[JETmn]

Originally Posted by PURE135i

I have logs that show me not hitting target boost till 3800 where with BEF it was 3500. (this was stage 1 turbo) testing done in map 7.im sure you're right about the inlet its a big restriction for sure! I also i dont see any chance the stock intake will out perform the BMS with a stage 2 turbo id be willing to bet your 60-130 times are slower with stage 2 turbo// stock intake vs bms intake . i would also bet in a max boost scenario the car with bms intake hits target sooner in the rpm range on a dyno than same car on stock intake. cant wait to see what you find when you get the stage 2 on there

And I bet there won't be any difference. There are too many other bottlenecks for the intake to provide a noticeable increase in power. We'll see when he does the testing!

[junniior95]

what are the gains typically for the Pure Inlet Pipe? Debating on buying it but havnt really seen any gains on this, anyone?

[PURE135i]

Originally Posted by JETmn

And I bet there won't be any difference. There are too many other bottlenecks for the intake to provide a noticeable increase in power. We'll see when he does the testing!

we sure will. would be nice to see it on a dyno

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by PURE135i

we sure will. would be nice to see it on a dyno

Honestly i prefer consistent 60-130 over dyno numbers. I can do a dyno twice same mods and get 10whp difference.

Anyways the bms intake brings nice spool sound which adds to the experience but on slight throttle changes i find it to be a bit jerky. Also when engine is cold with the bms intake the car is overly sensitive to throtlle changes.

I can also do inlet testing. As i still have stock inlet till jesse sends me an upgraded one. I have already some perf tests with stage1 data in xls file. I will add stage2 data everyday.

[PURE135i]

yes good point. usually with meth injection though its right on the money. when i did my recent runs at EAS i stayed withing 3 whp each run. no meth im sure huge whp swings will happen from timing pulls due to IAT etc etc. yeah im interested in what you find. like i said i did inlet and intake at same time and what a difference in spool just hit much harder. could be all inlet

Originally Posted by Darkhold

Honestly i prefer consistent 60-130 over dyno numbers. I can do a dyno twice same mods and get 10whp difference.

Anyways the bms intake brings nice spool sound which adds to the experience but on slight throttle changes i find it to be a bit jerky. Also when engine is cold with the bms intake the car is overly sensitive to throtlle changes.

I can also do inlet testing. As i still have stock inlet till jesse sends me an upgraded one. I have already some perf tests with stage1 data in xls file. I will add stage2 data everyday.

[Jsoboti]

When reading "IAT" on JB4 logs, am I reading temperature before or after the intercooler?

[PURE135i]

Originally Posted by Jsoboti

When reading "IAT" on JB4 logs, am I reading temperature before or after the intercooler?

after, youre reading the air going into the motor on the logs

[Jsoboti]

Originally Posted by PURE135i

after, youre reading the air going into the motor on the logs

Much thanks

[trixdout]

Originally Posted by PURE135i

this is 1 solid pipe designed and tested by PURE. you will start seeing cheaper inlets that are using silicone couplers with flanges im sure. more prone to failure and not have smooth flow into the turbo.. suit yourself its a well crafted and engineered pipe. guys when i initially installed the turbo inlet and BMS intake i was blown away at how much "HARDER" or shall i say "quicker" the car spooled up on map 6.(this was when i was PURE stage 1) the stock intake def has restrictions and doesnt allow the upgraded turbos to fully breathe.think about the flow characteristics of the stock intake and BMS. the BMS is capable of flowing something like 40% more air than the stock setup so keep that in mind if going stage 2. IF you are running stage 2 turbo the PURE inlet/ BMS intake does make a very big BUTT dyno difference in spool up time. how much i dont know but it is noticeable and youre just leaving power on the table without the inlet/intake. my .002

You could sell them same pipe for <$200. It does not cost that much to make. Just because our cars demand a high $ when new, does not mean aftermarket manufacturers can put prices on a variety of products in the stratosphere.

[bfritzsch]

Originally Posted by trixdout

You could sell them same pipe for <$200. It does not cost that much to make. Just because our cars demand a high $ when new, does not mean aftermarket manufacturers can put prices on a variety of products in the stratosphere.

This is basic business. They have the only one right now, so people looking to upgrade this part will pay the money. The more versions that come out from other companies would most likely force them to lower their prices.

Also, who knows, it may cost them $200 to fabricate it. Unless you are willing to start making them for cheaper or have direct eyes into their books and what they need to get for them, I would think arguing or debating about price is kind of pointless.

[Pure Turbos]

We will be happy if another company offers a better pipe for less money. We do not want to fabricate turbo inlet pipes. Our time is better spent building turbos. We prefer to not fabricate turbo accessories. We are offering this pipe to enable our turbos to make the best power, because there's not another pipe solution available right now. We don't make much on these pipes. We fabricate them by hand in house. And our fabricator is slow.

Sure, someone may run to China and have these mass produced, then sell them for $100 each. For now, this pipe is a good "bang for the buck". Thanks

[DrRobert]

Originally Posted by trixdout

You could sell them same pipe for <$200. It does not cost that much to make. Just because our cars demand a high $ when new, does not mean aftermarket manufacturers can put prices on a variety of products in the stratosphere.

