[nitehawk]

Its is too bad how he has handled certain situations. As much as people may dislike him as people disliked Shiv, Tony has done alot for this platform and continues to push past the status quo and even set some N54 records:

Stage1/Stage2 hybrids: Other vendors like Helix/EPL/ASR all tried to enter the turbo scene but their products never took off. The market was stagnant for a while, RB was really the only option but he had his own share of smoking issues. Vargas came in and shook things up with Stock/Stage1/Stage2 offerings with tweaks such as thrust upgrades.

Stage 2+: First to offer this although I think with some influence from other one-off projects

Stage 3: First to offer a complete aftermarket twin turbo kit, although a long time coming

Inlets: First to offer inlets for the N54! Look at the options now...

HPFP Shotgun Kits: I dont know the status of these but again, Tony is the only vendor to develop / offer a HPFP solution

Other items under development by VTT first:

Hot side charge pipe
Stock style bolt on cast turbo upgrade

I think you get my point. The N54 scene wouldn't be where it is now without him always trying to push the envelope and paving the way for RB, Hexon and Pure to offer more competitive products. I know its hard to stay off the forums but he needs somebody else to deal with the PR and customer service side of things. I think he actually started that at some point, don't know why he stopped...

[berns]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

As much as I despise the guy for his online character it's really a shame how he is handling his business. I mean Ken (Wedge) and I, this stuff, is our hobby not a primary Job but we treat our customer's delicately and care about our business model or whatever you want to call it.

You cant please everyone but damn the picture is clearly written on the wall about VTT

This is a new N54 enthusiast generation which are not yes men that you can walk all over them. Not just that the remnants from the previous generation that stuck around are a lot more educated on this platform than they use to.

Run your business like a thug it will go down like a thug. If you eliminated the bashing, and ravish disrespect and just stuck with producing and results he would have lead the market.

Notice Hexon, Pure, and RB don't say much ? They let their products speak for themselves while VTT feels the need to be defensive, and compulsive all the time.

He still continues the bashing even in his new post about the hotside CP. Sigh !

Power to the People...................

If Tony's internet access was revoked and he had a single marketing employee who handled new product releases and customer interaction / service, he'd have been in good shape. He's his own worst enemy. Even in a thread today where a customer gave VTT props for their inlets and stock CHRA upgrade, Tony found a way to call someone else out and threaten to show up at a track across the country just to meet him in person. It's almost a joke at this point, he's a pretty ridiculous human.

[///Mposter]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

Its is too bad how he has handled certain situations. As much as people may dislike him as people disliked Shiv, Tony has done alot for this platform and continues to push past the status quo and even set some N54 records:

Stage1/Stage2 hybrids: Other vendors like Helix/EPL/ASR all tried to enter the turbo scene but their products never took off. The market was stagnant for a while, RB was really the only option but he had his own share of smoking issues. Vargas came in and shook things up with Stock/Stage1/Stage2 offerings with tweaks such as thrust upgrades.

Stage 2+: First to offer this although I think with some influence from other one-off projects

Stage 3: First to offer a complete aftermarket twin turbo kit, although a long time coming

Inlets: First to offer inlets for the N54! Look at the options now...

HPFP Shotgun Kits: I dont know the status of these but again, Tony is the only vendor to develop / offer a HPFP solution

Other items under development by VTT first:

Hot side charge pipe
Stock style bolt on cast turbo upgrade

I think you get my point. The N54 scene wouldn't be where it is now without him always trying to push the envelope and paving the way for RB, Hexon and Pure to offer more competitive products. I know its hard to stay off the forums but he needs somebody else to deal with the PR and customer service side of things. I think he actually started that at some point, don't know why he stopped...

He wasn't the first to offer inlets . TFT was the first, and to show its potential gains, but since they were $1500 for the kit, other people produced cheaper ones.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

Its is too bad how he has handled certain situations. As much as people may dislike him as people disliked Shiv, Tony has done alot for this platform and continues to push past the status quo and even set some N54 records:

Stage1/Stage2 hybrids: Other vendors like Helix/EPL/ASR all tried to enter the turbo scene but their products never took off. The market was stagnant for a while, RB was really the only option but he had his own share of smoking issues. Vargas came in and shook things up with Stock/Stage1/Stage2 offerings with tweaks such as thrust upgrades.

I believe Dinan are actually the first to develop Stage 1/compressor upgraded turbos for our platform, although theirs is ridiculously overpriced, typical of Dinan.

