[Litos]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Four people in the car with luggage, A/C on, I averaged 47mpg! On the way back, I hit some stop and go traffic, but still averaged over 45mpg.

i remember doing that one time in my 335i.

i left my house with my wife and 2 kids to go to the beach in May.

i drove 60mph on cruise control and hit 39mpg for about 27 miles - that's why i'm in love with my 335.

if the SRT could get @ 22-mpg i'd NEVER get rid of this thing.

going 65mph the SRT will get a hair over 21mpg HAHAHA !!!! SHITBOX !!!!!

[kdiggz]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

LOL at 14MPG highway economy! Thats worse than the V10 M5.
Interestingly enough, last night I was checking my MPG on the 335D M-Sport on the 52 mile trip to LAX. Four people in the car with luggage, A/C on, I averaged 47mpg! On the way back, I hit some stop and go traffic, but still averaged over 45mpg. Car does 4.5 sec 0-60 and runs high 12's. Incredible combination of performance stats.

that's cool. sounds like the perfect daily driver. probably super torquey too

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by kdiggz

that's cool. sounds like the perfect daily driver. probably super torquey too

With close to 500ft/lb torque at the engine around 2000rpm, launching from an intersection is always effortless and so much fun. It makes an awesome daily driver!

[venom3469]

You guys are killing me, I was going to get a kbcobra but decided I wanted a nicer smoother ride. Now I have decided to go with the 335i I must achieve 500rwhp or ill be disappointed. But I'm on the Bimmer train now!

[Litos]

Originally Posted by venom3469

You guys are killing me, I was going to get a kbcobra but decided I wanted a nicer smoother ride. Now I have decided to go with the 335i I must achieve 500rwhp or ill be disappointed. But I'm on the Bimmer train now!

i would say that you have made the right decision.

BUT, having a KB Cobra should still be your top priority HAHAHA !!!!!

[thetedderbear]

You have two options here:
A viper of any sort, the older the less control
OR
The car that inspired it, a 427 cobra, you could probably get a kit one for a decent price and stuff whatever you want in it.

[hotrod182]

You have to figure out if you care about safety/traction and winning races, or just smoking your tires. If that later, get one of these pickup trucks that don't have much power, but they still spin their tires and go nowhere, lol.

The 335i can get you to some pretty impressive performance levels.
Case in point: As I was driving through the local Carls Jr, I noticed a couple of nice Cobras parked with the owners both admiring and talking in front of their cars. A bright orange coupe, and a dark colored convertible. I couldn't resist. I drove by and built up a little brake boost as I drove by. I watched as they both stared. I can only imagine what was going through their heads...but probably something like "Are you kidding me, what are you going to do in that slow BMW?" They jumped in their cars and went out the first exit and drove by me, with the wide-tired orange one blaring a mean loud exhaust note.

We all hit the onramp pretty fast and I was pulling on them. I let off the throttle and waited for them to let up. I then accelerated past them and let off again. They then surrounded me, one on the left, and one on the right. They fell for the trap. Now I was ready to show them some uninterrupted full throttle acceleration. The orange one fiercely roared with the supercharger whining, but I walked him pretty easily. The convertible always got left behind each time. We ran about 6 times, and they got left behind each time. Now if I were in a Corvette, it would be no big deal. But a stock looking 3 series sedan schooling a couple of terminators, bet they weren't expecting that to happen! So much more fun driving a sleeper.

I know, I know...lots of 9 second, 700rwhp Cobras running around. But I will probably still beat most of the Cobras I see driving around 10:1. And I can guarantee you, most of them probably thought I would be easy pickings. One thing I am starting to notice, Cobra (the Terminators) drivers are way more likely to run you than the average Corvette drivers you encounter. Most are a cool bunch.
As I ran today...no N20, but my car still runs about 3.4 sec 0-60, and 11.7 at 123mph in the qtr. I was kind of bummed I didn't have my regular camera, but then remembered I could use the phone. So I took a video of one of the runs to give you an idea of how most of them looked. Things to note: As they waited to line up, you can hear the loud orange Cobra with his engine revving, ready to go, and by the end of the video, look at how far he left the black one behind in those few short seconds. In other words, you can analyze the video, and see the acceleration of my car is legit.

[Quisp]

Another way to beat the stangs is take a road that has turns. Had some guy pass me on a 2 lane in a no passing section(apparently he was racing me and I did not know it). He went by me on the straight but i caught up and stuck on him. When the road got twisty he was all over the place and I could have passed but did not want to cause an accident so I backed off. We] pulled off on the side of the road, he was white as a sheet. Young kid, told me that he scared himself in the turns when the car started to lose it. They are fast cars but cant hold it in turns. I hear the newer ones have better handling though

[georgelb]

Originally Posted by Quisp

Another way to beat the stangs is take a road that has turns. Had some guy pass me on a 2 lane in a no passing section(apparently he was racing me and I did not know it). He went by me on the straight but i caught up and stuck on him. When the road got twisty he was all over the place and I could have passed but did not want to cause an accident so I backed off. We] pulled off on the side of the road, he was white as a sheet. Young kid, told me that he scared himself in the turns when the car started to lose it. They are fast cars but cant hold it in turns. I hear the newer ones have better handling though

So a kid overdriving a car that probably has stock suspension, who didn't know how to drive, equates to the car in general not doing well on twisties?

