[somer]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Man no xdrive 4000 lbs bullsht plz. MT is good, and the rumored DCT+S58 combo from GRMN Supra would be really nice.

any links to these rumors?

edit: found some, doesn't seem plausible at all.

[NotSharocks]

Originally Posted by somer

any links to these rumors?

edit: found some, doesn't seem plausible at all.

BMW will not put in an S58 into a Supra.

It ain't happening.

Also, DCT lol

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

Fairly certain that currently, BMW does NOT know its audience.

Oh, they certainly do. They are selling plenty of cars. Now, whether that audience includes people like us, is a different question.

The way I look at it, the era of pure ICE sports cars is closing, and 6MT has been niche for decades. ANYTHING we get from here forward is a precious bonus, and I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. BMW's gonna follow the money and I can hardly blame them for that.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Oh, they certainly do. They are selling plenty of cars. Now, whether that audience includes people like us, is a different question.

The way I look at it, the era of pure ICE sports cars is closing, and 6MT has been niche for decades. ANYTHING we get from here forward is a precious bonus, and I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. BMW's gonna follow the money and I can hardly blame them for that.

No they don’t, they have been losing sales for years and the cars look like crap and drive almost as bad. The only thing keeping them up is SUV sales. All they do now is marketing and the M cars and all their variants are just huge money grabs for minor changes that should be standard.

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Oh, they certainly do. They are selling plenty of cars. Now, whether that audience includes people like us, is a different question.

The way I look at it, the era of pure ICE sports cars is closing, and 6MT has been niche for decades. ANYTHING we get from here forward is a precious bonus, and I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. BMW's gonna follow the money and I can hardly blame them for that.

As long as BMW offers something w/ a RWD + MT for the enthusiasts I’m down. Dont care about the goofy design language. Stick a hybrid motor on if needed but if they stop that formula I don’t see a point in buying a BMW.

Again just my opinion. I guess I’m old school and not tethered to BMW if I can’t get a coupe/sedan w/ a MT & RWD.

I’ll buy used or head to Porsche.

[Sy546]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Is it crazy to get on a list? What’s the biggest M dealer (s) in the north east?

Lol probably too late already. My dealer is in CT. We have the first 3 M2 CS allocations. They expect a max of 3. We did that awhile ago. Also have the first 2 m5 tourings, but I don’t think those will be that hard to get.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by NotSharocks

BMW will not put in an S58 into a Supra.

It ain't happening.

Also, DCT lol

Agreed

[mrcheezle19]

Best color on this car so far.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

As long as BMW offers something w/ a RWD + MT for the enthusiasts I’m down. Dont care about the goofy design language. Stick a hybrid motor on if needed but if they stop that formula I don’t see a point in buying a BMW.

Again just my opinion. I guess I’m old school and not tethered to BMW if I can’t get a coupe/sedan w/ a MT & RWD.

I’ll buy used or head to Porsche.

Definitely. I still am driving an e90 as my daily, because I just like it so much. I'm adding the G87 now because the enthusiast era of 6MT is closing fast. There's no guarantee the G87 itself will retain the 6MT to LCI.

[Evinrude1975]

Originally Posted by F87 M2 CS

Irrelevant , but wow - sizewise

Omg… How did we get from the beauty to the beast?

[thebigcheese]

Originally Posted by Sy546

Lol probably too late already. My dealer is in CT. We have the first 3 M2 CS allocations. They expect a max of 3. We did that awhile ago. Also have the first 2 m5 tourings, but I don’t think those will be that hard to get.

So dealers will be getting more than 1?

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by somer

any links to these rumors?

edit: found some, doesn't seem plausible at all.

Well the conversation originally came up in 2019 from Toyota's chief engineer Tada Tetsuya who retired in January 2021 because he turned 63 (which is a mandatory retirement age) while his team was contemplating high performing Supra.
I'm pretty sure personnel from two companies are/were fighting back and forth for whether or not such combo should happen, because BMW wanted M-DCT gone for logistics and cost reasons. Toyota bringing it back because it is a better performer probably does not bode good image for BMW, and opens up the possibility of a Supra variant besting M2s with torque converters.

