[mmmotornutz]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

also, when the jb3 isnt in the car it drives flawless other than the shitty idle.

1. You have an idling problem.
2. Map 4 and 6 have lagfix.

Looks like lagfix plus a bad idle due to varying reasons is a contributor to your issues. Fix the idle problem. Get your car back into tip top shape and then put a tune back. It doesn't make sense to put more stress on failing components. Also just because your idling problem only started recently doesn't mean the symptoms have not been there all along. It could've been brewing from the get go and the demands brought upon a tune just accelerated the problem. Don't forget both tunes are making certain components work constantly harder than they were supposed to. Trying out the procede will not solve your issues. Getting a "tune up" the old fashion way may.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

This is the tune for me ! Huge torque down low is what I always wanted...

If you want HUGE torque down low.... then a JBX or AA Processor would be your best bet.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

This is the tune for me ! Huge torque down low is what I always wanted...

Try the other one when/if you get a chance. The low end power, response and consistency may be more to your liking. Or not I suppose.

Shiv

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by NatesGr8

Don't get a JB3 or your Turbo's will blow ahh just kidding. The review made sense to me, i don't see any reason for people to be getting bent out of shape over it. I clearly understood that he didn't blame it on either tune for the turbo failure.

I have a few questions though:
-How many miles were on your car when you first noticed smoke?
-Has the car ever been running low on oil?
-Has the car ever been low on coolant?
-Have you ever had any known instances of boost spiking?

All or any of the last 3 could lead to premature turbo failure and i'm just curious about some more of your car's history.

Nate

-Car currently has 36k miles, I probably noticed the smoke when it was at 33k or about 3-4 weeks ago. Once I realized it was the Turbo and not my transmission, I checked the oil gauge on iDrive and its 2 bars above the low mark.... I never checked the oil before that.

-Car has never been low on coolant

-No knowledge of boost spikes. (dont own a boost gauge)


Whats funny is the dealer didnt replace the turbo, when they put on new WG...

[kentgbr]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

also, when the jb3 isnt in the car it drives flawless other than the shitty idle.

Have your HPFP checked. When stock my car idled funny and was surging right before the HPFP went out.

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by kentgbr

Have your HPFP checked. When stock my car idled funny and was surging right before the HPFP went out.

Im sure its almost out the door. the dealer initially was going to replace it but instead they changed a plug and a coil. problem is still there. It doesnt affect drivability at all but is pretty annoying when it shakes like it does. sometimes it wont do it at all....i just dont know...

[Tobias1980]

Originally Posted by A418t81

I'll say this much: Both Shiv and Terry spend a lot of time making sure that the products they put out work like they are supposed to without any limps on properly functioning cars. Piggybacks, especially ones that really ramp up the performance like the Procede and JB3 are great for "testing" your personal car for any issues. Both systems essentially demand that everything work in tip top shape or otherwise limps will occur as safety routines are triggered in the ECU or the PB itself.

If you have a shitty idle, something is wrong. If you have a smoking turbo, obviously something is wrong. Both of you lack insight if you think your vehicles should run optimally tuned with either of those issues. If you are limping and don't think you have a reason to limp, chances are something is wrong with your car and not the PB. The PB at this point in their development is a diagnosis of exclusion, it is usually NOT the inciting problem.

Also, tell me more about this "free-er revving" because unless a PB comes with a lightened flywheel, its BS. The amount of throttle travel relative to throttle angle or boost pressure response does not equal to a free-er revving engine...though it may appear so to those who know very little, which applies to the majority here.

True! I discovered a boost leakage first time I ran Procede V3 My V3 probably saved my turbos, what about that BMW?

[FotiosF90M5]

map 3 is really a great map. Im not getting any limps with this 1.22 so thats good. Im oredering a proced to try it out and compare the two. Ive never had one and would like to try it. my jb3 is now for sale if anyones interested. all this power for only 475 shipped. Its cool having all these options for 335i owners.

[bootay]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

And for those that THINK Terry's customer service is A+, and he returns calls and emails within minutes all the time is hog wash. I will give you guys two examples of when Terry's customer service as failed, but I'm sure theres a reason behind it, he is a family man!

In Nov/Dec, someone from the forum needed help removing their JB3 because it was getting limps, He called Terry several times and sent Text messages. Terry did not answer until 2 or 3 hours later.

