Dealer Calls and Says "Did you modify the cars Engine Control Unit?"..re:fuel Pump

teknochild · 04-04-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

oh yea one more thing i forgot..... they said I had a nail in the tire so when they brought the car back to me the tire was flat and the wheel was laying on the ground pretty much.

weird I brought it in with a perfect tire full of air.....I had to hae them bring a air compressor out to pump it for me.

CALL AND COMPLAIN TO BMWNA

now for christ sake, thats the only way that pric of a place will ever get better

boggysv · 04-04-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OC kid

bimport & ganeilis are nerds.

Actually, I think ganeil has demonstrated a high level of smrtness with his replies in this thread.
I enjoy reading them, better than all the flame wars going on around here.

ATG · 04-04-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ganeil

The case you refer to concerned aftermarket parts that replaced the OEM parts and met industry standards for that part. The point of the ruling was that a claim could not be denied because you used a FRAM oil filter rather than the OEM filter as long as it was the proper size, etc...

The BMW warranty explicitly states that it is not applicable if the car has been modified to exceed their specifications. This means the ENTIRE WARRANTY. The whole point of PROcede is to exceed BMW's specifications. If you went to court and relied on the earlier case, there is a very good chance you will lose.

Do they pay you by the hour? And how come you don't live in NJ?

CASHBY · 04-04-2007, 06:29 PM

wow

ATG · 04-04-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by boggysv

Actually, I think ganeil has demonstrated a high level of smrtness with his replies in this thread.
I enjoy reading them, better than all the flame wars going on around here.

Yep, throwing in phrases like "rebuttable presumption" shows a tremendous amount of intelligence. Yet, misapplying that term does not. it is BMW that has the "onus" or, in plain English, the burden of proving that CEA has installed the mod that "allegedly" caused the fuel pump failure. Mods = OK unless there is a causal connection between the mod and the defect in the car's part. Just proving that CEA "ordered Xede" gets BMW nowhere.

CASHBY · 04-04-2007, 06:33 PM

x

Ryan@Motorwerks · 04-04-2007, 06:33 PM

The best thing to do when the dealership asks the ECU question is just play dumb:
"Um sir, have you modified the ECU in any way?"
"No, I haven't done anything to the seats"

If you can say it with a straight face I think it will clear all of the dealer's doubt.

lkraven · 04-04-2007, 06:36 PM

The correct response would be: "... (long pause) ... What's wrong with my air conditioner? Environmental Control Unit, right?"

teknochild · 04-04-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 335e90

The best thing to do when the dealership asks the ECU question is just play dumb:
"Um sir, have you modified the ECU in any way?"
"No, I haven't done anything to the seats"

If you can say it with a straight face I think it will clear all of the dealer's doubt.

LOL

WilyB · 04-04-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ganeil

You stated that you ordered XEDE.

Wow, his real name is CEA 3?

itsbrokeagain · 04-04-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

"Customer states that check engine light is on, and vehicle is running poorly"

" DSC has faults for wheel speed issues, upon closer inspection found car modifciations including exhaust, suspension and "race" tires mounted on rear. Cleared fault codes and non returned at this time. No repairs done at this time"

Why the fuck did they look at the DSC for car running poorly? Thats the biggest idiot I know of. If the DSC is screwed up, it throws the SZL light and the DTC symbol and all that jazz.

Wheel speed issues? Wow whoever worked on it must not know his head from his ass...so lets see...car has CEL, so lets throw it up on a lift and check the wheep speed sensors to find out you have 'race' tires and suspension and exhaust!!!....

Car running poorly...they didnt bother to check the MAP readings, or maybe check fuel pressures or any of that? wow.

OC ///M · 04-04-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by boggysv

Actually, I think ganeil has demonstrated a high level of smrtness with his replies in this thread.
I enjoy reading them, better than all the flame wars going on around here.

"...A high level of smrtness..."??? ...spelling aside.

Yeah he's a genius; with all those big words and everything.

bimport · 04-04-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WilyB

Wow, his real name is CEA 3?

And I am really CEA 3's SA.

CASHBY · 04-04-2007, 06:51 PM

?

boggysv · 04-04-2007, 06:51 PM

Are you refering to post 97 and 99?

There are 2 points here that can void the warranty, first the xede, second, the "racing".

If BMW has to prove that he installed xede (which he indeed did), there are just as many posts from CEA3 to show that he "got the xede" and "installed the xede". Unless of course, they would then need to prove that CEA 3 was the one composing all these post. In the end, it would just be another "proof it" loop?

Regardless of the above paragraph, CEA 3 did mention he brought the car to the track (and reported times on this forum nonetheless). IF whatever composed under the name of CAE 3 can be used against him, he doesnt even need to worry about the xede/proceed issue anymore, because the track incident(s) would have been enough to deny all warranty claims.

my $0.02

OC ///M · 04-04-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lkraven

The correct response would be: "... (long pause) ... What's wrong with my air conditioner? Environmental Control Unit, right?"

boggysv · 04-04-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OC kid

"...A high level of smrtness..."??? ...spelling aside.

you do not watch enough simpsons.

WilyB · 04-04-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bimport

And I am really CEA 3's SA.

My point exactly.

So what's your take on the XEDE offered by many excellent vendors? And what about the Turbo Tuner?

Thanks!

CASHBY · 04-04-2007, 06:59 PM

CoralRedPlz · 04-04-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OC kid

...

^+1

Summary so far:

CEA3 got worked over and Irvine BMW is lame.
bimport & ganeilis are nerds.

+1

edited to add that the people taking bmw's side on this one are insane.
its a manufacturing defect, plain and simple.
there are warrenties for things like this and they have an honor to uphold that. not to try and weasel out of it by blaming it on a chip.

just bc they MIGHT be able to get out of fixing it bc of the fine print, doesnt mean they should. its obvious to any mentally competant person that they are trying to get around fixing a flaw in their engineering/manufacturing.

Ryan@Motorwerks · 04-04-2007, 07:02 PM

bimport- you obviously know nothing about warranty law or cars in general for that matter, so I really hope you aren't an SA.

lkraven · 04-04-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CoralRedPlz

+1
there are warrenties for things like this and they have an honor to uphold that. not to try and weasel out of it by blaming it on a chip.

Even if it was being blamed on the chip... that's one thing... but the TIRES?

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Ryan@Motorwerks Captain 49 Rep 963 Posts Drives: X3M Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	The best thing to do when the dealership asks the ECU question is just play dumb: "Um sir, have you modified the ECU in any way?" "No, I haven't done anything to the seats" If you can say it with a straight face I think it will clear all of the dealer's doubt.
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boggysv Private First Class 8 Rep 188 Posts Drives: A4, but riding the bus for now Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, KL iTrader: (0)	Are you refering to post 97 and 99? There are 2 points here that can void the warranty, first the xede, second, the "racing". If BMW has to prove that he installed xede (which he indeed did), there are just as many posts from CEA3 to show that he "got the xede" and "installed the xede". Unless of course, they would then need to prove that CEA 3 was the one composing all these post. In the end, it would just be another "proof it" loop? Regardless of the above paragraph, CEA 3 did mention he brought the car to the track (and reported times on this forum nonetheless). IF whatever composed under the name of CAE 3 can be used against him, he doesnt even need to worry about the xede/proceed issue anymore, because the track incident(s) would have been enough to deny all warranty claims. my $0.02
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