[picus]

The process depends on the state. When I lemon'd my Audi in California I called a lemon law attorney and paid him $105 to send in the form; 4 days later Audi bought back the car. In Ontario I believe it is a little more involved, but it's still 30 days.

I think my fuel pump is going. What's the backorder up to now? Oh, my production month is November.

[Schweitzer]

What all is involved in the Lemon Law thing? (Ohio)

It is state specific. Here's the Ohio link:

http://www.ag.state.oh.us/citizen/co.../lemon_law.asp

[thealbert]

Originally Posted by thealbert

I got a reply from the dealers today and yes indeed it was the high pressure fuel pump that failed on me. Just like what I originally expected. They said they'll be calling in to order the part and will give me an idea as to when I'll be getting the replacement pump. Hope the wait won't be too long! I'll keep you guys updated.

Got another update right now from my dealer. They're saying I should be able to get the part in two weeks now. They said they'll be getting it direct from Germany. I'm not ready to call my car a lemon yet! Keeping my fingers crossed!

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by thealbert

Got another update right now from my dealer. They're saying I should be able to get the part in two weeks now. They said they'll be getting it direct from Germany. I'm not ready to call my car a lemon yet! Keeping my fingers crossed!

My SA said the same exact thing, that theres a 2-3 week wait and that its coming from Germany. Although I'm glad my fuel pump hasnt completly died but it a hair shy of a heart attack.

[Mdelosrey]

Hello all, I can only imagine how e92 owners feels after purchasing a great car and having it out of commission for such a long time. It must suck. But please understand that when something happens to your car, lets use for example the HPP issue. That BMWNA requires techs to go through test plans and other Very relevant tests to pin-point not only the obvious problem but to narrow down certain symptoms before total failure. So even if the tech already ran into the problem a handful of times and he knows what is wrong, he has to follow protocol and perform tests that get sent to BMWNA. Then he will get a new updated HPP. Not only that but since there is a "large" number of e92's affected there is a shortage of updated HPP's thus by submitting certain required tests to BMWNA will the tech be able to replace a Known bad HPP. I know everyone is like "so what." But please be open minded and understand that BMW is trying to constantly push the envelope. This is the first Direct-Injection in a 3. Within a certain limit, malfunctions will occur because of the "new-ness" of the car. It is rough in the beginning but they will have it sorted out and they will take care of you guys, just please keep an open mind. I don't mean to preach but I just felt like I had to post that. Sorry for the long post. Thanks for taking your time reading my opinions. Good Luck.

[cntlaw]

Sad story, especially a new car.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by Mdelosrey

Hello all, I can only imagine how e92 owners feels after purchasing a great car and having it out of commission for such a long time. It must suck. But please understand that when something happens to your car, lets use for example the HPP issue. That BMWNA requires techs to go through test plans and other Very relevant tests to pin-point not only the obvious problem but to narrow down certain symptoms before total failure. So even if the tech already ran into the problem a handful of times and he knows what is wrong, he has to follow protocol and perform tests that get sent to BMWNA. Then he will get a new updated HPP. Not only that but since there is a "large" number of e92's affected there is a shortage of updated HPP's thus by submitting certain required tests to BMWNA will the tech be able to replace a Known bad HPP. I know everyone is like "so what." But please be open minded and understand that BMW is trying to constantly push the envelope. This is the first Direct-Injection in a 3. Within a certain limit, malfunctions will occur because of the "new-ness" of the car. It is rough in the beginning but they will have it sorted out and they will take care of you guys, just please keep an open mind. I don't mean to preach but I just felt like I had to post that. Sorry for the long post. Thanks for taking your time reading my opinions. Good Luck.

Well stated. Just so you know, the problem involves 335i's (e90s and e92s) not speciifically e92 which simply designates coupes.

[DrewKo]

I've read different symptoms of fuel pump issues...some say it is quick and others say it is slow. I wondered if folks would please tell me the fuel pump symptoms, from early onset to late stage symptoms, so that I and others can monitor our cars. Mine is a Nov 06 build 335i and I don't believe I have a fuel pump issue yet at 2200 miles, but want to know what issues to look out for. tx.

[BzsBimmer]

01/07 build date
Just started having hard start issues today....

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by DrewKo

I wondered if folks would please tell me the fuel pump symptoms, from early onset to late stage symptoms, so that I and others can monitor our cars.

Im with you on that. Id like to know what to keep my eyes pealed for. The only thing Ive been feeling is a sort of "chugging" in first gear. Ive been driving sticks for over 15 yrs and never felt this before except when I first learned to drive. Im just wondering if its me or the car.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by HyperM3

Im with you on that. Id like to know what to keep my eyes pealed for. The only thing Ive been feeling is a sort of "chugging" in first gear. Ive been driving sticks for over 15 yrs and never felt this before except when I first learned to drive. Im just wondering if its me or the car.

longer cranks to start car
hesitation when accelerating
rough idle
loss of power

car refuse to move

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by Raider

longer cranks to start car
hesitation when accelerating
rough idle
loss of power

car refuse to move

Thanks for the quick reply.

[thealbert]

Now that I look back, I noticed that there was a slight hesitation in the throttle. Especially when I'm accelerating hard. It would feel like the car would suddenly drop in power for a fraction of a second. Kind of like you lifting off the throttle for split second. This would happen a few times during the acceleration sprint. But the thing was, it was very slight and at first I thought it was just my tires skidding on a slippery road and it would only happen every now and then. So that being said I never paid much attention to it during that time. Aside from that, there really wasn't any warning at all before my fuel pump gave up. It literally just died on me after an afternoon's worth of driving around town.

