Phantom tune

bnj · 10-03-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

V2 is much more than just adding power:

- enhanced safety functions

Eugen

What do you mean by those?

e.n335 · 10-03-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwzimmer

BTW

Does this mean you got something in the mail??

BoostedBMW · 10-03-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bnj

Does it have V2 only? No other mods at all?

That is WalkedU's car... you can check out the thread here...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83626

He has V2, exhaust, FMIC, and catless downpipes. With that said though, when he put his stock downpipes back in the car he didn't loose too much power (only a few whp and about 20wtq if I remember correctly).

bnj · 10-03-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

That is WalkedU's car... you can check out the thread here...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83626

He has V2, exhaust, FMIC, and catless downpipes. With that said though, when he put his stock downpipes back in the car he didn't loose too much power (only a few whp and about 20wtq if I remember correctly).

I see it is that one. He had a custom tune specifically for his car as well if I remember correctly. Not only V2 then. Good performance though.

e.n335 · 10-03-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bnj

What do you mean by those?

The way Shiv implemented monitoring engine load conditions respecting the operating environment.

- Eugen

OpenFlash · 10-03-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

That is WalkedU's car... you can check out the thread here...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83626

He has V2, exhaust, FMIC, and catless downpipes. With that said though, when he put his stock downpipes back in the car he didn't loose too much power (only a few whp and about 20wtq if I remember correctly).

FWIW, Walked U's car put down 360whp on our dyno a few weeks back. Since then, he put back on the factory downpipes/cats and re-dyno'd. He actually dyno'd at 378whp with the factory downpipes. Different dynos (but both Dynojets). Both STD corrected. The latter dyno was after a week or so of driving (and adaptation). I don't think the DPs had much, if any, effect on power.

Shiv

bnj · 10-03-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

As that post says, those results were with a beta map running 93oct (mixed our 91oct with 100oct). First release maps will have more conservative temp compensations (ie, it will pull back timing and drop boost when conditions are especially bad, like on a dyno). After seeing the way a lot of shops dyno cars (no cooldown runs and tiny desktop fans for coolings), I had no choice but to play it safe. But on the road, which reasonable cooling at speed, it will behave like the beta map. Which is strong.

Shiv

I see. Sorry to hear that. Let's hope it shows better gains in acceleration.

OpenFlash · 10-03-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bnj

I see it is that one. He had a custom tune specifically for his car as well if I remember correctly. Not only V2 then. Good performance though.

With the exception of a couple of things that will make no difference to power output, his custom tune = baseline v2 map.

shiv

bnj · 10-03-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

With the exception of a couple of things that will make no difference to power output, his custom tune = baseline v2 map.

shiv

Thanks for the info. Good to know. Were the adjustments mainly because of the exhaust/DPs or IC? Should we use that V2 map if we have full exhaust and IC?

Cornhusker · 10-03-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

FWIW, Walked U's car put down 360whp on our dyno a few weeks back. Since then, he put back on the factory downpipes/cats and re-dyno'd. He actually dyno'd at 378whp with the factory downpipes. Different dynos (but both Dynojets). Both STD corrected. The latter dyno was after a week or so of driving (and adaptation). I don't think the DPs had much, if any, effect on power.

Shiv

When I get mine, I will drive it hard for a couple weeks before going back to the same dyno I dynoed 319whp on.

Remember me shiv? I was the guy who drove 800 miles for the bouder dyno day with the snow tires? Paid cash? Driving 800 miles automatically moves me to the front of the line....FYI

jcarlucci1 · 10-03-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwzimmer

It sure is a great deal for $150 to be able to absolutely smoke any Procede V1.4X / AA Xede / JB2 / TT car by 3-6 car lengths.

And of course Hang With M5's that trap 114 - 117 mph

You've lost your mind if you think v2 is adding 3-6 car lengths over a jb/xede/1.47..yeah maybe over about 3 miles..

per · 10-03-2007, 02:05 PM

Shiw If you use the one/off switch on V2, is it a posibility that it will take 2-3 days for the Ecu to adapt everytime you use it?

turbocoins · 10-03-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

You've lost your mind if you think v2 is adding 3-6 car lengths over a jb/xede/1.47..yeah maybe over about 3 miles..

