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Taskmaster · 08-19-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by P1et

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/top...-uk-2014-05-30

Hmm. The VAG group is only mentioned 6 times in this top 10 list...

UK =/= US

P1 · 08-19-2014, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

UK =/= US

You are attacked the VAG group as a whole. Now you're restricting it to only the US? Interesting approach.

KingOfJericho · 08-19-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by P1et

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/top...-uk-2014-05-30

Hmm. The VAG group is only mentioned 6 times in this top 10 list...

To be fair, diesels make up a much larger portion of vehicles on the road in Europe than in the US and are historically more reliable.

Kevin52 · 08-19-2014, 05:55 PM

GTI, WRX, Cooper S all with 6 speeds of course

128Convertibleguy · 08-20-2014, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I can't recall one Audi branded product that I could justifiably own over any of its counterparts

Car and Driver is pretty consistently rating Audis these days as better than their BMW counterparts. More fun to drive, dramatically better interiors. I think the fun to drive part is mostly because of runflats, but still...

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Originally Posted by P1et

Who in their right mind would choose a Mazda??? I had one as a rental from Hertz once and even for a rental it was utter garbage.

The mew Mazda 3 is a complete redesign. Much better than the previous car, and rated by many as best in class for driving dynamics. Go drive one and see for yourself.

128Convertibleguy · 08-20-2014, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I can't recall one Audi branded product that I could justifiably own over any of its counterparts

Car and Driver is pretty consistently rating Audis these days as better than their BMW counterparts. Better driving dynamics, much better interiors. I think the driving dynamics thing is mostly because of runflats, but still...

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Originally Posted by P1et

Who in their right mind would choose a Mazda??? I had one as a rental from Hertz once and even for a rental it was utter garbage.

The mew Mazda 3 is a complete redesign. Much better than the previous car, and rated by many as best in class for driving dynamics. Go drive one and see for yourself.

John 070 · 08-20-2014, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 128Convertibleguy

The mew Mazda 3 is a complete redesign. Much better than the previous car, and rated by many as best in class for driving dynamics. Go drive one and see for yourself.

Steering way too light, horrible, well, I'm sure people get used to it

Taskmaster · 08-20-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 128Convertibleguy

Car and Driver is pretty consistently rating Audis these days as better than their BMW counterparts. Better driving dynamics, much better interiors. I think the driving dynamics thing is mostly because of runflats, but still...

The mew Mazda 3 is a complete redesign. Much better than the previous car, and rated by many as best in class for driving dynamics. Go drive one and see for yourself.

Audi's are crap, I won't (can't) be convinced otherwise. It's basically a dressed up Jetta, and most people would be better served buying a Lexus ES/Camry.

Ehwnnc · 08-20-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

because I'm right, and he needs validation that VW isn't a shit car brand (which EVERYONE already knows)

This is Such bullshit. Ive worked on Cars for a long time and no way in fucking hell is Mercedes number 2. They are buckets of fuck right behind land rover. If you dont turn that fucker in after 40k you are in for a bad bad time.

NemesisX · 08-20-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ehwnnc

This is Such bullshit. Ive worked on Cars for a long time and no way in fucking hell is Mercedes number 2. They are buckets of fuck right behind land rover. If you dont turn that fucker in after 40k you are in for a bad bad time.

Yeah it certainly seems dubious. My parents bought a brand new '96 E320 for $40k back in 1996. Total cost of repairs over 11 years of ownership? $25K. More than half of the price of the car new. That's just unexpected repairs - that does not include regular maintenance.

However I've heard that the 95/96 Mercedes E is one of the most unreliable cars of all time so I doubt our experience is the norm.

Edit: actually it was a '95 E bought in 1995. '96 was a refresh year. We had the boxy headlights not the round ones.

NemesisX · 08-20-2014, 09:10 PM

Then again anecdotal evidence is not all that useful. For the most part I usually trust JD powers reports more than anecdotal evidence. All car brands have some non-zero proportion of lemons. That number is just lower for "more reliable" brands.

I'm sure Mercedes has changed drastically since '95 on the reliability front.

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