[Sparks69]

I get quite bad clutch judder on our May 10 320d (184) MSport E91 (7.5k miles) so I am interested in this thread. I thought may be it was because of my driving technique but I've never had it on any other car! Think I might speak to my local stealer!

[Barnsleyshaun]

I have also had this a few times on my e92 (Sept 2010, 6000 miles) - only intermittently though, perhaps a dozen times in 6000 miles.

thought it was odd as although i'm no lewis hamilton, I am a pretty smooth driver and have never encountered it on any of my other cars. just seems odd it is so intermittent though so perhaps mine is me and not the car after all?

[Em135eye]

Common problem apparently and also affects the Alpina D3 as well as the 320d.

Don't know any more than that but a mate has just had similar.

[dcb69]

In the spanish forum bmwfaq.com we have a list of 100 users affected by the clutch judder.
See the link:
http://www.bmwfaq.com/f151/listado-a...blores-488261/

[qwerti]

yep: it's not you, it's the car.

Here are some statistics with affected cars in that forum:

• units - year
• 7 - 2010
• 17 - 2009
• 34 - 2008
• 14 - 2007
• 9 - 2005
• 9 - 2006
• 1 - 2004

• units - model
• 61 - 320d
• 10 - 118d
• 7 - 320i
• 6 - 318d
• 2 - 318i
• 1 - 325i
• 1 - 330d
• 1 - X1 20d
• 1 - 128d
• 1 - 520d

[Deltoid]

Is there someone who really solved clutch judder problem? Someone who changed flywheel and clutch with OEM or aftermarket parts and problem was solved.

What is the real source of the problem and why 320d is the most affected when other BMW models have the same engine and flywheel?

Maybe flywheel from new 184hp engine would solve the problem if we put it on 177hp engine? Or some other flywheel and clutch? Anyone tried that?

[leetennis]

Originally Posted by Deltoid

Is there someone who really solved clutch judder problem? Someone who changed flywheel and clutch with OEM or aftermarket parts and problem was solved.

What is the real source of the problem and why 320d is the most affected when other BMW models have the same engine and flywheel?

Maybe flywheel from new 184hp engine would solve the problem if we put it on 177hp engine? Or some other flywheel and clutch? Anyone tried that?

I still have clutch judder in the 184bhp lci 320d. Fitting a lci's dual mass flywheel on a 177bhp I doubt will make much difference.

When I had my DMF replaced I was told the threshold of movement was 4cog teeth, they managed 7. So I'm assuming the springs in the flywheel go slack creating too much movement??

[Brennan]

I have the same problem in my 06 318d E90. Its quite bad when it does it, thought it was my driving too. It only happens the odd time though

[Deltoid]

leetennis, how many miles did you do on the new flywheel?

I read somewhere that driveshaft angle may cause problem!?!?!?

Here on the forum we have burnt clutches and broken (faulty) flywheels. If the flywheel is the problem, why BMW doesn't solve it on new models.

I wonder if there is someone who tried some aftermarket flywheel?

[leetennis]

I bought an ex-demonstrator 3month old 09plate 318d lci. Had 4k mile on the clock, I put around another 3k on it.
Ended up needing a fair bit of work, software, flywheel, crank shaft, chain and timing gear, injectors and an unknown fault they couldn't fix for a while.

BMW uk and the dealer were great and got me in a new 320d I specced at no extra cost! So it had a happy ending.

Still get some judder with the new car but it's nothing I worry about or feel that distracting.
I understand it's the flywheel that's causing the problem but I guess BMW don't recognise it nor choose to make a design change when the lifespan of the car is coming to an end.

[Deltoid]

Thanks for answer!

BMW did change flywheel on the new 184hp engine (according to BMW oem page), but if you have judder the change in flywheel is not enough.

I think this N47 engine (maybe with little more power) is going to be in new 3 series F30, so if the flywheel alone is the problem the new car is going to have problems too.

[B33M3R]

Well finally decided to book mine in for this issue. It's an E90 320d LCI with latest 184bhp engine. I remember the very first time I drove it from new, straight after delivery it did a bit of a judder when I pulled out of my road which I put down to it just being new etc.

I've always suspected it had this issue but as it did it so infrequently I thought I'd just put up with it rather than risk my car being pulled apart and risk the usual ham fisted scuffs, scratches, door dinks and curbed wheels often added to your pride and joy after a trip to a dealers.

The tipping point for me was at the weekend I parked on quite a steep incline nose in and when I left in the morning had to reverse back out. The car went bonkers! The whole car shook violently and it took several attempts, with fairly high revs to get it moving rather than just jumping on on the spot!

