[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Search "Terry335" and see what you find. You'll see someone getting a lot of info from Shiv et al on what's needed to create a radio-shack resistor setup for 2 dollars. So if that TerryTooner is something considered a "JB Variant", then I guess you've lost sight of what a Tune is.

Best Part of that thread is all the people saying "dont buy this" and they have it or recommend it these days. I dont want to name any names but its quite amusing.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Best Part of that thread is all the people saying "dont buy this" and they have it or recommend it these days. I dont want to name any names but its quite amusing.

lol, i looked it up. Camber-Toe?

[bulldog_yyc]

its a pretty funny thread. Makes you get a better perspective of how things began around here.

[Willizm]

Originally Posted by ianthegreat

You quoted someone that said in 4 years no failures. Then you said in a few more years we'll start to see them. That is where I pulled 7 from.

And don't downplay our 335i's. They are racecars ok.

[scottp999]

This is one of the most classic posts regarding the history of 335 tuning here at e90:

Originally Posted by Terry335

Hi gang, I'm pretty sharp when it comes to tuning but somewhat of a n00b with regard to electrical engineering. I could use an experts help.

Terry Tuner v1.0 has control of boost, but now I need to retard timing. My first idea was just to use a simple op-amp, relay, and resistor to crank up the IAT temperature when boost is over 8psi. This works, but has limitations and side effects. Mainly, it doesn't pull enough timing for our needs.

So, I'm working on a more advanced concept. Offsetting the CPS signal.

From May 2007: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63939

And in the same thread, May 2007:

Originally Posted by Terry335

Bad idea to put timing in, we need to take it out to avoid knock under the higher boost level!

Emphasis added by me.

[Clap135]

lmao

[Forcefed3]

thats... no so reassuring.

[e92bmw]

Originally Posted by scottp999

This is one of the most classic posts regarding the history of 335 tuning here at e90:



From May 2007: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63939

And in the same thread, May 2007:



Emphasis added by me.

How can anybody possible let this guy tune their 60k thousand dollar vehicles? Its actually crazy when you think of it that this guy was asking forum members how to tune, and now he is selling tunes to them

[e92bmw]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

thats... no so reassuring.

Think of it, you let that guy tune your car Its a good thing you got a ap now

[Litos]

ok, this thread started off with some good legs.

now it's gotten to the point where people are calling this 335 a racecar.

i think this thread is officially dead......

[Clap135]

Maybe stop posting then? The two quotes from Terry himself are absolutly classic.

[boom]

Originally Posted by scottp999

This is one of the most classic posts regarding the history of 335 tuning here at e90:



From May 2007: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63939

And in the same thread, May 2007:



Emphasis added by me.

wow.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Maybe stop posting then? The two quotes from Terry himself are absolutly classic.

i haven't posted in this thread in more than 2 days because it's gotten retarded.

i had to post when someone called the 335 his racecar...........

i'll leave this junk alone until someone comes up with another valid point - until then, it's been 1500+ posts of the same shit over and over again......

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by Litos

i haven't posted in this thread in more than 2 days because it's gotten retarded.

i had to post when someone called the 335 his racecar...........

i'll leave this junk alone until someone comes up with another valid point - until then, it's been 1500+ posts of the same shit over and over again......

Yeah that was pretty bad.

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by beemw

How can anybody possible let this guy tune their 60k thousand dollar vehicles? Its actually crazy when you think of it that this guy was asking forum members how to tune, and now he is selling tunes to them

Several reasons.

Just look at many of the user's post on the forum with any tunes in general. They have really no clue what they bought. All they know is it makes power! But no understanding of how it does this and why every other tuner takes the opposite position about directly controlling timing.

Next, because it is a cheap solution. That is a good word too..it is cheap, unsophisticated and makes power.

Also, people have no idea of the history, like the previous posts show. The guy literally took Shiv's half-ass joke method of tuning, and started his business off of that, then tried to make Shiv look like some guy that was clueless and charging 800x more than the product was worth based on what he understood it did.

Terry Tuner, the big resistor tune, now known as JB and JB+.

As Tomas Tusser wrote about 500yrs ago..."A fool and his money are soon parted."

It takes time, effort, ability and desire to want to know exactly what and how these tunes each work. There is more than enough info on this forum to explain that. Most don't want to do that obviously by the 5000 tunes Terry/Mike continually say that have been sold to people around the world.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Litos

i haven't posted in this thread in more than 2 days because it's gotten retarded.

i had to post when someone called the 335 his racecar...........

i'll leave this junk alone until someone comes up with another valid point - until then, it's been 1500+ posts of the same shit over and over again......

my 335 is a race car! vroom!

[rgpwr]

Originally Posted by scottp999

From May 2007: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63939

Key here is 2007...I could learn to pilot a space shuttle in 4 years, much less create a tune.

That being said, I don't like what I'm seeing from the JB4 side or the Procede side lately. Cobb is definitely on the right track. They're going to take over this market very soon I think.

[e92bmw]

Originally Posted by techlogik

Several reasons.


Next, because it is a cheap solution.

+1 Thats how they get people to buy their crap.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Litos

i haven't posted in this thread in more than 2 days because it's gotten retarded.

i had to post when someone called the 335 his racecar...........

i'll leave this junk alone until someone comes up with another valid point - until then, it's been 1500+ posts of the same shit over and over again......

Nothing retarded about real posts made in the past that are relevant to the thread topic and point.

This is actually something fresh to the table for this thread.

Maybe you should check out the classified sections if this thread bores you so much.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by scottp999

This is one of the most classic posts regarding the history of 335 tuning here at e90:



From May 2007: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63939

And in the same thread, May 2007:



Emphasis added by me.

awesome. Can't wait to hear the response to this hahahahahaa

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

awesome. Can't wait to hear the response to this hahahahahaa

damn Scott good pull out of the archives

best post in that thread:

Originally Posted by Terry335

Bad idea to put timing in, we need to take it out to avoid knock under the higher boost level!

If you increase the IAT reading it will decrease timing slightly and increase boost slightly (per the ECU logic). The IAT doesn't have any impact on the fuel mixture from what I can tell.

The biggest problem I have right now is the midrange. To add 2psi at up top I wind up adding 3psi down low, and down low the AF settings are pretty lean and the timing is more aggressive. It becomes risky adding more than 2psi up top.

The RPM IC above will let me adjust the boost curve so I'm only adding boost up top, where the factory AF ratio and timing is more reasonable. If we run stock boost up to 4500rpm and +3-4psi over 4500rpm, I think we'd be OK with only pulling 1-2 degrees of timing via the IAT (need to scan and verify, try at your own risk). That arrangement would probably put down similar peak dyno numbers to the procede. You’d lose out on the midrange boost but it would also be much more street tire friendly.

That lead to the idea of actually reducing timing through the CPS, which may or may not be easy. Waiting for good EE help on that. If we could pull out say 4 degrees in the midrange we could run a lot more boost down low.

what we learn from this. Terry does realize that pulling timing is a good idea when adding boost on pump gas....to any car.

interesting.........


a lot has changed w n54's since 2007 but the basic logic of tuning has not.........everyone agree on this?

[Forcefed3]

So why did he not use CPS offsetting to adjust timing?