Helix Attaché DME Tuner Dyno Results

e.n335 · 11-01-2007, 01:45 AM

The worst thing in business you can do is to don't fulfil the customer's expectations. So we will see how the different companies behave.

The PROcede has a large customer base already, the product is reliable. Vishnu should deliver in time and what they have promised ( large scale of available maps, O2 wideband support, etc. ). Even if it would be common to delay in the tuning market, new customers will stay away and buy products from companies who behave how they are used to. There are no things like different marketing rules for tuning companies.

Here we are looking at a completely new product which looks good and it will turn out whether it is better or worse than the competition. However, it's good to see a new product and a new competitor.

BTW, I am happy with the PROcede V2.

- Eugen

jcarlucci1 · 11-01-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sambonator

A little birdie told me about this... I wonder if any tuners use this?

http://www.perfectpower.com/products/piggyback.asp

Looks promising... but if Helix is generations past SMT6 does it make it an SMT7 or maybe SMT8?

and they're only $400! Too bad I have no idea how to tune one

BoostedBMW · 11-01-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

and they're only $400! Too bad I have no idea how to tune one

Keep in mind that a full tune at any half-assed tuning shop will run you at least 400 bucks, but if someone is looking to tune their own car then maybe they have found something here.

TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management · 11-01-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

Keep in mind that a full tune at any half-assed tuning shop will run you at least 400 bucks, but if someone is looking to tune their own car then maybe they have found something here.

as i said above it would take 2-3 SMT-6's to tune a 335i and you would not have as much control as one of our units. I am dealer for their products if I could have gotten away with simply using a 6 I would have done that, I have tuned 100's of them.

jcarlucci1 · 11-01-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

+1 will this be able to be tuned by someone local, and will you be making any higher output maps?

Still need an answer on this..

Alex@Helix · 11-02-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

Still need an answer on this..

Sorry for the delayed responses. We've been at SEMA. Eric isn't getting back home until late this weekend, so he will answer as soon as he can.

SfValley335i · 11-02-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

+1 will this be able to be tuned by someone local, and will you be making any higher output maps?

This was answered in the first few posts....

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Originally Posted by TTurboBullett

at first the unit will be restricted to our tune maps, but i want to make a tune library for all sorts of mod levels so end users can chose the maps they'd like. this unit can store 2 maps that can be changed on the fly with a toggle switch. as far as install its similar to other Piggybacks(male and female pins) although we are interfacing with more wires than some of the other offerings.

jcarlucci1 · 11-02-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SfValley335i

This was answered in the first few posts....

That still doesn't really answer..I realize they will make maps for certain mod levels, but I want to know if someone local can custom tune it; and if they will have maps with higher boost levels than 13 psi...

SfValley335i · 11-02-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

That still doesn't really answer..I realize they will make maps for certain mod levels, but I want to know if someone local can custom tune it; and if they will have maps with higher boost levels than 13 psi...

no they wont let you tune it yourself, but they will be creating maps for different mods/setups. I'm not sure about the 13psi question...

FinInk · 11-02-2007, 05:28 PM

BMW scene needs a hondata of tuning damn it! lol.

Still in comparison to others out so far, this looks great. I'll be waiting to see the real life testimonies.

TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management · 11-02-2007, 09:25 PM

just ran the car right off the street it ran 12.83@109.29, this is just w the tune and pump gas on street tires and totally stock exhaust. Happy with this pump gas baseline, on the way back i put in 2 gallons of 103 octane. Right before i was set to go a turbo regal blew a head gasket and doused the track with coolant. After a long interim i ran the car again and spun the hell out of the tires on the way to a 13.2@111.1. Getting ready to run again shortly : )
needless to say I am more than happy with the real world performance as it matches up perfectly to the dyno results.

BoostedBMW · 11-02-2007, 10:03 PM

^Nice run with the 12.8!!

This tune looks very promising.

TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management · 11-02-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

^Nice run with the 12.8!!

This tune looks very promising.

thanks, last run of the night the race gas kicked in melting off the tires to the tune of 13.51@113.03. I wasn't expecting much as far as ET's were concerned(due to a poorly prepped and cold track and street tires) but I'm happy w the traps! has anyone run 113mph before this?

TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management · 11-02-2007, 11:45 PM

here are the slips as you can see the 60 fts got progressivly worse.

I need to try some drag radials! But damn +26mph on the last 1/8th mile she was pulling pretty damn good~!
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PresaMat · 11-03-2007, 12:55 AM

TTBullet,
Very nice MPH!! Especially with a 2.4 60ft time. Once you get some good traction that thing is going to be crazy. Does your piggyback require a ras gas map or can you just use race gas with the stock map?

You replied earlier about launch control but im a newb when it comes to turbos... can you explain a little more why you dont know if it will be a good idea? Thanks! Cant wait till this hits the market.

MAURYL · 11-03-2007, 12:56 AM

A 113 is awesome!!

LODOSS · 11-03-2007, 12:57 AM

I understand some dynos read lower than the others.. but if one dyno says 280 tq, and then another dyno says 280tq.. shouldn't the HP be fairly close to each other?

jcarlucci1 · 11-03-2007, 01:03 AM

when are you guys releasing this??

zenmaster · 11-03-2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TTurboBullett

has anyone run 113mph before this?

