[DanMardik]

Originally Posted by LOK11atXEDE

Well, maybe there's no need to read between any lines, I'll answer for you.

Yes, Vishnu was dropped! See that wasn't so hard to understand now was it!
Vishnu's exclusivity of supply of XEDE to the US market was ceased at the end of last year. Then the PROcede appeared. Now read between the lines?





There is nothing obsolete in the XEDE hardware in the AA XEDE. Any redesign of the XEDE hardware is about extended injector drive functions for vehicles like the twin turbo V8 Toyota RV's and expanding our diesel capabilities. The existing XEDE hardware is quite suitable for the 335 and runs very reliably in this application. The only thing obsolete now is the original mapping that Vishnu did for 335 XEDE. The Vishnu XEDE development stopped last year. Shiv did some excellent initial development then fumbled and dropped the ball. AA picked up the ball on the BMW front and ran with it. AA would not have been doing their due diligence if they had not checked what Vishnu had released before putting their products out into the market. AA needed to know what they would be required to do for existing Vishnu XEDE customers to convert them up to AA XEDE customers with the new firmware etc. That's what proper research and due diligence is about.

AA's tuning skills and implementation have created a fine, easy to install and reliable product for the 335. Shiv, nice VANOS discussion but I have not seen any tangible gains in VANOS control with this engine and gear dependant boost etc. is all about feature sets. Although it sounds very impressive, what result will the driver actually feel and experience with it?


Oh and Eugen, a faster CPU would be nice but won't affect the control outputs in this RPM range. Now if we do a version for a smaller engine reving to say 15,000RPM like a motor bike, I might have to move our 0.1degree timing accuracy back to say 1degree timing accuracy. A faster CPU will just make my engineers lazy

Regards
Lachlan Riddel
Technical Director
www.xede.com.

[OpenFlash]

ummm... yeah.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by LOK11atXEDE

Well, maybe there's no need to read between any lines, I'll answer for you.

Yes, Vishnu was dropped! See that wasn't so hard to understand now was it!
Vishnu's exclusivity of supply of XEDE to the US market was ceased at the end of last year. Then the PROcede appeared. Now read between the lines?





There is nothing obsolete in the XEDE hardware in the AA XEDE. Any redesign of the XEDE hardware is about extended injector drive functions for vehicles like the twin turbo V8 Toyota RV's and expanding our diesel capabilities. The existing XEDE hardware is quite suitable for the 335 and runs very reliably in this application. The only thing obsolete now is the original mapping that Vishnu did for 335 XEDE. The Vishnu XEDE development stopped last year. Shiv did some excellent initial development then fumbled and dropped the ball. AA picked up the ball on the BMW front and ran with it. AA would not have been doing their due diligence if they had not checked what Vishnu had released before putting their products out into the market. AA needed to know what they would be required to do for existing Vishnu XEDE customers to convert them up to AA XEDE customers with the new firmware etc. That's what proper research and due diligence is about.

AA's tuning skills and implementation have created a fine, easy to install and reliable product for the 335. Shiv, nice VANOS discussion but I have not seen any tangible gains in VANOS control with this engine and gear dependant boost etc. is all about feature sets. Although it sounds very impressive, what result will the driver actually feel and experience with it?


Oh and Eugen, a faster CPU would be nice but won't affect the control outputs in this RPM range. Now if we do a version for a smaller engine reving to say 15,000RPM like a motor bike, I might have to move our 0.1degree timing accuracy back to say 1degree timing accuracy. A faster CPU will just make my engineers lazy

Regards
Lachlan Riddel
Technical Director
www.xede.com.

As a consumer I'm not interested in the vanos control, but a MPH pickup could be pretty cool. At higher speed the intercooler is more efficent and the setup can probably take more timing vs. lower speeds. Something to consider for future releases!

With regard to processor speed, this is a real-time application so as long as the processor can keep up that's all that matters.

