[MisterF80M3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Not at all. I'm pro-2A! While there aren't many people with CCW's in LA County, there are tons in San Bernardino/Orange/San Diego/Kern counties. I ran across them much more with the California Highway Patrol than I do now that I'm with the Sheriff's Department.

How do they let you know they have a CCW? Do they usually hand you their CCW license along with their driver's license and registration?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

How do they let you know they have a CCW? Do they usually hand you their CCW license along with their driver's license and registration?

Most CCW permit holders are pretty good when it comes to interactions with law enforcement. They roll down all windows, turn on the interior lights at night, roll down all windows and keep their hands on the steering wheel. They usually have their driver's license, vehicle insurance and CCW in their hand. By the time I get to the window they have everything prepared. They advise me of their valid CCW and where the firearm is located. If it's on their person, sometimes I don't bother pulling them out of the car. Other times I will pull them out of the vehicle, remove their weapon and check the serial numbers to ensure they match. I holster it back up and continue on with my contact.

[Dang3r]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Most CCW permit holders are pretty good when it comes to interactions with law enforcement. They roll down all windows, turn on the interior lights at night, roll down all windows and keep their hands on the steering wheel. They usually have their driver's license, vehicle insurance and CCW in their hand. By the time I get to the window they have everything prepared. They advise me of their valid CCW and where the firearm is located. If it's on their person, sometimes I don't bother pulling them out of the car. Other times I will pull them out of the vehicle, remove their weapon and check the serial numbers to ensure they match. I holster it back up and continue on with my contact.

So from your told point of view its more clever to let the cop know from the beginning, that Im (legally) armed?
Or just show the complete papers and let him determine by the CCW license?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Dang3r

So from your told point of view its more clever to let the cop know from the beginning, that Im (legally) armed?
Or just show the complete papers and let him determine by the CCW license?

Well both. They have the documentation and they tell me they are armed. They also tell me where the firearm is located.

[vreihen16]

In New York State, we are not legally compelled to inform law enforcement that we are carrying CCW unless specifically asked. There is a surprisingly large sentiment among CCW holders that they should not volunteer this information. My thought is to always hand over my CCW with my driver's license, even if I'm not carrying at the time. The vetting process to get an unrestricted CCW in New York State is insane, and merely having the card is a pretty good indicator that the holder is not a huge threat to the officer.

If I were writing the police license/warrant search computer system, you can bet that I would have it pop up in big, red, flashing letters that a person had a CCW per the state's database. Don't know if their real-life system does this, but it seems like only bad things can happen if an officer finds out from the computer and not during their initial contact. Plus, if you don't inform, they ask you to get out of the car, and discover your CCW, you will probably wind up at the business end of about six officer's service weapons within 30 seconds of a call for backup.

The way that I see it, nothing good can come from not voluntarily informing the officer of your CCW.....

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

In New York State, we are not legally compelled to inform law enforcement that we are carrying CCW unless specifically asked. There is a surprisingly large sentiment among CCW holders that they should not volunteer this information. My thought is to always hand over my CCW with my driver's license, even if I'm not carrying at the time. The vetting process to get an unrestricted CCW in New York State is insane, and merely having the card is a pretty good indicator that the holder is not a huge threat to the officer.

If I were writing the police license/warrant search computer system, you can bet that I would have it pop up in big, red, flashing letters that a person had a CCW per the state's database. Don't know if their real-life system does this, but it seems like only bad things can happen if an officer finds out from the computer and not during their initial contact. Plus, if you don't inform, they ask you to get out of the car, and discover your CCW, you will probably wind up at the business end of about six officer's service weapons within 30 seconds of a call for backup.

The way that I see it, nothing good can come from not voluntarily informing the officer of your CCW.....

100% agree. I find it really stupid not to tell an officer you are carrying, ESPECIALLY considering we can (...and often do) pull people out of the car for no reason at all to pat search for weapons. Finding a gun on someone who didn't disclose it is going to result in that person having a bad day. At the very least they will be detained in cuffs in the back of a patrol car pending investigation. At worse, that person will have guns aimed in their direction. It really is stupid CCW culture to hold a position of withholding information from law enforcement.

