[stamonkey]

Understood. I'd be happy to PayPal you some beer/eBay DME money if it helps.

[Terraphantm]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

I think for testing, I'd rather it be somebody local because if you're in Florida or something and it goes wrong, there's nothing Terra or I will be able to do for you.

You and I should probably at least learn how to change the secret key on the CAS if we don't figure out an EWS delete shortly. Because the reality is even with someone local, if something fucks up, there isn't much we can do without being able to do something about EWS.

With that said, I'm confident my tune and RSA delete files are sound (definitely sound enough to not permabrick anything). But regardless, these tricore DMEs are unfortunately much easier to hard brick than the MPC ones, so care has to be taken before offering tools that can allow customizations.

[rjahl]

Probably trivial information at this point in the game but I helped build a file for a 523I NE 31 with the 2.5 Liter N52, in the process I looked at a few of the standard maps and noticed the full load lambda maps are the leanest I've seen.

Of course he likes the new NE53 525I based map, should be worth a 30KW jump from the 130KW stock map.

[hassmaschine]

wow yeah, those are like 15:1 at full load. Perfectly fine on a low strung N/A 323i, but not the best for power.

[rjahl]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

wow yeah, those are like 15:1 at full load. Perfectly fine on a low strung N/A 323i, but not the best for power.

Ya but this is in a heavy 523i.

At least it's a manual transmission.

Can't imagine why BMW would neuter this car so badly.

[hassmaschine]

well, as far as fine - I meant safe for the engine, lol. It sucks for wanting to move. I bet fuel economy is great though..

[DickBlisken]

Originally Posted by Nico87

I've never used it, but I catch on fast. I'll PM you.

Been slammed with work but I'm hoping to flash this on the weekend. A little bit hesitant that I'm going to brick my MSV80 though. Is that a real possibility?

Part of me doesn't want to risk it, as it's my DD.

[hassmaschine]

If you can wait, I would - one potential issue is the firmware that comes on the $20 D-Can cables. We haven't personally experienced an issue with it and MSV80 (my brick was due to mistake on my part), but we know for sure it sends corrupt data to MSS6x (bricking it of course), and it's slower to flash as well - it's just a little sketchy.

I might pick up a few cables to modify with an updated firmware that is faster and doesn't have the data corruption issues. I did mine this weekend, and it's working great - but again, the modification isn't exactly a straight forward process.

Currently there's no way to recover a bricked MSV80, so if you don't mind paying for an updated cable, or send yours to me to fix, it's probably worth doing.

[DickBlisken]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

If you can wait, I would - one potential issue is the firmware that comes on the $20 D-Can cables. We haven't personally experienced an issue with it and MSV80 (my brick was due to mistake on my part), but we know for sure it sends corrupt data to MSS6x (bricking it of course), and it's slower to flash as well - it's just a little sketchy.

I might pick up a few cables to modify with an updated firmware that is faster and doesn't have the data corruption issues. I did mine this weekend, and it's working great - but again, the modification isn't exactly a straight forward process.

Currently there's no way to recover a bricked MSV80, so if you don't mind paying for an updated cable, or send yours to me to fix, it's probably worth doing.

PM'd you

[JohnG7]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

If you can wait, I would - one potential issue is the firmware that comes on the $20 D-Can cables. We haven't personally experienced an issue with it and MSV80 (my brick was due to mistake on my part), but we know for sure it sends corrupt data to MSS6x (bricking it of course), and it's slower to flash as well - it's just a little sketchy.

I might pick up a few cables to modify with an updated firmware that is faster and doesn't have the data corruption issues. I did mine this weekend, and it's working great - but again, the modification isn't exactly a straight forward process.

Currently there's no way to recover a bricked MSV80, so if you don't mind paying for an updated cable, or send yours to me to fix, it's probably worth doing.

Yikes, at least it was a spare. I think I might just keep an eye open for a spare MSV80, I know how I break things.

All this work is appreciated guys.

[hassmaschine]

Well, a spare wont help - yet. An EWS4 delete is in the works, as well as being able to write the EWS4 secret key, but we aren't there yet. If you bricked your 328i today, you'd have a 3600lb paperweight.

[rjahl]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Well, a spare wont help - yet. An EWS4 delete is in the works, as well as being able to write the EWS4 secret key, but we aren't there yet. If you bricked your 328i today, you'd have a 3600lb paperweight.