Coincidentally, the pump did break the day I finished my break-in period. It was also at this time that I finally decided to bring the RPMs up to around 6k instead of sticking to the 4.5k limit during break-in. After about 20 mins worth of driving, before I knew it, I was on the side of the road with a car on limp mode and a broken fuel pump! Hope this helps!

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by thealbert

It was also at this time that I finally decided to bring the RPMs up to around 6k instead of sticking to the 4.5k limit during break-in. After about 20 mins worth of driving, before I knew it, I was on the side of the road with a car on limp mode and a broken fuel pump! Hope this helps!

Which is another reason Ive hit 6k several times before the breakin is over. If its going to happen, I want it to happen now. At least I have a backup car right now if it needs to be in the shop for a month.

[Plan B]

Originally Posted by BzsBimmer

01/07 build date
Just started having hard start issues today....

You're the first 07' production, that I know of, with possible fuel pump failure. Hope that's not the case, but please let us know if the FP does indeed need to be replaced.

[carl_lazlo]

Originally Posted by Mdelosrey

Hello all, I can only imagine how e92 owners feels after purchasing a great car and having it out of commission for such a long time. It must suck. But please understand that when something happens to your car, lets use for example the HPP issue. That BMWNA requires techs to go through test plans and other Very relevant tests to pin-point not only the obvious problem but to narrow down certain symptoms before total failure. So even if the tech already ran into the problem a handful of times and he knows what is wrong, he has to follow protocol and perform tests that get sent to BMWNA. Then he will get a new updated HPP. Not only that but since there is a "large" number of e92's affected there is a shortage of updated HPP's thus by submitting certain required tests to BMWNA will the tech be able to replace a Known bad HPP. I know everyone is like "so what." But please be open minded and understand that BMW is trying to constantly push the envelope. This is the first Direct-Injection in a 3. Within a certain limit, malfunctions will occur because of the "new-ness" of the car. It is rough in the beginning but they will have it sorted out and they will take care of you guys, just please keep an open mind. I don't mean to preach but I just felt like I had to post that. Sorry for the long post. Thanks for taking your time reading my opinions. Good Luck.

Well said.


BTW Mdelosrey...how long have you been a BMW tech?

[Mdelosrey]

Hey Lazlo, I guess you figured I was in the field. Well I am a VERY new BMW tech. I started full time last week. I have been into cars a very long time and have worked professionally for Subaru/VW prior to BMW. I decided to specialize on a certain make, and decided to go through the STEP program for BMW. I have been very pleased with BMWNA's dedication to their products, that is why I probably felt compelled to post in the first place. Why do you ask? Are you also in the field? Also if people are afraid of being stuck on the side of the road because of a faulty HPP, don't worry too much. BMW has put in a failsafe fuel map which uses the "standard" 5bar Fuel pump. Instead of the injectors opening on the compression stroke they will open on the intake stroke since the standard fuel pump cannot overcome the compression. Sure, it might not run like it should but it should be drive-able. Which I think is pretty cool.

[alenda]

Add my car to list of cars with a bad fuel pump. I was in Stillwater MN and on the way home I got the dreaded "Engine Malfunction - Loss of Power"

I drove all the way home in a BMW that felt like I was driving an old VW beetle.

Funny thing is that I stopped and re-started the engine a few times and it took a while to start. On the last try it started up like a champ but the service engine soon light is still on.

Should I drive the car to the dealership on Monday or do you think it would be better to have it towed? I dont want to make it worse.

My car has 4500 miles.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[alenda]

I tried to contact BMW Assist for them to tow the car away but they said that there are a bunch of forms that need to be filled out and that the dealership would need to take care of that for me.

CRAZY!

[Jeff@Eurobahn.us]

One of our customers called today and said his car would not start. He had a stumble earlier last week. Another fuel pump gone........................


Jeff
Eurobahn

[thealbert]

Originally Posted by alenda

Add my car to list of cars with a bad fuel pump. I was in Stillwater MN and on the way home I got the dreaded "Engine Malfunction - Loss of Power"

I drove all the way home in a BMW that felt like I was driving an old VW beetle.

Funny thing is that I stopped and re-started the engine a few times and it took a while to start. On the last try it started up like a champ but the service engine soon light is still on.

Should I drive the car to the dealership on Monday or do you think it would be better to have it towed? I dont want to make it worse.

My car has 4500 miles.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Sorry to hear the bad news. Better have it towed as your fuel pump could just completely die on you at any time.

[Plan B]

Originally Posted by Mdelosrey

Hey Lazlo, I guess you figured I was in the field. Well I am a VERY new BMW tech. I started full time last week. I have been into cars a very long time and have worked professionally for Subaru/VW prior to BMW. I decided to specialize on a certain make, and decided to go through the STEP program for BMW. I have been very pleased with BMWNA's dedication to their products, that is why I probably felt compelled to post in the first place. Why do you ask? Are you also in the field? Also if people are afraid of being stuck on the side of the road because of a faulty HPP, don't worry too much. BMW has put in a failsafe fuel map which uses the "standard" 5bar Fuel pump. Instead of the injectors opening on the compression stroke they will open on the intake stroke since the standard fuel pump cannot overcome the compression. Sure, it might not run like it should but it should be drive-able. Which I think is pretty cool.

Mdelosrey - Thanks for your input. It's refreshing to get a bit of info from someone on the "inside".

Based on what you know, (please feel free to PM me if you don’t want to post your response publicly)...has BMW:
1) Identified the problem(s) with the HPP?
2) Have they made appropriate measures to ensure that the new HPP's are good?
3) If there are updated HPP’s, which month’s build was the first to incorporate them?

Any insight much appreciated.