[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by Schnitzel

And that's the problem that we guys over the sea face at the moment. I would be grateful to have a Cobb base tune for my procede piggy. Terry

The sea doesn't mean anything unless you plan to ship by sea
Air freight is not any slower from Bavaria than shipping from within US.

[nafoo]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The problem is that ATR doesn't have access to some of the maps we modify in our flash. I suspect this is responsible for the results we have been able to get with straight e85. There will be another flash transport device out relatively soon if sending your DME to us isn't an option.

Care to share which maps you're referring to?

[dozer008]

I would say apples to oranges. The modern consumer on this board is running moderate bolt-ons maxing out at around 350-370 HP. Maybe 15 percent are running meth. And a simple 5 percent are running an RB set-up pushing above 400-500 hp. Every tune has pros and cons and I respect Cobb for letting his work speak for itself. If I was an owner such as Rob Shiv or Terry I would be very leary of getting involved in a pissing match. At the end of the day anybody would be happy with any of these products just boils down to your goals,money flash or piggyback.

[Glowin]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The problem is that ATR doesn't have access to some of the maps we modify in our flash. I suspect this is responsible for the results we have been able to get with straight e85.

Originally Posted by nafoo

Care to share which maps you're referring to?

I'd love to hear from Shiv on this, and he's the first to ask for transparency on this stuff.

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Since you brought it up publicly, I think its only fair to discuss it publicly. And maybe, as you suggest, provide proof of such an phenomenon so the rest of us can benefit. In the spirit of full disclosure and reciprocity, I'll attempt to collect some logs comparing Cobb boost control to that of the Procede.

Shiv

[shaginwagon13]

Originally Posted by nickkg37s

I know most people hate these kind of debates, but I love them! Lol They're interesting and informative to a degree. Competition will keep this platform moving forward.

haha +1

I learn lots hearing Rob and Shiv go at it.