I agree totally, but I think the point is that v2 is the major contributing factor that allows WalkedU's car to hang with M5s.

bnj · 10-03-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by per

Shiw If you use the one/off switch on V2, is it a posibility that it will take 2-3 days for the Ecu to adapt everytime you use it?

Good question. I think the adaptation gets immaterial after a couple of dyno runs already. Still, it is better to adjust the valet mode trigger so that it never activates

OpenFlash · 10-03-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by per

Shiw If you use the one/off switch on V2, is it a posibility that it will take 2-3 days for the Ecu to adapt everytime you use it?

Nope. The adaptation is done by the stock ECU. Not the PROcede.

Shiv

sajakh · 10-03-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

As that post says, those results were with a beta map running 93oct (mixed our 91oct with 100oct). First release maps will have more conservative temp compensations (ie, it will pull back timing and drop boost when conditions are especially bad, like on a dyno). After seeing the way a lot of shops dyno cars (no cooldown runs and tiny desktop fans for coolings), I had no choice but to play it safe. But on the road, which reasonable cooling at speed, it will behave like the beta map. Which is strong.

Shiv

So Shiv I assume the dyno curves are very similar to what you had posted a few months ago but the numbers may vary based on cooling, octane, adaptation, etc?

Also can you (or the forgotten/?missing beta testers) comment on how does the initial power feel, ie turbo lag? Thanks.

Walked U · 10-03-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

FWIW, Walked U's car put down 360whp on our dyno a few weeks back. Since then, he put back on the factory downpipes/cats and re-dyno'd. He actually dyno'd at 378whp with the factory downpipes. Different dynos (but both Dynojets). Both STD corrected. The latter dyno was after a week or so of driving (and adaptation). I don't think the DPs had much, if any, effect on power.

Shiv

Yup shiv is right.

I dynoed 378 rwhp with the stock DP's and 91 octane, I just wanted to see what the difference was for myself. (so far its just spool and maybe a 10 wtq diff from removing the cats)

My tq carries till very late 5k rpm range almost to 6k before it starts to decline a bit. But never does it go below stock numbers.

The adaption is huge, like I said before give it a couple hundred (if less) miles for your car to adapted and you will feel a big difference.

Ill redyno again with high flows and 91 octane, whenever my DP's are done. Maybe it will break the 380's maybe not? I still need to get an intake system, or filter

.

stressdoc · 10-03-2007, 02:27 PM

Eugen take a drive over to Munich and open your baby up on the 8 and 95. How fast is the 335 unlimited?

bnj · 10-03-2007, 02:30 PM

That would be nice to know

Walked U · 10-03-2007, 02:31 PM

For a car thats turbos are starting to max out in power. Octane / race maps and tunning will be the next step in power other than actually upgrading the turbos themselves.

bmwzimmer · 10-03-2007, 02:42 PM

Here are the cars Mods for the video

E90 mods : Procede v2, custom tune, Custom dp, custom exhaust, no cats, custom FMIC, custom oil cooler upgrade.

E92 mods : Procede v1, RD sport exhaust, light weight wheels.

The video is from 40-140mph and there is at least a 3 CL difference.
Of course from 0-60 or even the quarter mile, you are only looking at probably 2CL difference but we're talking about the video.

Walked U · 10-03-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwzimmer

Here are the cars Mods for the video

E90 mods : Procede v2, custom tune, Custom dp, custom exhaust, no cats, custom FMIC, custom oil cooler upgrade.

E92 mods : Procede v1, RD sport exhaust, light weight wheels.

The video is from 40-140mph and there is at least a 3 CL difference.
Of course from 0-60 or even the quarter mile, you are only looking at probably 2CL difference but we're talking about the video.

Well im hanging out with jon tonight ill get him to tape from his car so you can see how much of a difference it is.

I asked him how much it was and he said about 3-4 CL's same with oc335i, from a 40-120/130.

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