No. New record! Congrats!

judec · 11-03-2007, 07:14 AM

interesting. as soon as your car gets some traction it pulls like crazy. Really impressive. Get some drag radials and let's see what U can do with those 12.4-12.6 times of JB2 guys <evil grin>

And release the stuff asap, to have enough $$ for those tires

HyperM3 · 11-03-2007, 08:15 AM

High trap speed on street tires means youre putting out some really good power. Nevermind the time, thats extremely impressive.

TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management · 11-03-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

when are you guys releasing this??

we are making up 4 units for local users next week

the tune used is the same tune we will load on customers cars, it adapted to a mix of 93 and 103 octane very well(approx 96 octane mix). I am supposed to be getting some RR downpipes in the near future and will make a custom tune map for those. with traction, good intercooling and non restrictive intake and exhausts I dont see why these cars cant run 11's @115+mph on stock turbos!

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e.n335 Moderator 279 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	The worst thing in business you can do is to don't fulfil the customer's expectations. So we will see how the different companies behave. The PROcede has a large customer base already, the product is reliable. Vishnu should deliver in time and what they have promised ( large scale of available maps, O2 wideband support, etc. ). Even if it would be common to delay in the tuning market, new customers will stay away and buy products from companies who behave how they are used to. There are no things like different marketing rules for tuning companies. Here we are looking at a completely new product which looks good and it will turn out whether it is better or worse than the competition. However, it's good to see a new product and a new competitor. BTW, I am happy with the PROcede V2. - Eugen Last edited by e.n335; 11-01-2007 at 02:20 AM..
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FinInk Second Lieutenant 11 Rep 291 Posts Drives: 2000 Celica, Wanting 335i Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fresno iTrader: (0)	BMW scene needs a hondata of tuning damn it! lol. Still in comparison to others out so far, this looks great. I'll be waiting to see the real life testimonies.
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TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management Major 82 Rep 1,283 Posts Drives: 2012 Abarth 500 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (3)	at atco posting from the I-phone! just ran the car right off the street it ran 12.83@109.29, this is just w the tune and pump gas on street tires and totally stock exhaust. Happy with this pump gas baseline, on the way back i put in 2 gallons of 103 octane. Right before i was set to go a turbo regal blew a head gasket and doused the track with coolant. After a long interim i ran the car again and spun the hell out of the tires on the way to a 13.2@111.1. Getting ready to run again shortly : ) needless to say I am more than happy with the real world performance as it matches up perfectly to the dyno results. Last edited by TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management; 11-02-2007 at 11:46 PM..
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BoostedBMW Moderator 134 Rep 6,775 Posts Drives: TiAg E92 335 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Raleigh, NC iTrader: (14) Garage List 2003 S2000 [0.00]	^Nice run with the 12.8!! This tune looks very promising. __________________ -Michael. Berlina Black S2000 CR is now in the garage l 19" Rial Daytona Race l KW V2 l Eisenhaus Race Exhaust l
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TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management Major 82 Rep 1,283 Posts Drives: 2012 Abarth 500 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (3)	slips here are the slips as you can see the 60 fts got progressivly worse. I need to try some drag radials! But damn +26mph on the last 1/8th mile she was pulling pretty damn good~! [IMG][/IMG] Last edited by TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management; 11-03-2007 at 11:14 AM..
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PresaMat Major 35 Rep 1,169 Posts Drives: 67 GT500,69 Boss 429, 335i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Houston,TX iTrader: (0) Garage List 1967 Shelby Mustang ... [0.00]	TTBullet, Very nice MPH!! Especially with a 2.4 60ft time. Once you get some good traction that thing is going to be crazy. Does your piggyback require a ras gas map or can you just use race gas with the stock map? You replied earlier about launch control but im a newb when it comes to turbos... can you explain a little more why you dont know if it will be a good idea? Thanks! Cant wait till this hits the market. __________________ -Mat Tuned E92 335, Riss Racing downpipes! And hopefully over 400RWHP!!
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MAURYL Road Racer 2 Rep 29 Posts Drives: 335i 6MT Silver Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Socal iTrader: (0)	A 113 is awesome!!
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LODOSS First Lieutenant 5 Rep 306 Posts Drives: AW 335 E92 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: VA iTrader: (1)	I understand some dynos read lower than the others.. but if one dyno says 280 tq, and then another dyno says 280tq.. shouldn't the HP be fairly close to each other?
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jcarlucci1 Lieutenant Colonel 70 Rep 1,642 Posts Drives: Jet Black 335i Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tampa iTrader: (10)	when are you guys releasing this??
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judec born to be turbocharged 24 Rep 1,347 Posts Drives: Not a bimmer yet Join Date: May 2007 Location: Slovakia iTrader: (0)	interesting. as soon as your car gets some traction it pulls like crazy. Really impressive. Get some drag radials and let's see what U can do with those 12.4-12.6 times of JB2 guys <evil grin> And release the stuff asap, to have enough $$ for those tires __________________ Disclaimer: All this message was written with recycled electrons.
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