[scalbert]

Originally Posted by runningman

Partial reply:

Don't drag me into this pissing match unless you want to get into the specifics of what the intention was; which you should mention if you understand.

[lawdude]

What would have happened to this thread if no one responded to post # 43? You have only yourselves to blame.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by coldasicex5

+1 some people never change..

I see that coming from many in this thread.

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by scalbert

Don't drag me into this pissing match unless you want to get into the specifics of what the intention was; which you should mention if you understand.

+1

My datalog which Runningwoman quoted from showed some moderate timing pull and was taken out of it's context which was to show how well stage 2 is running on a car which should be using stage 1.

Funny how you choose to overlook how flat the throttle closure line was from that same graph and the lack of status knocking events.

I cry foul

[cn555ic]

[Septro]

Originally Posted by scalbert

I see that coming from many in this thread.

Don't talk about it, be about it. You ain't sweden, so if you're gonna take a stand, call the individual out and produce an opinion, otherwise I say just sit back and enjoy the view.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by Septro

Don't talk about it, be about it. You ain't sweden, so if you're gonna take a stand, call the individual out and produce an opinion, otherwise I say just sit back and enjoy the view.

What are you talking about, I am Sweden.

When it comes to the technical aspects and using information incorrectly, I will speak.. But other than that, I could care less to exspend any of my limited energy on this,

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by coldasicex5

In the words of the late Forest Gump -- "It happens.."

And unfortunately, will never cease to happen.

[ez3spikester]

Gentlemen,

I am a new N54 owner and I bought it with the full intention of tuning it. I was very interested in the Evo/STis when they first hit the scene and did a lot of research on the tuning. During my research, I came to the conclusion that Vishnu was a great option for either car. It seemed that he really owned the market...

I actually ended up going with a BMW at that time, but if I hadn't, I would have bought a Vishnu tune for either of those turbo cars.


I did the same research as I worked towards the purchase of the 335...

As I read what was available, I saw Shiv's posts and they had an impact on me... In simple terms, integrity matters.

Whether he realizes it or not, he is representing his business on this forum. Someone that walks into this from the outside, as I did, to see what's available, is blindsided with unprofessionalism...

I own my own business, and every word I write or say regarding it absolutely matters when it comes to my reputation. If I don't care enough to present my business in a professional manner in front of an audience, how much could I care when no one is listening or reading...?

So, without any regret, I went JB3 and I will support BMS from here on out.

Thank you, and Good Day.

[335jb3power]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Where is this "hate" I'm spewing? And what's with the profanity? Can't you talk/type like an adult?

the "hate" is it seems you cant have a thread go thats pro jb3 without you saying something about your product... can you act like an adult and leave other people alone that like the jb3? i usually do talk/type like an adult however, when i deal with people that act like children like you do, i tend to stoop down to their level.. i needa work on that...

[2point3]

Originally Posted by lawdude

You have only yourselves to blame.

So the person in question had no deliberate intentions to only come to this thread for his own agenda? Try again.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

This thread is awesome. We had a nice discussion, then Shiv came in, and it went to crap and now Rick and Shiv are announcing a new product in the JB thread, no less a new gauge...

I think I am going to go promote my ar design downpipe group buy in a Riss Racing thread... LOL

Mike

[5soko]

So annoying ....

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by 2point3

So the person in question had no deliberate intentions to only come to this thread for his own agenda? Try again.

Try again? Okey doke.

Shiv has an agenda, you have an agenda, I have an agenda. So what. Putting aside the possibility that Shiv could have simply wanted to provide additional info he deemed pertinent about an idividual, let's assume the worst. Let's assume that his agenda was to see if he could get a particular group fired up and derail their own thread.

You omitted the first part of my post in your quote so I ask again; what if no one responded to post 43?

I'm not taking sides. I'm just saying, try to be less predictable.

[TheTwinz]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Try again? Okey doke.

Shiv has an agenda, you have an agenda, I have an agenda. So what. Putting aside the possibility that Shiv could have simply wanted to provide additional info he deemed pertinent about an idividual, let's assume the worst. Let's assume that his agenda was to see if he could get a particular group fired up and derail their own thread.

You omitted the first part of my post in your quote so I ask again; what if no one responded to post 43?

I'm not taking sides. I'm just saying, try to be less predictable.