California residents aren't compelled to disclose, but they are recommended to do so. I pat search for weapons much of the time......and often at random. People need to realize an officer needs no justification at all to pull people out of vehicles to pat search for weapons. If I find a gun on somebody legally able to carry and who didn't disclose, I'm going to be pissed. I will have a mouthful of shit to say. It's a stupid way to put yourself in a position to get shot.

[wcr3d]

How do you feel about out of state concealed carry permits?
I understand that they are not recognized state to state but how does the “typical “ officer handle such an encounter?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by wcr3d

How do you feel about out of state concealed carry permits?
I understand that they are not recognized state to state but how does the "typical " officer handle such an encounter?

I wouldn't recommend carrying. While I personally think we need reciprocity, carrying here without a permit will land you in jail (...and your gun will become evidence in the case against you). It's just not worth it.

[wcr3d]

I understand that but I also feel that is the time to carry the most.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by wcr3d

I understand that but I also feel that is the time to carry the most.

I'm not arguing the spirit behind it. Conceal carry for law abiding citizens should be granted in every state without all of the legal hoops. I just don't think it's worth risking your freedom (...and picking up a misdemeanor or felony weapons charge) should you decide to visit the state.

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by Dang3r

So from your told point of view its more clever to let the cop know from the beginning, that Im (legally) armed?
Or just show the complete papers and let him determine by the CCW license?

In Ohio it is the law that whether you are carrying or not if you have a CCW you need to disclose that info to the officer at earliest possible moment.

[wcr3d]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'm not arguing the spirit behind it. Conceal carry for law abiding citizens should be granted in every state without all of the legal hoops. I just don't think it's worth risking your freedom (...and picking up a misdemeanor or felony weapons charge) should you decide to visit the state.

As I said I understand, just needed to vent I guess.
We should either reciprocate or create a national permit.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by wcr3d

As I said I understand, just needed to vent I guess.
We should either reciprocate or create a national SHALL ISSUE permit.

FTFY

I work in support of LEO, I've been backgrounded and watched all the time for violations, but my county sheriff won't issue me one. Even when I was nightly carrying cash from the little league snack bar, through some of the worst part of the county (for crime) and still, I couldn't get one.

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

FTFY

I work in support of LEO, I've been backgrounded and watched all the time for violations, but my county sheriff won't issue me one. Even when I was nightly carrying cash from the little league snack bar, through some of the worst part of the county (for crime) and still, I couldn't get one.

I wonder if you could file a lawsuit if there is no legitimate reason to deny you

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Smgs1992

I wonder if you could file a lawsuit if there is no legitimate reason to deny you

People have already done that. Some cases are still currently being fought in court.....such as the San Diego case; I believe it's Becerra v San Diego or Becerra v U.S.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

People have already done that. Some cases are still currently being fought in court.....such as the San Diego case; I believe it's Becerra v San Diego.

Current State Attorney General Becerra, I presume

Opps, read that wrong. Plaintiff comes first. Never mind

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Current State Attorney General Becerra, I presume

Opps, read that wrong. Plaintiff comes first. Never mind

I know there was the Peruta case as well. There are many.

P.S.I believe the Becerra case is over high capacity magazines.

[wcr3d]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

FTFY

I work in support of LEO, I've been backgrounded and watched all the time for violations, but my county sheriff won't issue me one. Even when I was nightly carrying cash from the little league snack bar, through some of the worst part of the county (for crime) and still, I couldn't get one.

I guess that is part of the problem, here they go through the state police.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by wcr3d

I guess that is part of the problem, here they go through the state police.

And while not in an "official" capacity, if they are having range days when I'm not working, I've been allowed to come out and burn off some steam, using their ammo

[wcr3d]

I would suggest you attend and burn up lots of their ammo, also use the sheriffs re-election posters as targets!

[premier3is]

Originally Posted by Smgs1992

Definitely no where crowded we have 3lane highways here that are pretty straight.
In the circumstances i’d assume no other cars or anyone to injure. I definitely have heard some horror stories about gnarly wrecks though.
Assuming theyre respectful and dont try to run. Also if they have their ccw and are carrying would that have any influence one way or another?

You realize there are plenty of other ways you can get into an accident even if the road is completely empty right?

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by premier3is

You realize there are plenty of other ways you can get into an accident even if the road is completely empty right?

Yes but the point is i would be solely endangering myself not others.