[trickydick]

So you can't download new maps to the AA on your own? You have to send it in? That alone is worth the extra 200.00 for the procede. That is part of the fun with the procede, when a new map is available it is just plug and play. To me customer service means so much, Shiv and his staff have answered so many of my retarted questions and I have even been able to talk to Shiv for step by step instructions. Shiv is always on this forum answering questions. I am thrilled with my procede(wife refuses to ride in the car with me cause it scares her when I throttle it,haha) So if anybody is on the fence, you will not be dissapointed. Not taking anything away from AA, just a realy happy procede owner.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by trickydick

So you can't download new maps to the AA on your own? You have to send it in? That alone is worth the extra 200.00 for the procede. That is part of the fun with the procede, when a new map is available it is just plug and play. To me customer service means so much, Shiv and his staff have answered so many of my retarted questions and I have even been able to talk to Shiv for step by step instructions. Shiv is always on this forum answering questions. I am thrilled with my procede(wife refuses to ride in the car with me cause it scares her when I throttle it,haha) So if anybody is on the fence, you will not be dissapointed. Not taking anything away from AA, just a realy happy procede owner.

+1. I didn't know AA requires you to send in the XEDE for updates...I agree, that's just bogus. Even with Shiv's old XEDE, manual s/w updates could be easily downloaded. I wonder why AA isn't allowing for this option (or maybe they are but they just prefer the XEDE unit be shipped back???). Anyway, although the current USB-Serial cable downloads to the PROcede are easy enough, a cool wireless bluetooth connection will be convenient...looking forward to that!!!!

[Walked U]

Hahah this is a crazy ass thread. Better then watching TGIF when I was younger. hahahah

Dont you guys know your not suppose to cannibalize each other.

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by trickydick

I am thrilled with my procede(wife refuses to ride in the car with me cause it scares her when I throttle it,haha)

That's funny - my wife is the same way. When she's in the car and I punch it, she shuts her eyes. And I won't even have my procede installed till Saturday!

[schneid4323]

I just wanna point out one thing for AA and anyone else who is totally blind...

Shiv used the Xede processor at one point but converted to a better constructed better opperating PROcede.

I have seen both board outside of there weather resistant casing side by side, Shiv showed these board to Mat and I in Texas. The PROcede is obviously better constructed to anyone who has even bothered to look at a circuit board, also the PROcede allowed Shiv to adjust more variables (Which inturn creates a more reliable, less flawed, and higher potential secondary ECU).

Do what you want with your own car, but keep in mind that Shiv's R&D and field testing (Aka beta testers) concluded that the PROcede is better then the former XEDE.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Where did you get that 1.55 factor?
Sure it's close, but not that close. .2 tenths off is like 2+ car lengths.
Just happens to be how much I beat a TT manual coupe by in those 40-110 mph runs, even with more weight in my car.
Maybe 1.57 would be a better factor to multiply by.

...

That's why I say, 1/8th mile tracks are more about launching and traction than speed, and you can't determine which car is faster if one beats the other to the 1/8th mile stripe because it got better traction.

It doesn't work for MPH, only ET. It's very accurate, you said you ran 13.03, the formula comes out to 13.06. Sure if a car really is spinning the entire 1/8th mile it won't work, but almost all cars hookup shortly after the 60' mark, and you can predict their 1/4 based on their 1/8th.

I got 1.55 by taking other 335 slips and dividing the 1/4 mile ET by the 1/8th mile ET. On my fbodies, I used to use 1.575 (they're stronger in the 1/8th weaker in the 1/4th compared to the 335).

Find more time slips and lets see if you can buck the trend (letting off doesn't count, and really high HP cars like 800rwhp imports also don't work well)

[schneid4323]

I just read over the rest of this thread.... all I can say is I am disappointed.

I have always thought as AA as the leader in BMW aftermarket engineering, until their service manager Omar (dont even care what his name is anymore) showed his true colors.

Sorry AA, Shiv won this battle let him have it and stop wasting your man hours and company reputation trying to put his work down. (You still won the war, seeing how this is BMW's only FI car in 20 years and Shiv doesnt do NA motors)

Just let it die, its a little retarded and its not helping either one of you with sales because frankly everyone from AA on this post sounds like a whining little girl (Which doesnt speak wonders for you or your product).

This isnt competition anymore its more like a case of David and Golliath, and frankly David (Shiv) is winning.




P.S. My house is wired, and some of the harnesses have electrical tape on them...... Can you come make it better Omar?

And i just realised who the other AA poster is. I've meet Jean in person before, my first impression didnt match this display of immaturity.

[PresaMat]

Originally Posted by schneid4323

I just wanna point out one thing for AA and anyone else who is totally blind...

Shiv used the Xede processor at one point but converted to a better constructed better opperating PROcede.

