[slick101]

Originally Posted by Boostin335

easy jb2


cheaper and bigger gains.


No CEL, SES, or other problems with the Jb2, and its a snap to install and remove.

Originally Posted by fotios330i

jb2 is stronger.Ive had both.

i'm not trying to start a war but i dont agree with u guys saying the jbs2 is stronger or faster and has bigger gains over the sstt.... i have the SSTT and absolutely love it... sure i paid more money but i love the fact that it only takes me 40 seconds to uninstall/install it.. and i'm not lying....

power/performance:-

i have the coupe and i've raced 2 people with jbs2 both the coupe and the sedan( videos available) ... with the sedan i was dead even till 80 mph( we didnt have the space to go above 80mph) and with the coupe we hit 140 twice with a win going to each of us...i didnt win by much but neither did he...

to the OP..... it all comes down to money and practicality...my advice - if ur a guy who doesn't go to the dealer get the work done, the jbs2 would be a better choice... but if u would like to get all the work done to ur car and not run a risk of voidning ur warranty , get the SSTT....

dont worry about the service or power... they are both the same and excellent...

[ADHD]

i have a jb2 for sale 325$ hit me up if u want it!

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by ADHD

i have a jb2 for sale 325$ hit me up if u want it!

You going back to PROcede v2 Charlie?


FWIW, to the OP.
If you want good cheap power go with the JB2, it seems to put out more hp up top and can basically run even with a PROcede v1.47 car from 3500 rpms on up.
The Turbo Tuner probably has a bit more low to mid range torque, but doesn't quite have the pull of the JB2 up top.
A PROcede v1.47 car can pretty easily pull on a Turbo Tuner car.

However, if you want a decent power gain, and the ease of removal is important to you, the Turbo Tuner is a great mod and no doubt the easiest to put on and take off.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by vbb

From a roll or from a dig? Almost all of the timeslips I've seen have them about equal. I think there are a bunch of videos up somewhere on here or youtube showing them running about even on an airstrip as well.

V2.02, no question, it's much faster than the SSTT. Maybe even V1.48 will be faster as well. But V1.47 is right in the ballpark from what I've seen.

I along with AB Tek 818 were the first people to test the PROcede vs. Turbo Tuner way back in the beginning of this year when they first came out.
I also videotaped it, you can see it on Streetfire.net

He had the Turbo Tuner in his manual Coupe, I had the PROcede v1.2 in my auto sedan.
We each had a passenger in our cars, not only did me and my passenger's weight equal a bit more than his, the auto sedan is 35 lbs heavier than the manual coupe. Plus I had a couple gallons more gas in my car.

My car was probably 60+ lbs heavier in total.

From a roll, I could pull on him each and every time.
Even on the first run when he jumped me, I reeled him in and passed.
When we took off at the same time, I'd pull 2-2.5 CL's on him each and every time from 40-120 mph. Sure most feel (me included) the auto is a bit faster than the manual, but the added weight I had would of offset most of that.
And that was on the less powerful v1.2 PROcede, (when Shiv updated to v1.4 it added about 4 rwhp and 8 rwtq) so the difference would be more now.

Also, I went to LACR a few times when there were both PROcede cars and Turbo Tuner cars there.
The PROcede cars were always a tenth or two faster and had trap speeds about 1 to 1.5 mph faster.

True, whenever you are dealing with .2 seconds and 1-1.5 mph difference it's a driver's race. Plus the variables between each car can make the difference too.
But on every dyno I've seen the PROcede makes more hp and tq.
In the rolling races I've done, the PROcede will pull on a TT car.
And at each of the drag strip events I went to where there was both a PROcede and TT car, the PROcede cars always had slightly faster times.

They are close, to be sure, but if all else being equal, a v1.47 PROcede car will pull a bit on a TT car in my experience.

["07"BobbyBimmer]

Originally Posted by Leesi

Some BMW dealers sell Piggyback?!
Does it mean if I buy it from them, they know I have piggyback in my car? Are they going to flag me so that all dealers on US soil notice? or, I have the convenience for not plugging it out if I drop in my car to that particular dealer?

SSTT is NOT a piggyback.

[hotrod182]

I raced a TTuner coupe at German Invasion. LACR. It was close. Would love to run against one now with the JB2 installed.

[5soko]

i would guess the v1.47 would have been able to pull on the SSTT just from the dyno numbers.
but when i seen your race driver72,(good video btw) it looked actually close most of the time. but u can see where the auto took advantage. especially from the digs.
imo, if the SSTT driver can drive better he might take the v1.47 but everything being equal like said, the v.147 with the more power it has may edge it out. but by no means a blow out i think.
i mean jb2 owners have raced v1.47 right? and there pretty close, and being that the jb2 is neck and neck with a SSTT makes things interesting.

but there not products to compare. there for different target markets.especially since v2 is out. it makes much more power than the SSTT.
but people with the PROcede want exactly that, alot of power.
the SSTT is a moderate power gain with a easy install/uninstall.for people who dont wanna go power crazy and dont wanna brake into there ecu fiddling with wires.

non the less both great products for there repective positions and tasks.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

i would guess the v1.47 would have been able to pull on the SSTT just from the dyno numbers.
but when i seen your race driver72,(good video btw) it looked actually close most of the time. but u can see where the auto took advantage. especially from the digs.
imo, if the SSTT driver can drive better he might take the v1.47 but everything being equal like said, the v.147 with the more power it has may edge it out. but by no means a blow out i think.
i mean jb2 owners have raced v1.47 right? and there pretty close, and being that the jb2 is neck and neck with a SSTT makes things interesting.

but there not products to compare. there for different target markets.especially since v2 is out. it makes much more power than the SSTT.
but people with the PROcede want exactly that, alot of power.
the SSTT is a moderate power gain with a easy install/uninstall.for people who dont wanna go power crazy and dont wanna brake into there ecu fiddling with wires.

non the less both great products for there repective positions and tasks.

