Its official...the 335 has new competition...

quagmire · 03-29-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kev

As you said, the US domestic market is weighing GM down..... Why? They are bringing Australian vehicles here and branding them as domestics, why?

A) Globalizing their products( Pontiac=Holden, Saturn=Opel) which is cheaper then developing a car for each market.

B) Cheaper to bring a outside product under an existing brand then to kill the brand and bring in the outside brand.

GM is starting to get it. Their latest products are vastly improved and actually competes with the vehicles they are competing against. Yes, for the last 10-20 years GM has put out crap and they are rightfully so facing the consequences, but to remain closed minded when it is obvious that GM's products has improved is down right stupid.

Kev · 03-29-2008, 08:57 PM

I must be really down right stupid then. Not feeling any of the new GM line up from Cadillac to GMC.

quagmire · 03-29-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kev

I must be really down right stupid then. Not feeling any of the new GM line up from Cadillac to GMC.

If their vehicles aren't your taste that is all fine as everyone has different tastes. But, to bash them, give them no credit, etc is downright stupid.

Kev · 03-29-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by quagmire

If their vehicles aren't your taste that is all fine as everyone has different tastes. But, to bash them, give them no credit, etc is downright stupid.

I see. I think the 'vettes are awesome for their price point though.

radgator1 · 03-29-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpybear

**cough** ricer argument **cough** who gives a shit what the displacement of the motor is...all that matters is what it produces....

What do numbers with a 100 shot have to do with anything? 335i with a 75 shot is easy 11's in fact it can go 11's without the juice. And it is not competion, lots of crappy cars can go as fast/faster than a 335i when modded but its still a pig with lipstick on. Sorry this seems to offend you though

grumpybear · 03-29-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by radgator1

What do numbers with a 100 shot have to do with anything? 335i with a 75 shot is easy 11's in fact it can go 11's without the juice. And it is not competion, lots of crappy cars can go as fast/faster than a 335i when modded but its still a pig with lipstick on. Sorry this seems to offend you though

you don't know me very well, for someone/something to offend me would mean that I give a flying fuck about that someone or something...

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Originally Posted by AutoCouture

oh for the love of God, its a fucking sedan that runs a high 12, low 13 1/4. Our cars do this too....thats all the OP was trying to say. Get over yourselves, shit.

/rant

AdamJ · 03-29-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by quagmire

Too bad you're just an image snob.

Clearly you have never owned a pontiac.

The G8 is ass.

grumpybear · 03-29-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamJ

The G8 is ass.

and that opinion is based on your months of ownership of the G8??? Or you are just talking out of your ass??

AdamJ · 03-29-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpybear

and that opinion is based on your months of ownership of the G8??? Or you are just talking out of your ass??

I've had the "pleasure" of driving one. Was not impressed. Felt like a slightly improved Grand Prix.

Majikthese42 · 03-29-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kev

They are bringing Australian vehicles here and branding them as domestics, why?

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Made in Mexico:

Buick Rendezvous
Cadillac Escalade EXT & ESV
Chevrolet Avalanche
Chevrolet HHR
Chevrolet Silverado
Chevrolet Suburban
Chrysler PT Cruiser
Dodge Ram
Ford Fusion
GMC Sierra
Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ
Mercury Milan

OK, why?

Kev · 03-29-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Majikthese42

OK, why?

Why as in are they lacking any design capabilities in the US? Not questioning their manufacturing capacity.....

Year's_End · 03-29-2008, 10:14 PM

Let's face it, the American industry is going to continue to lose sales as long as ignorant people like "some" of the people here on this thread continue to see the US auto industry as it was ten years ago. Truth is, they've stepped up. A lot. Get your heads out of your asses please.

*Know that I'm referring to certain people.

r3amir · 03-29-2008, 11:14 PM

32K MSRP fully loaded is an awesome price for a rear wheel drive 6.0 Litre massive engine

mrad01 · 03-29-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by r3amir

32K MSRP fully loaded is an awesome price for a rear wheel drive 6.0 Litre massive engine

You don't know what you are in for. Again, Aussie car. We have been driving them for over 20 years now - they are like the Toyota Camry here in New Zealand.
They are cheap for a reason - they are CHEAP! They ALWAYS look great when Holden brings out a new model - then after a few months stuff starts rattling, then you get some squeaks. Then the front air dam unclips off the first time you scrap it. You don't know what you are in for....believe me...