I have seen both board outside of there weather resistant casing side by side, Shiv showed these board to Mat and I in Texas. The PROcede is obviously better constructed to anyone who has even bothered to look at a circuit board, also the PROcede allowed Shiv to adjust more variables (Which inturn creates a more reliable, less flawed, and higher potential secondary ECU).

Do what you want with your own car, but keep in mind that Shiv's R&D and field testing (Aka beta testers) concluded that the PROcede is better then the former XEDE.

I definately agree with Schneid. He and I both saw the internals of the XEDE vs the ProCEDE. It is kinda like looking at the difference between a 386 motherboard and a new Intel XEON motherboard. BIG difference.

Mat

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by PresaMat

It is kinda like looking at the difference between a 386 motherboard and a new Intel XEON motherboard. BIG difference.

Mat

... Say what? Laymen terms please

[schneid4323]

Originally Posted by Walked U

... Say what? Laymen terms please

The Xede board looks like shit next to the PROcede board. (It would smack you in the face even if you didnt know anything about circuitry)

[e46hijinks]

I'd rather buy Shiv's products. Let's face it, they pioneered the mod revolution for the 335i (at least as far as engine management goes) and helped assist the 335i in becoming as popular as it is today -- especially in the online community. This isn't a knock on AA, but a +1 for Shiv.

[Ryan@Motorwerks]

AA harness doesn't need tape- whoop-de-do!

[coaster]

We can summarize this thing by stating the following:

For Shiv:

(1) Shiv is the current MARKET LEADER for 335i piggybacks since he has sold more units than all others combined

(2) Has traveled all-over the country personally tuning customers cars which resulted in a better product design and great customer loyalty.

(3) Has spent countless hours on these forums from DAY ONE giving excellent technical explanations on the entire process of tuning and his technical approach thus developing trust for his product amongst the forum membership

(4) On the negative side it appeared that Shiv wasn't entirely forthcoming on the details of his divorce from the XEDE folks. Although he didn't have to, his perfect image up to that point got a bit "smeared" as a result.


For AA:

(1) Late to the market with similar product giving about the same performance BUT for $200 less!!! (But for that extra $200 Shiv's product promises to come with free upgrades containing more features.)


That's pretty much it. The rest is pure BS. Each of us can make their own choice.

As for me I am still waiting for the 2008 335's to come which I hope will have a new fuel pump design and the missing oil cooler will no longer be missing.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by schneid4323

The Xede board looks like shit next to the PROcede board. (It would smack you in the face even if you didnt know anything about circuitry)

Been wanting to use that one for awhile.

[-Ryan-]

AA, can you confirm that the xede will have to be shipped back to you everytime a software upgrade is needed? Are the upgrades free? What about the shipping costs? That could be a big issue when deciding between the two systems.


I don't know if I love or hate the bickering between the two companies but I got to admit it's pretty entertaining.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

Shiv I beg you to convince this board that a company that has been tuning NA BMW's into Force Induced BMW's for 25 years would not jump on one that came FI from the factory. That is ridiculous.

Omar-- with all due respect, I don't have to convince anyone of anything. Against my better judgement, I'm just going to state the facts (all of which are easily supported by evidence):

-AA immediately started soliciting my customers after our South Florida dyno day to leave their cars with them so you can see what we did to make those power gains. Am I wrong? I'll be happy to PM you names if you want me to refresh your memory.

-AA failing to bring to market an ECU reflash that they were working on diligently. Even your beta tester, rflow, stated a couple of weeks ago that he is looking forward to remove the Xede in favor of your ECU reflash that you guys are still working on. I can find the link to his post if you'd like.

-Chiptorque (xede manufacturer) actively soliciting me and my employees for 335i mapping, firmware, and Xede set-up data (presumably for you). Even after we abandoned further development of the Xede in favor of the PROcede. I have emails and I'll be happy to post them if this becomes a point of argument.

We just finished making an AEM standalone ECU work as a piggback a E46 M3.

That's an awesome idea. Running a stand alone with a factory computer. Unfortunately, I did that ~10 years ago and documented it in print. And I don't recall ever patting myself on the back for being the first to do it (that I know of, at least)
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr..._xi/index.html

Do you honestly think that making a harness for a piggyback with a few other "tricks" is more difficult. Dont fool yourself for one second. Being humble isnt always a bad thing.

No, but being ignorant always is. I'm guessing you're not one of the people who have been at AA for 25 years. Sounds like you are a reasonably young, energetic newcomer. And God bless you. You play a vital role in any business. But be careful when it comes to writing checks you can't cash. Because when your misplaced claims and taunts are answered with silence, it doesn't necessary mean that you are winning. Instead, it usually means that your target is deciding whether or not to tear open a super-sized bag of whoopass. In this case, you got a value meal. But keep it up and things may change.

Before you hit that Reply button with what you believe to be a convincing argument or thoughtful retort, I highly encourage you to stop, take a few breathes and confer with your employer.