Close most of the time? Not quite. But you are right it's not a "blow out".
You can see I pulled 2-2.5 CL on him every race. And my buddy that was filming didn't post up all the runs.
There were 2-3 other runs from a 2nd or 3rd gear roll with the same results.
The only race that was "close" was the first when he jumped me and pulled in front by 1 CL right away.
But you can clearly see me reel him in and was passing when the video was shut off. It's MUCH harder to reel someone in that got the jump too.
If you are even within 10 rwhp of someone who got a jump, you won't catch him. So you clearly see the extra power of the PROcede. Just having an auto would not of done that, especially since I was carrying an extra 60 lbs.

And btw, the last video that was taken from the side of the road (the 1st gear roll).
I had a passenger in my car, he was alone, so I had about 150-160 more lbs in my car in that run than him, and I still won by 3/4 CL.

Again, the Turbo Tuner is a nice tune, and offers the ease of VERY quick removal and so forth, but unless the v1.47 car is not running the greatest (not very strong) and the TT car is exceptional strong, the TT car will not win.

I've have also ran ran a JB2 car that has been known to be quite strong and we ran side by side.
We were both autos, both had same wheels and tires, and both with basically identical weight in car.
I still don't think I've seen ANY other v1.47 vs JB2 only cars (meaning no other power mods) run so it's really hard to say conclusively, but the JB2 seems to pull just as hard above 4000 rpms as the v1.47, where I would pull away on the TT.
In a race starting at 1500 rpms, I'm sure the v1.47 car would pull ahead with it's extra 30 rwtq, but that's a test nobody has done either.

Take care.

[5soko]

i agree i just looked at some 1/4 times and most SSTT are keeping up no problem.

[NINEZeRO]

newb here, can someone answer some of my questions regarding the SSTT?

1. Exactly how easy is the installation? I saw the video for the Procede and thought it would be quiet cumbersome to do every time I needed to visit the dealer service. Is there a instruction video, audio or print anywhere?

2. Will adding downpipes with the SSTT increase power just as much as adding either mod separately and adding the gains (ie 30 hp from SSTT and 30 hp from DP = 60 hp gain from both mods installed together)? Or will there be some loss of gains due to incompatibility of the two mods.

3. How much power gain can I expect from a combination of SSTT, DP, and the Eisenmann full catback exahust (sections I, II, III)?

[5soko]

here is some more info for you. along inside this is the DIY which u can read about to see how easy the install is like vbb said.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...03&postcount=1

dyno with SSTT catback exhaust and FMIC.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=sstt+dyno
70whp and 60wftlb gain. this is on a fully adapted SSTT.
with DP i would suspect not alot more power but a better looking power graph, as what the FMIC. didnt add alot of power but held the power longer and of course would not heat soak as fast.
imo the FMIC and catback exhaust adds minimal horsepower as show on the graph. the sstt alone added about 50whp on its own.!!!

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

i agree i just looked at some 1/4 times and most SSTT are keeping up no problem.

I don't doubt at a 1/4 mile track that some SSTT won't have times very similiar to v1.47 times.
But there's an aweful lot of variables to take into consideration when comparing times of different tracks on different days.

Look at SSTT times from the same track on the same day.
In my experience they were a bit slower.

OR, if you prefer, meet up with someone with a PROcede v1.47 who has the same mods as you do with a SSTT (and same transmission) and do some runs.
I think you'll see the v1.47 car will pull a bit each time.

[AltecBX]

Terry, 5sokol355, or Jeff can you please let me know if the SSTT require an oil cooler or not? I have the 335xi, and don't have it installed. This will make me decide if the SSTT is for me, as I don't want to waste another few hundreds dollars for an oil re-retrofit.

Thanks

[hotrod182]

Last night I drove the 08 on a 40 mile trip in 68F temps. On the FWY it was running about 230F-240F. The same or maybe a little hotter than my 07 does without the oil cooler. Maybe temps are about the same (oil thermostat?) till you really drive the car hard. Later I jumped into my 06 SMG M3. It felt so much faster, more responsive, and more planted than the new 335i. Kind of funny because with the JB2 and 19" tires/wheels, I have barely driven my M3 in months.

335i JB2 > M3 Stock > 335i Stock.

And like I said, it is hard to go from a faster car to a slower car. You get addicted to the power. In all honesty, the 08 335i only has 770 miles on it, so it is still being broken in. And it hasn't been broken in nearly as hard as my 07, if that makes a difference.