Hey, when you see one for real, check out the fit and finish of the doors and boot. The left hand side gap for the bootlid will be 3mm and the right will be over 10mm.

Do you know what Holden's answer to being kicked by Jappas and 335s? Put in a 7.0L engine in next year's top end model. How brain dead is that?

It is a munter's car. End of story.

E(@M# · 03-29-2008, 11:33 PM

cough,cough....BMW fanbois prevail

Mattscott · 03-29-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mrad01

You don't know what you are in for. Again, Aussie car. We have been driving them for over 20 years now - they are like the Toyota Camry here in New Zealand.
They are cheap for a reason - they are CHEAP! They ALWAYS look great when Holden brings out a new model - then after a few months stuff starts rattling, then you get some squeaks. Then the front air dam unclips off the first time you scrap it. You don't know what you are in for....believe me...

Hey, when you see one for real, check out the fit and finish of the doors and boot. The left hand side gap for the bootlid will be 3mm and the right will be over 10mm.

Do you know what Holden's answer to being kicked by Jappas and 335s? Put in a 7.0L engine in next year's top end model. How brain dead is that?

It is a munter's car. End of story.

I read this with an accent.

But +1 with this guy!!

Craigito · 03-30-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattscott

I read this with an accent.

But +1 with this guy!!

I imagined Steve Irwin saying it all. Like I said in my other post, I really hope the interior fit/finish is way better. The interior on the Grand Am was borderline comical. I would actually wedge nickels in between the radio and surrounding dash trim to fill the gap so they wouldn't rub and constantly squeak. I know from the reviews i've read this isn't the case anymore, however, your paying 30k plus so of course that comes with a higher expectation of quality.

doku · 03-30-2008, 12:56 AM

Not a whole lot of US cars over here, but I just don't see many BMW drivers that would have a Pontiac in their driveway.

I'm not saying it's a bad car, I'm only saying that part of BMW is the image. Regardless of how nice a Pontiac gets, it will always feel a bit "low class" for me.

I might sound like a BMW snob, but I like pulling ladies with the badge. What kind of women hop in a Pontiac for the badge? Never mind,....I don't want to know.

mrad01 · 03-30-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Craigito

I imagined Steve Irwin saying it all.

Maybe a bit of education needed....completely wrong accent...

New Zealanders sound like Australians like....

Canadians sound like New Yorkers

Hope this helps you..

hellrotm · 03-30-2008, 02:56 AM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...deoId=20220025

Here is a Edmunds video review of the G8 GT and Charger R/T.

It says in the video the G8 basically has copied the 5-series suspension setup and pretty much matched the 535i handling numbers they recently tested.

Pontiac is going in the right direction.

Edmunds:
"Fast, nimble and comfortable, and an awesome value besides; Pontiac builds the poor man's 5 Series."

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Originally Posted by doku

Not a whole lot of US cars over here, but I just don't see many BMW drivers that would have a Pontiac in their driveway.

I'm not saying it's a bad car, I'm only saying that part of BMW is the image. Regardless of how nice a Pontiac gets, it will always feel a bit "low class" for me.

Exactly the majority of BMW owners are buying them for the badge(badge whores).

But there are owners like us forum members, that know exactly why we purchase the "ultimate driving machines".

Jonmartin · 03-30-2008, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Majikthese42

The BMW 3-series really isn't bad, for a Eurocar!

My daughter's Accord has, I think, one (1) motor in the front driver's seat. If you have 38, it's a good bet that at least one won't be working at any given time.

I like Eurocars because they're fun to drive, but I've never believed they were reliable or cheap to run. I can't say I'd look forward to driving a 10-year old Ford, but there are plenty of 10-year old BMWs that are still fun to drive.

Like everyone else here, of course I'm nuts.

I agree to what your saying, Just because one car has alot more electronics/technology to fail doesn't make it an Unreliable car just it has more things that cant break. But without all the electronic/gadgets it wouldn't be a luxury car brand therefore would be just like any other Toyota/Honda.

Terrance28 · 03-30-2008, 09:23 AM

I hate when people dismiss a car because its either american made or its not expensive, oh its a ford or chevy so its a pos. What a stupid statement. If you are a car enthusiast you will like a car thats impressive no matter where its built, you would simply like the car for what it was built for. And not because you drive a bmw makes every other car a pos.

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