[DaFish]

Originally Posted by georgelb

So a kid overdriving a car that probably has stock suspension, who didn't know how to drive, equates to the car in general not doing well on twisties?

Point is the same kid in the BWW wouldn't be white scared

We haven't even discussed the brakes that hit the front outside caliper on hard braking on a corner

You get what u pay for

BMW does it all well AND can rip the quarter as hot rod said

[georgelb]

Originally Posted by DaFish

Point is the same kid in the BWW wouldn't be white scared

We haven't even discussed the brakes that hit the front outside caliper on hard braking on a corner

You get what u pay for

BMW does it all well AND can rip the quarter as hot rod said

I disagree that the kid being in a BMW would have 'fixed' that for him; more likely, his limit would be pushed up a little more so that he would be going even faster when things began to get beyond his control...because someone that drives their car to that point on the street is going to get in trouble at some point, no matter what car they are driving.

My point was that saying "This person that was trying to race me in xxx car got scared when we hit curves" does not equate to "xxx car is terrible on curves."

I have walked plenty of cars in the twisties in a 100whp car. The funniest probably being a guy in a suit driving a 987 boxter who blew by me like I was in reverse after we exited the twisties. That does not mean that boxters are terrible in the twisties.

[Fern8321]

I get a little sideways when i punch it at 40

[Quisp]

No, I have heard from several mustang owners along with magazines and internet postings that the mustang is, or was, more of a straight liine car rather than something for a twisty mountain road,, that is what equates to the car not doing well in the twisties in general.
The kid looking scared and white is probably because the mustangs handling is not something that gives the driver a feeling of confidence in the cars ability to handle twisty roads at aggressive speeds. Some people get out of their car aftrer a good set of turns and feel exhilerated and smiling. Some people get out of there cars after a set of turns shaking and feeling....well not feeling as good. I beleive the car has a lot to do with that. You said it yourself "overdriving" the car.
Stock suspension to stock suspension the BMW will handle the turns better, fact.
And just to clarify I call most of the people in their 20's and below kids, not meant as a slam or anything, they are just younger than me. Not an insult or a statement of any kind, just people that are younger than me. This kid was probably around 23, and was not an inexperienced driver, he went to the drags on the weekends and ran his car there.
My point was simply that a BMW can handle the twisty roads better than mustangs(althought I have heard and read that the newer mustangs have greatly improved handling so I am not sure how those compare.)

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

I got friends with mustangs and any time they are in my car they are amazed at how it handles in the turns.

Straight line -- > solid rear axle

Turns--> Independent suspension

Pick your poison and remember what platform you prefer.

I spin my tires at 100 MPH ---- in the rain. In all seriousness the OP needs FMIC and upgraded turbo's and if that isnt that step in the right direction nitrous for sure will break the tires loose at 50 MPH.

Eitherway I dont agree with the logic behind the OP, I suffer from traction loss many a time from the 40 MPH and I hate it.

There are many cars that can break loose at 50 though.... just pick your poison and plan on being over 500WHP

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by tibra1

+1

1000+hp to break loose at 50.

ZR1 can do it, without dumping the clutch

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

You have to figure out if you care about safety/traction and winning races, or just smoking your tires. If that later, get one of these pickup trucks that don't have much power, but they still spin their tires and go nowhere, lol.

The 335i can get you to some pretty impressive performance levels.
Case in point: As I was driving through the local Carls Jr, I noticed a couple of nice Cobras parked with the owners both admiring and talking in front of their cars. A bright orange coupe, and a dark colored convertible. I couldn't resist. I drove by and built up a little brake boost as I drove by. I watched as they both stared. I can only imagine what was going through their heads...but probably something like "Are you kidding me, what are you going to do in that slow BMW?" They jumped in their cars and went out the first exit and drove by me, with the wide-tired orange one blaring a mean loud exhaust note.

We all hit the onramp pretty fast and I was pulling on them. I let off the throttle and waited for them to let up. I then accelerated past them and let off again. They then surrounded me, one on the left, and one on the right. They fell for the trap. Now I was ready to show them some uninterrupted full throttle acceleration. The orange one fiercely roared with the supercharger whining, but I walked him pretty easily. The convertible always got left behind each time. We ran about 6 times, and they got left behind each time. Now if I were in a Corvette, it would be no big deal. But a stock looking 3 series sedan schooling a couple of terminators, bet they weren't expecting that to happen! So much more fun driving a sleeper.