[skiparock]

Crawl under and see if there is a front axle

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by skiparock

Crawl under and see if there is a front axle

I highly doubt that will ever happen

Wishful thinking perhaps

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by BMA89

Addition. Won’t ever part with my M5CS it’s too special in my eyes!

Nice! And agreed!

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by mzcp

I don't think anyone would know now. Look at the 3.0 CSL MT. Who could have predicted that?

Yet, the 3.0 CSL has the exact 406 ft-lbs of torque like the base manual G80/82/87.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Maaaaybe? That Supra chassis is already a bit twitchy, adding ever more HP and TQ to it presents some problems. And sure they can upgrade the chassis, but that's gonna add either more weight or more cost. If the Supra gets the S58 but then costs $75K, is it still viable in the market?

The 2023 GR Supra is not twitchy at all. Very well balanced front midship layout. The chassis can handle the S58 without a sweat.

The Supra with the S58 will still be a lot lighter than the M4 CSL and how much is the M4 CSL? USD 140k. It will be at the performance level of a Nismo GTR & Porsche GT3 and how much is the Nismo or a GT3?

Supra with the S58 will be the ultimate S58 and I do hope it eventualises. The downside is it will probably be marketed as a limited-edition GRMN (I think these limited performance editions are bullshit, should be made available to anyone who are interested).

[Squidget]

You can believe that you can get something for nothing. You can believe that you can drop a motor that has 80+ more HP and 40 more TQ into a chassis without extra work. You can, in effect, believe that Lotus and Porsche are bad at what they do and that the Supra chassis is some miracle platform (even though it's really just a modified CLAR platform).

You can even believe when BMW puts the S58 into thier own cars, they become heavy and expensive, but when BMW puts it into the Supra it would be light and cheap.

You can believe that, even though BMW abolished their own in-house, well-loved DCT for pure economic reasons, it would make financial sense for them to resurrect it and put it into a single low-volume partnered car.

The engineer in me believes none of it. Sounds like fanboy wishes and unicorns. I'm extremely skeptical. I do not think the world works like that.

But, and I mean this sincerely, keep on believing it, because it would be great if you are right, and I'd gladly eat crow (and buy it) if such a Supra appeared. Just because I'm skeptical doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

Looks great but it is no doubt out of my price range. Also, possibly no 6MT which would be a deal breaker.

I would take the cosmetic bits though and be declared a poseur.

Yup, no 6MT would be a deal breaker for me too. And my G87 is unintentionally gonna end up almost looking like a CS anyway so I will definitely be a poseur like a MF lol.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by robopp

F87 M2CS offered a manual

Yes forgot that one. I stand corrected. Either way this would be one heck of a little track rat CS machine. Not so little anymore perhaps but in my mind that’s a good thing.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

Pretty sure no one runs this line anymore. It’s been well and truly put to bed with the last 3 CS releases.

Well said, and oh so true.

[DB_Cooper]

“Slow” car fast anyone??

I had a blast driving my old e36 m3 around before selling, same with my current new to me e46 m3.

Again, I’m old school. I’ll take an analog car that’s not laying down ridiculous EV 0-60s (putting aside the aforementioned immorality of an EV purchase).

But I will continue to give bmw props for making some MT RWD and still have a modicum of hope that something great will continue to come from M for us old souls. If not the G80, G87 &/or Supra will likely be the last new M cars in my family before seeking alternatives. I’m slowly heading backwards in time to older M car iterations & loving it; A 2002, e24, or buying back my e36 M3 are all viable options.

Aside from BMW, GR Corolla is a great option IMO (blasphemous to many Bimmerpost members, I know). Lots of Toyota hate. My bad for going off on a tangent.