Stage 2+: First to offer this although I think with some influence from other one-off projects

True, but Tony fails to acknowledge his "record braking" dyno numbers was done with no inlets on these turbos, and mislead a lot of the initial buyers. Without inlet upgrades, stage 2+ doesn't perform any better than the standard stage 2

Stage 3: First to offer a complete aftermarket twin turbo kit, although a long time coming

Yes, but again, the products, which was just released a few months ago, were reported to have very poor fitment and build quality by a few shops and people who bought this kit. And you guess it, Tony tried to blame on it on installers and buyers for all the problem, because all his products are "perfect" according to him.

Inlets: First to offer inlets for the N54! Look at the options now...

No, that's false. TFT offered the first one and started the whole inlet game at the beginning of this year.

HPFP Shotgun Kits: I dont know the status of these but again, Tony is the only vendor to develop / offer a HPFP solution

Lol, another hack job by Tony and does anyone actually buy it these days? Overdriving a known weak component of our engines, lol, great idea eh? No thanks... PI is much more reliable and offer more capacity than those single and even more sketchy barrel setups

Other items under development by VTT first:

Hot side charge pipe
Stock style bolt on cast turbo upgrade

Actually RB started the whole hot side charge pipe first. Not sure what you mean by stock style bolt on cast turbo upgrades... Stage 1 perhaps, see my points above[/U]

I think you get my point. The N54 scene wouldn't be where it is now without him always trying to push the envelope and paving the way for RB, Hexon and Pure to offer more competitive products. I know its hard to stay off the forums but he needs somebody else to deal with the PR and customer service side of things. I think he actually started that at some point, don't know why he stopped...

The thing is, I personally wouldn't mind all the sh*t talking Tony has done to other vendors. If that's just personality, so be it, as long as he put out good products and offer good supports. But that sadly just isn't true for the guy and the way he runs his business. Charging restocking fees for cancelled orders that have been delayed for months or never even stock? Playing blame game on the installers and the buyers for turbo failure when it is clear it is the brand new CHRA that is failing.

As a someone who has been around in the N54 scene for a long time, I can go on and on with the sketchy things that Tony tried to throw at this community over the last 3-4 years (upgraded HPFP that is nothing but a stock HPFP with a drilled out fuel inlet, which he sells for 2-3x the OEM price; reselling the same Toyota sourced PCV valves as RB and yet trying to claim it is better than the competition, etc.)

At this point, I just cant imagine any sane and informed person of this community is willing to try to defend this guy and give this guy any money from this point on.

[Newguy123]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

The thing is, I personally wouldn't mind all the sh*t talking Tony has done to other vendors. If that's just personality, so be it, as long as he put out good products and offer good supports. But that sadly just isn't true for the guy and the way he runs his business. Charging restocking fees for cancelled orders that have been delayed for months or never even stock? Playing blame game on the installers and the buyers for turbo failure when it is clear it is the brand new CHRA that is failing.

As a someone who has been around in the N54 scene for a long time, I can go on and on with the sketchy things that Tony tried to throw at this community over the last 3-4 years (upgraded HPFP that is nothing but a stock HPFP with a drilled out fuel inlet, which he sells for 2-3x the OEM price; reselling the same Toyota sourced PCV valves as RB and yet trying to claim it is better than the competition, etc.)

At this point, I just cant imagine any sane and informed person of this community is willing to try to defend this guy and give this guy any money from this point on.

Yep he's pretty bad. There's always people who will support VTT though,hes a good salesman. You want top of the line turbos go with a top of the line company, PURE. Not only did they make big power on their new n54 hybrids but they make turbos for every popular BMW turbo platform. What other vendor is doing this? N55 PS2 hold hybrid record. S55 PS2 hold hybrid record. Now n54....

[WedgePerformance]

Always someone hiding under a rock... LOL

[roller84]

Originally Posted by Newguy123

Yep he's pretty bad. There's always people who will support VTT though,hes a good salesman. You want top of the line turbos go with a top of the line company, PURE. Not only did they make big power on their new n54 hybrids but they make turbos for every popular BMW turbo platform. What other vendor is doing this? N55 PS2 hold hybrid record. S55 PS2 hold hybrid record. Now n54....

The exact reasons why I ordered a set of Pure S2's for my car. Their product speaks for itself.

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by roller84

The exact reasons why I ordered a set of Pure S2's for my car. Their product speaks for itself.

I'm tuning a set now and they are making really good power at lower boost levels. Can't wait to turn them up to see what they will do.

[NA55]

I almost went with VTTs, but after reading this i'm glad I waited for the Pures..

[Newguy123]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

I'm tuning a set now and they are making really good power at lower boost levels. Can't wait to turn them up to see what they will do.

interested in what power they make/how the curve looks flash only as the only results out there now are jb/BEF.

also cant wait to see how the new hexons stack up

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

The thing is, I personally wouldn't mind all the sh*t talking Tony has done to other vendors. If that's just personality, so be it, as long as he put out good products and offer good supports. But that sadly just isn't true for the guy and the way he runs his business. Charging restocking fees for cancelled orders that have been delayed for months or never even stock? Playing blame game on the installers and the buyers for turbo failure when it is clear it is the brand new CHRA that is failing.

