New N54 5-10 v5 PWM maps/firmware

jpsimon · 05-13-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by themyst

The "stable" firmware is hardly stable for many 6AT owners. Some have no choice but to run beta firmware. Just some food for thought.

shoulda got a 6MT

Brey335i · 05-13-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by themyst

The "stable" firmware is hardly stable for many 6AT owners. Some have no choice but to run beta firmware. Just some food for thought.

You keep saying that but in truth it's only a few 6AT owners that have problems. I run the latest maps on 6AT with no issues of any kind.

themyst · 05-13-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Brey335i

You keep saying that but in truth it's only a few 6AT owners that have problems. I run the latest maps on 6AT with no issues of any kind.

This will be my last post in this thread but I'll leave you with this:

Most people who had the issues simply returned the tune or sold it and moved on with life, so it IS a bigger issue than some would like to believe.

The whole point of my original response is to point out that some do not have a choice BUT to run 3-30 DIC maps with limited functionality and other quirks because it is the only one that DOESN'T misfire.

The user I responded to provided an opinion as to how Shiv prioritizes marketing and selling new product than correcting issues with his tune. I share his opinion, and perhaps Shiv will read this and rethink how he goes about business.

Now I'm happy that Shiv at least acknowledges the many issues surrounding 3-30 beta firmware, but I, for one, am sick and tired of being a guinea pig and also moved on.

For those who experience no issues, congrats and you have a solid tune. I loved the thing on my 6MT 135i, but the tune doesn't love my new car.

enrita · 05-13-2011, 12:05 PM

great glad you moved on

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Originally Posted by themyst

This will be my last post in this thread but I'll leave you with this:

Most people who had the issues simply returned the tune or sold it and moved on with life, so it IS a bigger issue than some would like to believe.

The whole point of my original response is to point out that some do not have a choice BUT to run 3-30 DIC maps with limited functionality and other quirks because it is the only one that DOESN'T misfire.

The user I responded to provided an opinion as to how Shiv prioritizes marketing and selling new product than correcting issues with his tune. I share his opinion, and perhaps Shiv will read this and rethink how he goes about business.

Now I'm happy that Shiv at least acknowledges the many issues surrounding 3-30 beta firmware, but I, for one, am sick and tired of being a guinea pig and also moved on.

For those who experience no issues, congrats and you have a solid tune. I loved the thing on my 6MT 135i, but the tune doesn't love my new car.

TurboBimmer · 05-13-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by enrita

great glad you moved on

No offense, but maybe V5 works so well on your car because the myst spent alot of his time beta-testing...?

Anyway, I hope working AT maps will be available soon. After that Shiv can spend all the time he wants selling his meth kits

Brey335i · 05-13-2011, 01:23 PM

Here's some food for thought:

Some 6AT cars run flawlessly and others have constant problems. It seems that earlier model cars are the ones who are in the safe zone while those that are either later model years or have recent software updates from BMW have problems.

I'm not saying it isn't tune related. It is obviously because the symptoms disappear when running without it (and for those who say it's because you stress the engine less in stock form, these symptoms also disappear when using a different tune). Now I'm not trying to start anything here, but rather get to the bottom of the problem.

I can't say it's the tune's fault either because it obviously runs really well for some, like me. It seems that something isn't working out right with the new BMW software and that it seems to happen at higher boost levels.

Ilma · 05-13-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brey335i

Here's some food for thought:

Some 6AT cars run flawlessly and others have constant problems.

I can't say it's the tune's fault either because it obviously runs really well for some, like me. It seems that something isn't working out right with the new BMW software

It's definitely this.

Even flash-based software often has to be adjustd as new versions of DME software upgrades happen time to time from the manufacturer.

My 2 cents is that it's the latest software update from BMW that is creating the problem.

I tried the same maps before and after I got the latest DME update, and the post-shift timing recovery issue only started happening after I got the latest BMW software update.

AltecBX · 05-13-2011, 02:09 PM

I do feel many members on both side of the argument. But instead of playing the blame game, lets find ways on how to better these tunes so many of these treads don't go off topic and better for users to search for what they looking for later on.

- How can tuners get in front of this before it becomes a problem?
- Start treads with polls with people actually having problems, so tuners can fix them in a more timely matter and know what problems is affecting more users than not.
- Work more directly with tuners & notify them of problems sooner so it can be fixed in the next release.

TurboBimmer · 05-13-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brey335i

Here's some food for thought:

I can't say it's the tune's fault either because it obviously runs really well for some, like me. It seems that something isn't working out right with the new BMW software and that it seems to happen at higher boost levels.