Yes, Vishnu was dropped! See that wasn't so hard to understand now was it!
Vishnu's exclusivity of supply of XEDE to the US market was ceased at the end of last year. Then the PROcede appeared. Now read between the lines?

It's either BS or it isn't. Which is it Shiv?

[lawdude]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...62&postcount=1

It was a surprise to us however to read on this very forum that Vishnu are going to use another manufacturer’s product in place of the XEDE to tune your vehicles, or indeed that there was ANY level of dissatisfaction with the XEDE product.

If you dropped Vishnu, what was the big surprise?

[SfValley335i]

so there you have it E90post readers. You've heard both sides of the story now you can make your choice.

**** It really does make sense that Shiv was dumped because he only wanted exclusivity with the Xede and when he didnt get that. His only choice was to move a "copy" of the Xede which is called PROcede.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

so there you have it E90post readers. You've heard both sides of the story now you can make your choice.

**** It really does make sense that Shiv was dumped because he only wanted exclusivity with the Xede and when he didnt get that. His only choice was to move a "copy" of the Xede which is called PROcede.

Copying a computer isn't really a quick and easy job. And improving upon it is even tougher. It's not something that you can decide upon and execute in short order. If you look back at my old posts, you will see me talking about an unnamed "hardware upgrade" back in November, months before any of this drama. It wasn't in our best interest to announce that we were changing platforms. But this is why we only released 20 or so beta Xedes despite all the pending orders we had on hand. All the facts are out there if you chose to look for them.

Originally Posted by lawdude

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...62&postcount=1

It was a surprise to us however to read on this very forum that Vishnu are going to use another manufacturer’s product in place of the XEDE to tune your vehicles, or indeed that there was ANY level of dissatisfaction with the XEDE product.

If you dropped Vishnu, what was the big surprise?

Lawdude chooses to look for them

-shiv

[homerunball]

I am a potential future customer for the Xede and/or AA and I've been following the Xede/Procede/AA/TT closely but can Shiv or anyone tell me why the post from LOK11atXEDE is BS? What about it is BS?

I would really like to know.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

[SfValley335i]

After using Xede for the past 3+ years, why didn't Shiv drop the Xede before starting his work on the 335i? I'm sure after 3 years you'd know if the product is getting old and be aware of new options. But he refused and continually used the Xede until a few months ago when he all of a sudden had a change of mind. (Or when the Xede manufacturer wanted others to sell xede aswell) Which was when Shiv began to say xede is outdated (Bashing) etc. And that he had a PROcede, which has more I/O's and "faster cpu"...

- Shiv never brought up Exclusivity as one of the reasons why he Supposedly left the Xede behind. Which makes sense since theres more than 1 Tunner selling the Xede now.

[MacAttack]

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by Terry335

It's either BS or it isn't. Which is it Shiv?

I've been reading this shit for hours today. I've got 3 observations, I guess from a non-participant.

1) in regard to Terry's above comment, what the hell do you care?
2) if there is to be anything close to an intelligent conversation on this thread, terry should leave asap.
3) i've read every op, and every thread on this site regarding xede vs procede. My conclusion, shiv, see ya at the Vancouver procede install dyno day.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

After using Xede for the past 3+ years, why didn't Shiv drop the Xede before starting his work on the 335i? I'm sure after 3 years you'd know if the product is getting old and be aware of new options. But he refused and continually used the Xede until a few months ago when he all of a sudden had a change of mind. (Or when the Xede manufacturer wanted others to sell xede aswell) Which was when Shiv began to say xede is outdated (Bashing) etc. And that he had a PROcede, which has more I/O's and "faster cpu"...

- Shiv never brought up Exclusivity as one of the reasons why he Supposedly left the Xede behind. Which makes sense since theres more than 1 Tunner selling the Xede now.

Why the drama? So far it seems like the Procede users are happy and the Xede users are happy.