Shiv

[schneid4323]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Omar-- with all due respect, I don't have to convince anyone of anything. Against my better judgement, I'm just going to state the facts (all of which are easily supported by evidence):

-AA immediately started soliciting my customers after our South Florida dyno day to leave their cars with them so you can see what we did to make those power gains. Am I wrong? I'll be happy to PM you names if you want me to refresh your memory.

-AA failing to bring to market an ECU reflash that they were working on diligently. Even your beta tester, rflow, stated a couple of weeks ago that he is looking forward to remove the Xede in favor of your ECU reflash that you guys are still working on. I can find the link to his post if you'd like.

-Chiptorque actively soliciting me and my employees for 335i mapping and set-up data. Even after we abandoned further development of the Xede in favor of the PROcede. I have emails and I'll be happy to post them if this becomes a point of argument.



That's an awesome idea. Running a stand alone with a factory computer. Unfortunately, I did that 8 years ago and documented it in print. And I don't recall ever patting myself on the back for being the first to do it (that I know of, at least)
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr..._xi/index.html



No, but being ignorant always is. I'm guessing you're not one of the people who have been at AA for 25 years. Sounds like you are a reasonably young, energetic newcomer. And God bless you. You play a vital role in any business. But be careful when it comes to writing checks you can't cash. Because when your misplaced claims and taunts are answered with silence, it doesn't necessary mean that you are winning. Instead, it usually means that your target is deciding whether or not to tear open a super-sized bag of whoopass. In this case, you got a value meal. But keep it up and things may change.

Before you hit that Reply button with what you believe to be a convincing argument or thoughtful retort, I highly encourage you to stop, take a few breathes and confer with your employer.

Shiv

I didnt realize californians were good at debate

[mayno]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Omar-- with all due respect, I don't have to convince anyone of anything. Against my better judgement, I'm just going to state the facts (all of which are easily supported by evidence):

-AA immediately started soliciting my customers after our South Florida dyno day to leave their cars with them so you can see what we did to make those power gains. Am I wrong? I'll be happy to PM you names if you want me to refresh your memory.

-AA failing to bring to market an ECU reflash that they were working on diligently. Even your beta tester, rflow, stated a couple of weeks ago that he is looking forward to remove the Xede in favor of your ECU reflash that you guys are still working on. I can find the link to his post if you'd like.

-Chiptorque actively soliciting me and my employees for 335i mapping and set-up data. Even after we abandoned further development of the Xede in favor of the PROcede. I have emails and I'll be happy to post them if this becomes a point of argument.



That's an awesome idea. Running a stand alone with a factory computer. Unfortunately, I did that 8 years ago and documented it in print. And I don't recall ever patting myself on the back for being the first to do it (that I know of, at least)
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr..._xi/index.html



No, but being ignorant always is. I'm guessing you're not one of the people who have been at AA for 25 years. Sounds like you are a reasonably young, energetic newcomer. And God bless you. You play a vital role in any business. But be careful when it comes to writing checks you can't cash. Because when your misplaced claims and taunts are answered with silence, it doesn't necessary mean that you are winning. Instead, it usually means that your target is deciding whether or not to tear open a super-sized bag of whoopass. In this case, you got a value meal. But keep it up and things may change.

Before you hit that Reply button with what you believe to be a convincing argument or thoughtful retort, I highly encourage you to stop, take a few breathes and confer with your employer.

Shiv

wow! Shiv, just pulled out the heavy artillery!

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by schneid4323

I didnt realize californians were good at debate

I'm from New Jersey

Originally Posted by mayno

wow! Shiv, just pulled out the heavy artillery!

That was just the warning shot.

Shiv

[IMJUSS2NASTY]

Kick their asssss Shiv

[E90ice]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Well, it's not just the CL, it's the fact that in every run we did, I WAS pulling away. On every run that we started evenly, I would begin to pull a bit, then he'd creep up when I shifted, then I would begin to pull a bit more when he shifted, and the gap just kept getting wider. To the tune of 2+ CL's in the 40-110 runs we did several times.
Had the speeds continued the gap would have widened.
That's pulling, and that's what my PROceded sedan did, even with carrying more weight.

Unless the driver of the MT 335 is a professinal driver, I don't think he would be able to change gears as fast as your AT. Even half a second lost is a big deal in a race againt an awesome AT transmission.

I'm not saying the TT is faster or even as fast as the Procedee, but we should compare AT vs AT, or it could be just a drivers race.

If you were to live in the WA area, i'd be more than happy to race your Procedee sedan. I'm sure I would lose, but not by much.

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

I've also owned a Turbo Tuner and now a AA Xede. I can say both feel the same from 1k-2800rpm but at about 3k to 6500 rpm the Xede shines. B]

Suddenly it makes sense how you made 300WHP/338lb-ft W torque at the Church Dyno day I knew it.It also shows in your graphs your line doesn't even look stock thanks for clearing that up now tho..