This past weekend at a dyno day, one of the JB3 owners called Terry, but terry did not answer. I also called and sent a text message to Terry to get an answer for this Jb3 owner. It took more than 1.5 hours for Terry to reply.

Wow, if a 1-3 hour response time (ON THE WEEKEND) doesn't make you happy, I'm not sure anything will... This thread is pointless. If you had left it at "I liked the v3 r2 low-rpm responsiveness more than the JB3 1.2 map 6 throttle responsiveness", that would've been useful. The rest of this thread (from EVERYONE, including the childish JB3 promoters and the "butt hurt" responses from JPSimon and Vishnu) is garbage.

[Gen_E92]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

map 3 is really a great map. Im not getting any limps with this 1.22 so thats good. Im oredering a proced to try it out and compare the two. Ive never had one and would like to try it. my jb3 is now for sale if anyones interested. all this power for only 475 shipped. Its cool having all these options for 335i owners.

looking forward to an unbiased comparison

btw...40 itrader

[Sparky66]

Originally Posted by A418t81

Also, tell me more about this "free-er revving" because unless a PB comes with a lightened flywheel, its BS. The amount of throttle travel relative to throttle angle or boost pressure response does not equal to a free-er revving engine...though it may appear so to those who know very little, which applies to the majority here.

In terms of free-er revving and feeling like the car now has a lightened flywheel is a analogy to best describe it's low end driveability.
Most guys including myself who have tested the beta 3.2 maps can verify what SfValley335i is describing here.

Personally, if you're going to take your time to be vulgar and insult Procede users on E90Post and labellling the "majority of Procede users as knowing very little", instead of doing any proper taste test comparison between both tunes yourself, you are not qualified in providing a subjective view. All this is just making you look very ignorant and stupid.

Coming on here as a JB3 user you should be trying to learn if there are any differences that are relative to what you are using now.
What is especially even more hypocritical as mentioned about "users knowing very little", is the fact that most BMS users freely accept whatever Terry tells you about timing control. Most JB3 users don't even know or want to believe that the JB3 doesn't control any timing events that are offset from the factory ECU. All he tells you is that his tune is controlling it "at the backend". In laymans terms he should be telling you that he is leaving up to the ECU to adapt to any changes (boost, Fuel) introduced by his tune.

[A418t81]

Originally Posted by Sparky66

In terms of free-er revving and feeling like the car now has a lightened flywheel is a analogy to best describe it's low end driveability.
Most guys including myself who have tested the beta 3.2 maps can verify what SfValley335i is describing here.

Personally, if you're going to take your time to be vulgar and insult Procede users on E90Post and labellling the "majority of Procede users as knowing very little", instead of doing any proper taste test comparison between both tunes yourself, you are not qualified in providing a subjective view. All this is just making you look very ignorant and stupid.

Coming on here as a JB3 user you should be trying to learn if there are any differences that are relative to what you are using now.
What is especially even more hypocritical as mentioned about "users knowing very little", is the fact that most BMS users freely accept whatever Terry tells you about timing control. Most JB3 users don't even know or want to believe that the JB3 doesn't control any timing events that are offset from the factory ECU. All he tells you is that his tune is controlling it "at the backend". In laymans terms he should be telling you that he is leaving up to the ECU to adapt to any changes (boost, Fuel) introduced by his tune.

First of all, thanks for the lecture. Secondly, my comment about the majority knowing very little here was not directed at Procede users, it was directed at the E90 community as a whole, JB users included. And thirdly, I've tuned lots of cars, tuned for a major aftermarket tuner, traveled and tuned, etc. I don't need layman's terms, I understand perfectly how piggies work and I don't need you trying to explain it to me with regurgitated information when I know perfectly well what is and isn't being intercepted and the technical aspects and implications associated with it all. So you see, I'm not being hypocritical at all.....unlike the majority here, I know precisely what I'm talking about.

[mmmotornutz]

Originally Posted by bootay

Wow, if a 1-3 hour response time (ON THE WEEKEND) doesn't make you happy, I'm not sure anything will... This thread is pointless. If you had left it at "I liked the v3 r2 low-rpm responsiveness more than the JB3 1.2 map 6 throttle responsiveness", that would've been useful. The rest of this thread (from EVERYONE, including the childish JB3 promoters and the "butt hurt" responses from JPSimon and Vishnu) is garbage.

Wow I can't even believe he expects a vendor to return his or someone else's call within 3 hours and within 1.5 hours on the weekends.