As a someone who has been around in the N54 scene for a long time, I can go on and on with the sketchy things that Tony tried to throw at this community over the last 3-4 years (upgraded HPFP that is nothing but a stock HPFP with a drilled out fuel inlet, which he sells for 2-3x the OEM price; reselling the same Toyota sourced PCV valves as RB and yet trying to claim it is better than the competition, etc.)

At this point, I just cant imagine any sane and informed person of this community is willing to try to defend this guy and give this guy any money from this point on.

Pretty sure Turbo Dynamics and EPL entered the market first back in early 2010 with stage1 hybrids. Dont think I've seen anyone on the forums ever run Dinan turbos.
You're right about the inlets, I think I just ignored TFT as an option due to the crazy pricetag. I like the fact that VTT brought in a solution that maintains the stock position and now RB has done the same.
I was misinformed about the the hot side chargepipe, just found it on n54tech I don't frequent that site as often. The VTT one piece looks better though.
As for the cast manifold turbo upgrade, this is a thread on that on BB. Basically its something in between a stage 2+ and stage 3. Cast manifold and turbine/exhaust housings that bolt up the same as stock.

You make some very valid points. I'm not trying to defend VTT, I don't own any of their products. My only point was competition breeds competition. The more vendors that enter the scene, the better it ends up being for the community with new and revised products. Who knows if VTT didn't come in, RB may have just sat complacent with his stage2's and nothing else to offer.

To your point though, it's unfortunate that this often means some customers get played into buying products that don't work well, beta testers being the exception to the rule (they are not allowed to complain lol).

[Torgus]

Hexon have the same cast upgrades as well and technically had them designed before vtt but who cares as to the dates. Neither are available at this time.

All vtt did was offer the 2+. Everything else was already on the market. The vtt TT kit is still a shit show after 3 years and the kits being delivered have massive fitment issues as shown on the forums. Not to mention he refused refunds for years.

Shotguns were a bust.

The fake hpfp upgrade was a bust as all he did was drill out an orifice and charge 500+ which did nothing. You can buy a $5 drill bit and do the same.

All the gains were from the inlets he did rather nothing to further the platform. He lied about the gains and it is well proven. He lied to sell product. Plain old rbs on 100% 85 have close. Obviously the biggest wheels will show more power.

He did little to improve the platform. He caused more shit than anything. Mark my words he will be remembered as the next shiv.

[TrollToll]

Originally Posted by Torgus

He did little to improve the platform. He caused more shit than anything. Mark my words he will be remembered as the next shiv.

Shiv did plenty to improve this platform. I really don't believe MHD would be where it is without Shiv and his contributions. I'm sure martial would agree. Tony is a piece of shit

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by Yournamehere90

Shiv did plenty to improve this platform. I really don't believe MHD would be where it is without Shiv and his contributions. I'm sure martial would agree. Tony is a piece of shit

To set the record straight, if it wasn't for Shiv we probably wouldn't have BMS, and if it wasn't for BB flash we wouldn't have MHD. But... Without OFT you wouldn't have BB flash so it's all Shiv's fault.. LOL

I do agree with your last statement.

[TrollToll]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

To set the record straight, if it wasn't for Shiv we probably wouldn't have BMS, and if it wasn't for BB flash we wouldn't have MHD. But... Without OFT you wouldn't have BB flash so it's all Shiv's fault.. LOL

I do agree with your last statement.

Yeah I guess I worded that poorly. I know Shiv wasn't directly involved with MHD. He just kind of helped pave the way.

[BQTuning]

Stone sharpens stone

[Sered]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

Notice Hexon, Pure, and RB don't say much ? They let their products speak for themselves while VTT feels the need to be defensive, and compulsive all the time.

I agree about the first two. They just do their business. But are you serious about RB? LOL He's just as bad as Tony is regarding blowing up in people's face in many ways. I guess you don't get out much

That being said, as an original Stage3 pre-order person (I was #2 on the list), my interactions with Tony were great. He was always helpful, took time to explain his statements, and was always quick to answer. Same goes for Rob. My little anecdotal evidence.

[WedgePerformance]

[WedgePerformance]

[JasW]

I understand what a "nightmare experience" and a "nightmare of an experience" are, and would agree that the OP's experience qualifies as such, but what is a (or the) "nightmare of experience"? Non-existentialism based replies only, please.

[ajsalida]

[Wolf 335]

And its still alive