They can charge whatever they want to, and you can choose whether or not to buy one. I recently installed the Pure stage 1 turbo and it was a total no-brainer for me to install the new inlet pipe at the same time. I'm still fine tuning the engine tune for the new turbo but am very happy with the improvement in performance. The cost of the inlet pipe was a fraction of the cost of the turbo and the labor to install it. Of course there is no way for me to tell how much the inlet pipe helped since it was installed at the same time as the turbo, but I'd do the same thing again in a heartbeat. Thanks Pure!

[Dan_Q]

Originally Posted by trixdout

You could sell them same pipe for <$200. It does not cost that much to make. Just because our cars demand a high $ when new, does not mean aftermarket manufacturers can put prices on a variety of products in the stratosphere.

Good grief, they just came out with the damn thing. Engineering custom fabricated parts that work right the first time is expensive to do. Even more so if they're made in the USA. Once they sell a few hundred maybe you'll see the price come down. Or maybe you won't. I think most people are just happy that development of new hardware is still happening on our platform. Give them a break.

[rhm135]

Originally Posted by bfritzsch

This is basic business. They have the only one right now, so people looking to upgrade this part will pay the money. The more versions that come out from other companies would most likely force them to lower their prices.

Also, who knows, it may cost them $200 to fabricate it. Unless you are willing to start making them for cheaper or have direct eyes into their books and what they need to get for them, I would think arguing or debating about price is kind of pointless.

Originally Posted by Pure Turbos

We will be happy if another company offers a better pipe for less money. We do not want to fabricate turbo inlet pipes. Our time is better spent building turbos. We prefer to not fabricate turbo accessories. We are offering this pipe to enable our turbos to make the best power, because there's not another pipe solution available right now. We don't make much on these pipes. We fabricate them by hand in house. And our fabricator is slow.

Sure, someone may run to China and have these mass produced, then sell them for $100 each. For now, this pipe is a good "bang for the buck". Thanks

Originally Posted by DrRobert

They can charge whatever they want to, and you can choose whether or not to buy one. I recently installed the Pure stage 1 turbo and it was a total no-brainer for me to install the new inlet pipe at the same time. I'm still fine tuning the engine tune for the new turbo but am very happy with the improvement in performance. The cost of the inlet pipe was a fraction of the cost of the turbo and the labor to install it. Of course there is no way for me to tell how much the inlet pipe helped since it was installed at the same time as the turbo, but I'd do the same thing again in a heartbeat. Thanks Pure!

Originally Posted by Dan_Q

Good grief, they just came out with the damn thing. Engineering custom fabricated parts that work right the first time is expensive to do. Even more so if they're made in the USA. Once they sell a few hundred maybe you'll see the price come down. Or maybe you won't. I think most people are just happy that development of new hardware is still happening on our platform. Give them a break.

+100. Thanks to all for bringing along the development of this platform.

[loesch]

Originally Posted by Dan_Q

Good grief, they just came out with the damn thing. Engineering custom fabricated parts that work right the first time is expensive to do. Even more so if they're made in the USA. Once they sell a few hundred maybe you'll see the price come down. Or maybe you won't. I think most people are just happy that development of new hardware is still happening on our platform. Give them a break.

I agree. If you think this is expensive, look at some of the plumbing options for the N54 cars. Granted there's more involved but we're talking $1800 in some cases. Also look at the prices for charge pipes. Same relative fabrication effort. Same price for the most part.

[CantCatchMe]

If same to assume that the N54 achieved 90hp, then maybe with good tuning by some tuners we(N55 guys) could get half of that from this. Either way, gotta get this inlet pipe. Seems reasonable price wise compared to others out there.

[tke344]

Anyone know the OD on the turbo inlet, and the other end for that matter.. Thinking of building something custom.

[loesch]

Originally Posted by tke344

Anyone know the OD on the turbo inlet, and the other end for that matter.. Thinking of building something custom.

There is no easy way to get something around the outside of the turbo. The DV is on one side in the way and the outlet to the intercooler is on the other.

http://www.eurocarnews.com/media/pictorials/116/539.jpg

[tke344]

Damn, yeah not a chance.. Thanks

[g2BMW]

not sure why silicone is getting a bad rep. I've seen high hp turbo kits partly using silicone hoses, they can take all the pressure, heat and still provide good air flow. If someone got the OD's of both ends, custom silicone piping can be easily done.

[JETmn]

Originally Posted by g2BMW

not sure why silicone is getting a bad rep. I've seen high hp turbo kits partly using silicone hoses, they can take all the pressure, heat and still provide good air flow. If someone got the OD's of both ends, custom silicone piping can be easily done.

There is no OD on the turbo inlet, it is not round like a generic turbo. The pipe seals on the ID.

[tke344]

I'll try and look this weekend, I think the point Loesch was making is that there's nothing to attach silicone to. Based on the picture linked I'd tend to agree. Unless you slipped the silicone INTO the turbo housing. Not sure if that would seal very well.