I think it actually started with post #19, but no one threw a hissy fit until post#43 when he wouldn't give it up.

[getInline]

Originally Posted by runningman

Partial reply:



91 octane fuel is the suggested fuel, but I was not referring to just that one customer. Here are two others:

Well since you seem to be dragging me into this I guess I'll have to speak up. I was honestly hoping that people could get past the tuner crap and have an open technical discussion but it seems everyone has their own agenda.

Would you also care to know that my BT scanner reported 3 knock events on my loping drive home tonight in VALET mode? Yes that most likely means that a stock car reports these events while cruising. You'll also notice that I said "most likely", that's because I really try not to jump to conclusions early in the game.

Seriously, do you want to stop people like me from going out of their way to contribute to the community when their posts may be twisted? I'd love to see some more logs from all tune users, but where is the incentive?

[per]

Originally Posted by Septro

Don't talk about it, be about it. You ain't sweden, so if you're gonna take a stand, call the individual out and produce an opinion, otherwise I say just sit back and enjoy the view.

I don´t know what that expression means, please explain.
Just curius how my country did get involved in this thread

[TheTwinz]

Originally Posted by per

I don´t know what that expression means, please explain.
Just curius how my country did get involved in this thread

I think he means sweden is always a neutral country... so you guys don't pick sides...

I might be wrong but

tja!

[Septro]

Originally Posted by getInline

Well since you seem to be dragging me into this I guess I'll have to speak up. I was honestly hoping that people could get past the tuner crap and have an open technical discussion but it seems everyone has their own agenda.

Would you also care to know that my BT scanner reported 3 knock events on my loping drive home tonight in VALET mode? Yes that most likely means that a stock car reports these events while cruising. You'll also notice that I said "most likely", that's because I really try not to jump to conclusions early in the game.

Seriously, do you want to stop people like me from going out of their way to contribute to the community when their posts may be twisted? I'd love to see some more logs from all tune users, but where is the incentive?

Well it is comical that all of a sudden since we found out with the new tool that even while stock, knock events happen - it so conveniently obfuscates what Shiv was deriding the JB3 to be inferior to the PROcede in that it 'rode' the knock sensor whereas his tune did not since it 'obviously' controlled timing. Now it seems it's all cool for school how, potentially, how the DME continously attempts to ride the knock sensor as it adapts to conditions (notice the word potentially, more test data is needed).

So the argument that CPS Offsets work (at least to the extent SHiv was marketing) is still to be had and some of you who are PROcede partisans aren't as aggressive with Shiv to hold him to the same standard as everyone was so happily holding the JB3 too.

But I have a feeling why that is - you all have too much financially and emotionally invested in your tune to really do that. As for me, I can give two shits who wins the timing debate - I actually respect and like the Vishnu product itself, it is the vendor's interaction that turns me off to it. But screw it, it's only my $695 he ain't getting so it's probably no sweat off the Vishnu balls in the larger scheme of things, but I'm comfortable in wagering I'm not the only one with that disposition.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by TheTwinz

I think it actually started with post #19, but no one threw a hissy fit until post#43 when he wouldn't give it up.

OK, forget the post number. Didn't know that would be such a distraction to my suggestion. On the other hand, my suggestion is so obvious, I really didn't need to make it.

Those who regularly participate in the co-opting of their own thread (doesn't matter which tuner) will ignore common sense and continue to do so. I would like to see it end but I'm afraid that would be expecting too much.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

... and now Rick and Shiv are announcing a new product in the JB thread, no less a new gauge...

Mike, I think you know this, from the many times that we have talked privately.... I will not promote products in your threads.

In my defense, I did not announce anything of the sorts, all I did is answer a customer's question solely with the intention of clearing up confusion that its NOT a new gauge, just some visual and software tweaks...

Should I have just let the confusion run rampant and let people assume I was going to be announcing a brand new gauge system? For the sake of protecting me from the mountains of PM's I would have received if that were true, I decided to make a short simple post to stop the discussion and clear up the confusion.

I even made a point to recognize the threadjack, not continue discussion, and remove my signature from the post.

Thanks for understanding, and sorry for the second threadjack.

[getInline]

Originally Posted by Septro

Well it is comical that all of a sudden since we found out with the new tool that even while stock, knock events happen.

Sigh, one test by one guy does not a conclusion make.....I give up. I think the only solution is to withhold all information untill the conclusions are stronger.