I know, I know...lots of 9 second, 700rwhp Cobras running around. But I will probably still beat most of the Cobras I see driving around 10:1. And I can guarantee you, most of them probably thought I would be easy pickings. One thing I am starting to notice, Cobra (the Terminators) drivers are way more likely to run you than the average Corvette drivers you encounter. Most are a cool bunch.
As I ran today...no N20, but my car still runs about 3.4 sec 0-60, and 11.7 at 123mph in the qtr. I was kind of bummed I didn't have my regular camera, but then remembered I could use the phone. So I took a video of one of the runs to give you an idea of how most of them looked. Things to note: As they waited to line up, you can hear the loud orange Cobra with his engine revving, ready to go, and by the end of the video, look at how far he left the black one behind in those few short seconds. In other words, you can analyze the video, and see the acceleration of my car is legit.

Hotrod, do you ever go to the drags at Fontana? I'm curious what you run there without NO2. I am thinking about going one of these weekends now that I have my meth set up. Haven't been to the drag strip in 10 years but am feeling the itch.

[georgelb]

Originally Posted by Quisp

No, I have heard from several mustang owners along with magazines and internet postings that the mustang is, or was, more of a straight liine car rather than something for a twisty mountain road,, that is what equates to the car not doing well in the twisties in general.

Fair enough...but the below is not that; the below is someone not knowing how to drive their car properly on the type of road they were on.

Originally Posted by Quisp

He went by me on the straight but i caught up and stuck on him. When the road got twisty he was all over the place and I could have passed but did not want to cause an accident so I backed off.

You took the above description and, by indicating to take 'stangs' into curves to beat them, categorically applied it to the way that all mustangs handle with drivers of all skill levels. I really don't care how much time this 'kid' has at a dragstrip, or what his numbers look like in a straight line...he clearly didn't know how to drive his car in this scenario.


Generally speaking though, I follow the same practice with all cars...take them on a road that requires more driver input and see what happens.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by Quisp

No, I have heard from several mustang owners along with magazines and internet postings that the mustang is, or was, more of a straight liine car rather than something for a twisty mountain road,, that is what equates to the car not doing well in the twisties in general.

the old Mustangs were.

nowadays, with the emergence of the 5.0, they have M3's running in fear of their lives in the twistes AND in a straight line.

true story - look it up

[hickoryE92]

Originally Posted by Litos

watch this video.

trade in your slow, non-spinning junk bimmer for one of these, then end thread.

hmmm. slow? junk? bimmer? those three words COULDN'T have been in the same sentence? After reading this whole thread seems that most everyone agrees that 'Stangs are good as sheer power and straight line; however, almost every single one of Litos posts are bashing every other car...

time for some of your own medicine...

A) Only people I have ever met with 'Stangs are complete redneck tools. Sorry, you can't counter me here because thats my opinion from personal experience. If you don't agree, congrats.
B) I would take that Supra from page 3 ANYDAY over a mustang.
C) And most importantly. Mustangs SUCK at handling... take a Stang and a BMW to a real road with turns and the BMW will rape the living ***t out of the mustang. I don't know who the hell said near the end of the thread that mustangs can handle turns but you take a 335i and a Mustang around a track and tell me which handles better.

I'm sorry for my rant but I could not believe anyone on this planet believes a mustang can handle turns... that is all.

[georgelb]

Originally Posted by alexp073

C) And most importantly. Mustangs SUCK at handling... take a Stang and a BMW to a real road with turns and the BMW will rape the living ***t out of the mustang. I don't know who the hell said near the end of the thread that mustangs can handle turns but you take a 335i and a Mustang around a track and tell me which handles better.

I'm sorry for my rant but I could not believe anyone on this planet believes a mustang can handle turns... that is all.

Just in case you have been living under rock, and aren't trolling...Take a look at this

[Litos]

i saw the post that you quoted me on and brushed it off because i was joking, but now you're just stupid.

Originally Posted by alexp073

C) And most importantly. Mustangs SUCK at handling... take a Stang and a BMW to a real road with turns and the BMW will rape the living ***t out of the mustang. I don't know who the hell said near the end of the thread that mustangs can handle turns but you take a 335i and a Mustang around a track and tell me which handles better.

I'm sorry for my rant but I could not believe anyone on this planet believes a mustang can handle turns... that is all.

a new 5.0 redneck hillbilly Mustang GT handles as good as the M3 - sorry dude.

the new Mustang 5.0 would blister your junk 335 and bury it 6 or 7 layers into the earth's crust.

it's been all over the car enthusiast world for about a year

let me help you out.

http://www.performanceprobe.com/foru...ad.php?t=39667

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

Originally Posted by Top Gear Enthusiast

Good for Ford! If someone were to give me one or the other, I’d take the M3 for a lot reasons but this has to make the M3 buyer ponder why he/she paid thousands more than a standard 3 series to get the performance package that allows the car to be about as good (performance wise) as a Ford Mustang GT.

for almost half the price you get better or equal performance with the new 5.0.

[TheAcAvenger]

Originally Posted by georgelb

Just in case you have been living under rock, and aren't trolling...Take a look at this

And people don't really understand that that's an M3. If it runs nearly identical to the M3... do they realize what it'd do to a lsd-less 335? Or a 328i with no sport pack and those weeny brakes?