Mike/Terry, can you please join this discussion?

Forcefed3 · 02-27-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ensi

And scene, 1 vote to lock this thread, it's like a train wreck that I can't help but watch......same info restated and torn apart over and over again.

Freedom of speech

Morpheus · 02-27-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

I keep hearing about this customer service, its good to get an quick answer. However, if something is developed correctly, there is not need to get intouch with whoever made it in the first place. If I buy a flat screen from sony, I am not calling them to figure out why its not working. It works, its crisp, and I enjoy using it.

I keep hearing about this customer service, its good to get an quick answer. However, if something is developed correctly, there is not need to get intouch with whoever made it in the first place. If I buy a juice box from BMS, I am not calling them to figure out why its not working. It works, its fast, and I enjoy using it

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Morpheus · 02-27-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

people should read this a couple of times incase they dont understand it the first time. Then they should realize that shifterboy has access to bmw files.

Where are all of these ringing ears then?

Clap135 · 02-27-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus

I keep hearing about this customer service, its good to get an quick answer. However, if something is developed correctly, there is not need to get intouch with whoever made it in the first place. If I buy a juice box from BMS, I am calling them to figure out why its knocking. It sorta works, its sorta fast, and I enjoy using it

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Seems like you left a couple things out. I got you though

Morpheus · 02-27-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

Seems like you left a couple things out. I got you though

I'm just glad the pioneer elite guys aren't calling you out on the crappy sony you bought

Clap135 · 02-27-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus

I'm just glad the pioneer elite guys aren't calling you out on the crappy sony you bought

its a good thing im stairing at my samsung then. Keep trying.

Morpheus · 02-27-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

its a good thing im stairing at my samsung then. Keep trying.

LOL, my bad. Samsung then.

Clap135 · 02-27-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus

LOL, my bad. I was wrong again.

I got you again

Morpheus · 02-27-2011, 11:17 AM

really surprised this thread is still here, but looks like ronin's circle jerk thread is falling off the front page. what's wrong? you guys getting lateral epicondylitis?

Forcefed3 · 02-27-2011, 11:18 AM

This thread will never die. I say 10 more pages.

Clap135 · 02-27-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus

really surprised this thread is still here, but looks like ronin's circle jerk thread is falling off the front page. what's wrong? you guys getting lateral epicondylitis?

Ill give a daily bump from here on out, just for you buddy.

Forcefed3 · 02-27-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

Ill give a daily bump from here on out, just for you buddy.

Might as well just sticky it then.

love2drive · 02-27-2011, 02:00 PM

Trying to put this in perspective. NOT saying this is correct... just read dozens of pages and trying to test my understanding:

*JB4* knocks a few times each time one goes WOT to determine correct timing. (I say "knock" but I mean "hears the knock/pre-knock/whatever means timing needs to be backed off. Same below when I say "knock") Does not store a new timing table. Can reduce boost under autotuning to avoid knock and does store that setting. But probably tries to increase boost from time to time until it knocks again, but this reduces the frequency of knock. So, JB4 will see some minimal amount of knock on each WOT unless autotuning is being used.

*Procede* knocks when you go WOT to determine autotuning timing settings. Does store a new table to avoid knock on subsequent pulls. Probably tries to advance settings from time to time until it knocks again, but this reduces the frequency of knock. So, Procede will see knock only occasionally when autotuning is looking for correct settings. ???or does it store the tables based on the first pull and never look at advancing timing again???

*COBB* the factory makes a timing table based on their car, which is a conservative table, to avoid knock. COBB AP also increases timing to look for knock the first WOT or so and then rewrites the table. ???was I even close there???

Again, just trying to sum it up and I'm sure I got stuff wrong above so please correct me.

Clap135 · 02-27-2011, 03:15 PM

JB knocks because the car will want to hit stock timing
procede, offsets timing prior to wot, if the car knocks or coniditions change, the timing is further offset
Cobb, changes the timing table all together, if it is too aggressive and knocks, it works like a jb, however the timing targe is already alot lower then the jb/stock timing curve.

ianthegreat · 02-27-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gbreeE90

I dont think the JB is doing massive damage. I just think it is going to accumulate over time. I think in a few years we will see failures.