Procede in = misfires on my car, Procede out or any other tune in = no misfires. What more proof do you need?

Granted, the post-shift timing recovery issues only appeared after the latest Bmw software updates.

enrita · 05-13-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Autobahn335i

No offense, but maybe V5 works so well on your car because the myst spent alot of his time beta-testing...?

Anyway, I hope working AT maps will be available soon. After that Shiv can spend all the time he wants selling his meth kits

well no because i have never had missfires even at 19-20 psi with upgraded turbos.
both on the old 07 BMW software and october 2010 software.

DaFish · 05-13-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilma

It's definitely this.

Even flash-based software often has to be adjustd as new versions of DME software upgrades happen time to time from the manufacturer.

My 2 cents is that it's the latest software update from BMW that is creating the problem.

I tried the same maps before and after I got the latest DME update, and the post-shift timing recovery issue only started happening after I got the latest BMW software update.

This exactly happened with Dinan Flash... when I had it. My car had to be flat bedded to the dealer cause the dealer updated the ECU and didn't get the new Dinan upgrade.... limp mode until the Dinan was updated to match the ECU

Glowin · 05-13-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by (-(ellblazer420

The new map is great as far as I could tell on a small drive last night. The car starts up right away. I haven't got a chance to try out the cruise control. I'm heading down to LA this weekend for bimmerfest. I will write a very detailed review of the PWM meth kit when I get back. I want to have the car for a full weekend with lots of driving before I give it a review.

Again all I honestly have to say right now is wow. I drove the car last night at 9pm and it's now almost 2pm the next day and I still have not stopped smiling. Woke up smiling because all I could dream about was the car hahaha

Did you have a meth kit previously to compare this new feeling to, or could the wow factor just be the big bump going from non-meth to meth, which you'd get regardless of the kit?

OpenFlash · 05-13-2011, 03:56 PM

At Buttonwillow right now. Things are looking good

Brey335i · 05-13-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Autobahn335i

Procede in = misfires on my car, Procede out or any other tune in = no misfires. What more proof do you need?

Granted, the post-shift timing recovery issues only appeared after the latest Bmw software updates.

You obviously only focused on one single phrase in my earlier post. Why don't you try being more constructive rather than criticize everything?

You focused on a point that I already made in my previous post. However, my intent was only to show that this extends beyond the tune. And to that degree I concur that the problems obviously only persist with the Procede (as I had already stated) but went on to say that since it only happens to some people it's not the tune but rather how it works with the different versions of the BMW software.

Themyst said he never had a problem with his previous 135i but now he does with his 335i... that's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to defend anyone here but try to get to the bottom of this and work together to figure out what needs to be changed to run the procede without any issues on the newer cars too.

Brey335i · 05-13-2011, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

At Buttonwillow right now. Things are looking good

Are you logging this session? I'd love to see logs from the track

EastBayE90 · 05-13-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Glowin

Did you have a meth kit previously to compare this new feeling to, or could the wow factor just be the big bump going from non-meth to meth, which you'd get regardless of the kit?

Yea I have had experience with Progressive kits before on other cars. So the wow factor may be due to finally having it on the N54. Because the power yields were not as much on other cars. It was such a power difference it really shocked me. I did not expect it to feel this different

BMW1986 · 05-13-2011, 05:11 PM

Do we have an ETA on 6AT software?

OpenFlash · 05-13-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brey335i

Are you logging this session? I'd love to see logs from the track

Yes. I have full 20 minute logs. Lots of tasty info.

-Intake temps are highest (40C) for those seconds that the car is off boost/meth. Once on the straight and at WOT IATs drop 10 deg C within a couple of seconds.

-in a 20 min session running 14psi, the level in the filler neck dropped 2 inches (after being filled). We will do another session and see how much it takes to be filled again. But it's obvious that meth consumprion is lower than expected.

- agression level stayed well under 1.0

AltecBX · 05-13-2011, 05:35 PM

Has the logic change in the aggression level?

Glowin · 05-13-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by (-(ellblazer420

Yea I have had experience with Progressive kits before on other cars. So the wow factor may be due to finally having it on the N54. Because the power yields were not as much on other cars. It was such a power difference it really shocked me. I did not expect it to feel this different

Thanks for the reply. It would have been great to hear your impressions if you'd switched from a PPS system to this one. I'm sure we'll hear of others in Shiv's first install batch who hopefully did switch and have some logs of "old" meth system vs. this new one.

BMW1986 · 05-13-2011, 09:46 PM

Amazing stuff!

Syndicategt · 05-13-2011, 09:49 PM

So where's the feedback? How do these maps feel compared to the 3-30 maps?

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