[OpenFlash]

It's funny how threads regarding factual differences between the PROcede and Xede turn into psuedo-political conspiracy theories with regards to who broke up with who.

Do your research. Pick the product that fits your needs best. And drive your car.

shiv

[rflow]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Why the drama? So far it seems like the Procede users are happy and the Xede users are happy.

Hey bro what happened to staying on the fence ?
To hard to resist posting.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by rflow

Hey bro what happened to staying on the fence ?
To hard to resist posting.

Ah my old friend rflow. Glad you showed up to help me put a lid on it.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by normtrum

I've been reading this shit for hours today. I've got 3 observations, I guess from a non-participant.

1) in regard to Terry's above comment, what the hell do you care?
2) if there is to be anything close to an intelligent conversation on this thread, terry should leave asap.
3) i've read every op, and every thread on this site regarding xede vs procede. My conclusion, shiv, see ya at the Vancouver procede install dyno day.

I don't really care but it's become a question in this discussion and instead of giving a firm response Shiv just posts vague "Smilies". I just don't get it.

I also don't see the basis for comment 2.

[Ruff Rider]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's funny how threads regarding factual differences between the PROcede and Xede turn into psuedo-political conspiracy theories with regards to who broke up with who.

Do your research. Pick the product that fits your needs best. And drive your car.

shiv

Shiv that is to easy. What will these guys do if they can't bash some one or something. I did my research and I"M very happy with my choice.

[Ninjaneer]

Originally Posted by MacAttack

+1

Originally Posted by lawdude

If you dropped Vishnu, what was the big surprise?

Nice find

Originally Posted by lawdude

Ah my old friend rflow. Glad you showed up to help me put a lid on it.

You guys are hilarious

I think someone can make a movie out of all this... 2-3 tuning competitors, the characters and fan boys of each, the conspiracy theories... The Fast and The Furious: Tuner Envy

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Ninjaneer

You guys are hilarious

Thanks. Usually my attempts at humor are about as funny as a fart in a spacesuit.

[LOK11atXEDE]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's funny how threads regarding factual differences between the PROcede and Xede turn into psuedo-political conspiracy theories with regards to who broke up with who.

Do your research. Pick the product that fits your needs best. And drive your car.

shiv

Hey Guys, all my comments are factual!

Originally Posted by lawdude

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...62&postcount=1

It was a surprise to us however to read on this very forum that Vishnu are going to use another manufacturer’s product in place of the XEDE to tune your vehicles, or indeed that there was ANY level of dissatisfaction with the XEDE product.

If you dropped Vishnu, what was the big surprise?

Hey, you got me there. I'm sorry that I hadn't looked at this forum last year or even this year until that post. Vishnu had 4 years of exclusivity over the XEDE that ended on December 31 2006. I had not figured that losing exclusivity and having other respected tuners sell the product would make Vishnu and Shiv "back door" us and take all of the work we did for the XEDE development to one of our interceptor competitors - Haltech - to make the PROcede. I honestly didn't see Shiv doing that until it happened. Maybe Shiv feels the same about not having the XEDE exclusivity contract extended. Doing business is full of commercial realities and that's just one. Still, now there's some competition in the marketplace hey.

Now is anyone actually interested in a comparing the features of the units or is innuendo a more fun topic.

Let me say I agree with Shiv's comment above.
"Pick the product that fits your needs best. And drive your car."

Lachlan

[OpenFlash]

bah... sour grapes. There was only one guy trying to backdoor anything and it wasn't me. You know what i'm talking about, right lachlan? I hope everything works out for you and your soon-to-be-redesigned product.

Shiv

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by LOK11atXEDE

Now is anyone actually interested in a comparing the features of the units or is innuendo a more fun topic.


Lachlan

I'd be thrilled if someone would compare the specs (in technical AND laymans terms please) of each unit. Please do us the honors LOK11atXEDE. I know many of us would be very appreciative.