SFValley you remind me of the song called "Bugaboo"

[mmmotornutz]

Originally Posted by A418t81

First of all, thanks for the lecture. Secondly, my comment about the majority knowing very little here was not directed at Procede users, it was directed at the E90 community as a whole, JB users included. And thirdly, I've tuned lots of cars, tuned for a major aftermarket tuner, traveled and tuned, etc. I don't need layman's terms, I understand perfectly how piggies work and I don't need you trying to explain it to me with regurgitated information when I know perfectly well what is and isn't being intercepted and the technical aspects and implications associated with it all. So you see, I'm not being hypocritical at all.....unlike the majority here, I know precisely what I'm talking about.

Don't let his post get to you. All he is saying is that you are not qualified to make a "subjective" review...subjective not factual nor true. Subjective reviews are just as good as butt dynos, it depends on how sensitive a person is.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by mmmotornutz

Wow I can't even believe he expects a vendor to return his or someone else's call within 3 hours and within 1.5 hours on the weekends.

SFValley you remind me of the song called "Bugaboo"

I and 2 other JB3 owners were surprised when Terry didnt answer or reply to our messages within 5 minutes like majority of the JB3 owners Post here...
Some people like to hold back on letting the truth out... I dont and only reason I didnt post this review sooner is because of Terry complaining to me about "throwing him under the bus" with my first review of the Jb3 1.1 and V3.

But like some of the people here and majority on N54tech, you'll keep on running your mouth talking trash.

[WOPALX]

Originally Posted by Sparky66

In terms of free-er revving and feeling like the car now has a lightened flywheel is a analogy to best describe it's low end driveability.
Most guys including myself who have tested the beta 3.2 maps can verify what SfValley335i is describing here.

I agree 100%.

Went back to stock yesterday as I had a service appointment today and the difference is huge in low end drivability. V3.3 goes back in tonight as the car is a POS stock stock to drive

[mmmotornutz]

Originally Posted by WOPALX

I agree 100%.

Went back to stock yesterday as I had a service appointment today and the difference is huge in low end drivability. V3.3 goes back in tonight as the car is a POS stock stock to drive

Yea stock does feel kind of weak and blah compared to having a tune. Must be the lack of boost.

[mmmotornutz]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

I and 2 other JB3 owners were surprised when Terry didnt answer or reply to our messages within 5 minutes like majority of the JB3 owners Post here...
Some people like to hold back on letting the truth out... I dont and only reason I didnt post this review sooner is because of Terry complaining to me about "throwing him under the bus" with my first review of the Jb3 1.1 and V3.

But like some of the people here and majority on N54tech, you'll keep on running your mouth talking trash.

Wow I didn't realize it was this personal. I shall stay out of it now. The only people I know who demand a quick response to a text or a phone call, were ex-girlfriends and my wives.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by mmmotornutz

Yea stock does feel kind of weak and blah compared to having a tune. Must be the lack of boost.

It has a lot more to do with the 4-6 degrees of extra timing advance the new PROcede maps induce during off-boost conditions.

Shiv

[mmmotornutz]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It has a lot more to do with the 4-6 degrees of extra timing advance the new PROcede maps induce during off-boost conditions.

Shiv

Interesting. I have the same impression with my tune when I go from stock to a high tune map. The car is a lot more responsive under partial throttle, closed loop, off-boost, daily driving conditions. Stock feels blah and flat on its face.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by mmmotornutz

Interesting. I have the same impression with my tune when I go from stock to a high tune map. The car is a lot more responsive under partial throttle, closed loop, off-boost, daily driving conditions. Stock feels blah and flat on its face.

This is the exact reason why I say everyone needs to try BOTH tunes, comparing both to eachother will give you a better idea of what is better/worse. And thats when you'll understand what I mean about the Procede being more Rev'y.

Comparing any tune to stock, you'll think is amazing and has 100x better throttle response etc.

Hm Maybe I should rent out tunes from now on...

[Terrance28]

I can't speak for anybody else, but when I was installing the jb3 on my friends 135i. It was 11pm on saturday night, ran into some issues called Terry and he picked up. He even stayed on the phone the rest of the install. We emailed pictures back and forth so he could verify what we were doing wrong. Not only that everytime I have sent an email or pm I have gotten a response in less than 30 mins. So like I said I can't speak for nobody else but my experience with Terry's customer service has been excellent.