So in 7 years and we'll finally see failures.. not bad for a racecar. Hell, i'll have even paid the car off at .9%

Forcefed3 · 02-27-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ianthegreat

So in 7 years and we'll finally see failures.. not bad for a racecar. Hell, i'll have even paid the car off at .9%

Sooner than 7 years, and I wouldnt consider this a race car at all. If you want to take the risk, go for it, I dont care.

ianthegreat · 02-27-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Sooner than 7 years, and I wouldnt consider this a race car at all. If you want to take the risk, go for it, I dont care.

You quoted someone that said in 4 years no failures. Then you said in a few more years we'll start to see them. That is where I pulled 7 from.

And don't downplay our 335i's. They are racecars ok.

Forcefed3 · 02-27-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ianthegreat

You quoted someone that said in 4 years no failures. Then you said in a few more years we'll start to see them. That is where I pulled 7 from.

And don't downplay our 335i's. They are racecars ok.

The JB3 hasnt been out all of those years though. And if the 335i is your definition of race car, fine. If you want to use JB that is also fine.

ianthegreat · 02-27-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gbreeE90

The JB3 hasnt been out all of those years though. And if the 335i is your definition of race car, fine. If you want to use JB that is also fine.

A JB variant for the most part has been available. True, I've run a JBx for the majority of the time...but have tried most everything. Although, I have not run the v5 yet, need to get on that.

Forcefed3 · 02-27-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ianthegreat

A JB variant for the most part has been available. True, I've run a JBx for the majority of the time...but have tried most everything. Although, I have not run the v5 yet, need to get on that.

If you consider the Terry tuner a tune then yes, JB has been out pretty much all 4 years.

BrianMN · 02-27-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gbreeE90

If you consider the Terry tuner a tune then yes, JB has been out pretty much all 4 years.

Search "Terry335" and see what you find. You'll see someone getting a lot of info from Shiv et al on what's needed to create a radio-shack resistor setup for 2 dollars. So if that TerryTooner is something considered a "JB Variant", then I guess you've lost sight of what a Tune is.

Forcefed3 · 02-27-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianMN

Search "Terry335" and see what you find. You'll see someone getting a lot of info from Shiv et al on what's needed to create a radio-shack resistor setup for 2 dollars. So if that TerryTooner is something considered a "JB Variant", then I guess you've lost sight of what a Tune is.

I dont consider than a JB variant though. I think you may have misread my post?

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Morpheus Captain 26 Rep 941 Posts Drives: 335i Titanium Silver Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cockaigne iTrader: (1)	really surprised this thread is still here, but looks like ronin's circle jerk thread is falling off the front page. what's wrong? you guys getting lateral epicondylitis?
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love2drive keeps cars too long. 8 Rep 74 Posts Drives: 2007 E90 335i Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago iTrader: (3)	Trying to put this in perspective. NOT saying this is correct... just read dozens of pages and trying to test my understanding: JB4 knocks a few times each time one goes WOT to determine correct timing. (I say "knock" but I mean "hears the knock/pre-knock/whatever means timing needs to be backed off. Same below when I say "knock") Does not store a new timing table. Can reduce boost under autotuning to avoid knock and does store that setting. But probably tries to increase boost from time to time until it knocks again, but this reduces the frequency of knock. So, JB4 will see some minimal amount of knock on each WOT unless autotuning is being used. Procede knocks when you go WOT to determine autotuning timing settings. Does store a new table to avoid knock on subsequent pulls. Probably tries to advance settings from time to time until it knocks again, but this reduces the frequency of knock. So, Procede will see knock only occasionally when autotuning is looking for correct settings. ???or does it store the tables based on the first pull and never look at advancing timing again??? COBB the factory makes a timing table based on their car, which is a conservative table, to avoid knock. COBB AP also increases timing to look for knock the first WOT or so and then rewrites the table. ???was I even close there??? Again, just trying to sum it up and I'm sure I got stuff wrong above so please correct me.
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Clap135 Brigadier General 106 Rep 3,460 Posts Drives: 2009 N54 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sticky's Mom House iTrader: (1)	JB knocks because the car will want to hit stock timing procede, offsets timing prior to wot, if the car knocks or coniditions change, the timing is further offset Cobb, changes the timing table all together, if it is too aggressive and knocks, it works like a jb, however the timing targe is already alot lower then the jb/stock timing curve.
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