I have someone telling me that he can flash the MSV80 with a T-BOOT with Breakbox v2 from MagicMotorsport. TPROT password and ISN change

I have no idea how much that costs but maybe it can help. He's looking for the powerclass byte location in the bin and I don't have time look for it. Trying to stay focused on current project.

[Terraphantm]

Originally Posted by JohnG7

Yikes, at least it was a spare. I think I might just keep an eye open for a spare MSV80, I know how I break things.

All this work is appreciated guys.

Well as long as you have a cable with the improved firmware (or an ICOM), any file that hass or I release publicly should be safe. Should also be safe if you have a K-line car even without the improved firmware. We wouldn't release something without making sure it doesn't brick our own devices. It's more DIY tuning that's the risk - it'll take us some time to make tools that will facilitate self tuning while minimizing the brick risk.

I am also looking into ways of recovering bricked DMEs on the bench.

[JohnG7]

Originally Posted by Terraphantm

Well as long as you have a cable with the improved firmware (or an ICOM), any file that hass or I release publicly should be safe. Should also be safe if you have a K-line car even without the improved firmware. We wouldn't release something without making sure it doesn't brick our own devices. It's more DIY tuning that's the risk - it'll take us some time to make tools that will facilitate self tuning while minimizing the brick risk.

I am also looking into ways of recovering bricked DMEs on the bench.

It's not you guys work that worries me, I have ways of making malfunctions happen (bricked a motronic DME and it's still bricked).
I have a handful of DCan cables, need to ensure I prove mine before trying anything. How do I verify I have the correct chipset (or firmware)?

Once the path is safe, I'd like to acquire a spare MSV80 (if I find one at the right price), having a cloned spare is affordable insurance. If a remote possibility of bricking one exists, a spare DME might help my confidence. This is interesting in many ways.

Is there an easy way to identify our DCan as being one you guys recommend?

[Terraphantm]

Currently it's impossible to clone an MSV80. And a "perfect" clone is likely impossible unless you replace the CPU (which is very very difficult).

99.9% that your cable doesn't have the improved firmware if you didn't flash it yourself.

[Levanime]

I can change ISN/SK in MSV7*/MSD8* if someone will need it

[Terraphantm]

Originally Posted by Levanime

I can change ISN/SK in MSV7*/MSD8* if someone will need it

Can you change the SK on the actual MSx8x or do you just write the new SK to the CAS module? I know the latter can be done, but I thought the former isn't doable because the SK is stored in the OTP section as far as I knew. If that sector is not actually marked OTP, then that opens up some possibilities.

[JohnG7]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Well, a spare wont help - yet. An EWS4 delete is in the works, as well as being able to write the EWS4 secret key, but we aren't there yet. If you bricked your 328i today, you'd have a 3600lb paperweight.

If someone bricks their MSV80 DME, would they be forced to buy a new virgin DME and get a dealer to set it up? (at this point)?

When I bricked my Porsche, it was dead (a paperweight) till I purchased a new DME and installed it. Wasn't the end of all, but dropped a quick grand. Is a bad feeling I prefer not feeling again. I thought I bricked this DME when my battery shorted during my last tune install (with charger hooked up and charging- never understood that one either). This is why I'm a little paranoid.

Hass, have another question, will PM you.

I like my n52, this keeps the interests alive.

[hassmaschine]

Yes. But technically there could be ways around it.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by JohnG7

If someone bricks their MSV80 DME, would they be forced to buy a new virgin DME and get a dealer to set it up? (at this point)?

When I bricked my Porsche, it was dead (a paperweight) till I purchased a new DME and installed it. Wasn't the end of all, but dropped a quick grand. Is a bad feeling I prefer not feeling again. I thought I bricked this DME when my battery shorted during my last tune install (with charger hooked up and charging- never understood that one either). This is why I'm a little paranoid.

Hass, have another question, will PM you.

I like my n52, this keeps the interests alive.

There are shops out there that can repair a bricked ecu. I've used these guys before with good experience:

http://www.rmsonlinestore.com/main.sc

[hassmaschine]

They can do MPC5xx based ECUs (MS45, MSV70, etc) but there's nothing for TriCore, which includes MSV80 and MSD80.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

They can do MPC5xx based ECUs (MS45, MSV70, etc) but there's nothing for TriCore, which includes MSV80 and MSD80.

This guy apparently got his bricked msv80 reprogrammed by them

http://www.rmsonlinestore.com/BMW-MS...owReviews=true