Not good, I'm just glad none of my work colleagues saw me or I'm sure they'd be taking the mickey out of me for months!

I had a similar fault with a brand new Subaru Impreza WRX back in 2002 and this received a new clutch, flywheel, drive shafts and a few other bits and pieces. Can't recall specifically but recall the dealer saying it was about a £3000 repair and an actual Subaru recall at the time.

What's crazy is this seems to have been a problem for years on the BM's and l'd have thought they'd have sorted it by now. Mine is a 2011 with a build date of Dec 2010 so I can assume it's got the later parts already from factory?

I did notice that when pulling off from standstill the revs lift automatically when in gear and letting the clutch up even without adding revs yourself , only to about 1200-1400rpm or so and assume this must be the later software with the update to try and sort the problem others have been promised?

I've told the service manager I'm aware this is a common problem and have read quite a bit on forums about substantial repair work being needed. She made a quip along the lines of "we don't repair cars based on what it says on forums so will need to inspect it first", which is fair enough. She then said they are likely to need it for a couple of days and sorted me a courtesy car so reading between the lines it looks like they're fully expecting it to be the clutch, flywheel issue etc.

Oh, totally unrelated the 'Menu' button on my iDrive broke yesterday as well! Just made a click sound when I pressed it like something snapped inside so I've requested that be fixed as well

[rich1068]

They put a new clutch in mine but I still experience the judder occasionally. I intend to take it back at some point when I'm feeling strong From what I've read it's not so much new parts as software updates to alter throttle response and idle speeds. They will probably check for updates first, mine had the latest.

[Dizzle]

Have to admit mine suffers from it from time to time, I just tend to plant the accel a little to raise the revs

[Nagahara]

Had the same problem on my 2007 320d (177 hp) and have been given all sorts of stories by the dealer - this is a big problem that BMW know about and they don't seem to want to do anything about it.
I noticed mine is more prominent when cold and the dealer initially told me to change my driving style, which I must admit does help. You don't have to give the car any revs on the flat just let the clutch out and away it goes with no judder. Try the same on the incline and it's a different story.
When I first complained the Service Manager sat me in his office and said the words - "Your not going to like what I'm going to tell you" - basically they had a problem and they didn't know how to fix it!! I was sent out with the tech guy during the early stages of my battles with the dealer and he told me that the there was an engine design fault with cars from 2007 onwards (diesels only) and that BMW knew all about it but were prepared to do little or nothing for the customer. He knew the fault was so bad that he avoided buying one himself and went for a 2006 model!! Furthermore, he told me that they would fit a new clutch complete which was overuled by BMW.
Next they re-mapped the car which gave it this crazy rise in revs from normal tickover to 1200 rpm. I played holy hell about this mad solution and
they re-mapped back to as it was and put in a new friction plate (or so they said). This was ok for about 3,000 miles and the car went back to it's normal jddering. Once again I contacted my local dealer who said that BMW had another solution which was to be made available last October - I am still waiting and still have a judderiung clutch.
I complained directly to BMW but they won't even reply - I have basically given up with it and will be changing the car shortly for one that doesn't judder!!
I can't believe that a company like BMW still have not found a solution to a problem which must effect a lot of cars
Don't give up with your dealer although your car may be out of warranty

Happy Days

[B33M3R]

Thanks for the input guys. I'm not going to get too upset about it and let it ruin my enjoyment of the car. Like I've said it's fairly rare it even does it. It was just that reversing up an incline which surely can't be right, can it? It was a cold start though and I did try reversing up an incline today in the local multi story whilst up to temp and it was fine.

It was interesting reading about the phenomenon of a longitudinally mounted engine can cause a vibration and possibly a juddering effect not usually found on a transversly mounted vehicle, more so on four pots than six cyclinders. Maybe this is what caught Subaru out with the 2002 WRX as that was a change over year and they have a boxer engine mounted the same way as the BM?

I'll post an update of my findings with the dealer but it's not in for a couple of weeks yet

[gIzzE]

I am sure the CDV is makes it really hard to pull away without judder.
I am going to mod the valve on our X1 as it really is a pain and makes the clutch feel like it is heavy and not coming up quick enough.

I thought I had clutch judder but the more I think about it the more it feels like the CDV.

Will post back my results when I have modded the valve.

[rich1068]

Replacing the CDV won't make any difference if you suffer from the clutch judder problem. It may make it a little easier to control but it won't get rid of what appears to be an inherent problem. Unlike B33M3R it does spoil my enjoyment of the car because I spend so much time in traffic and because I live in Sheffield, on hills.

[Chrisw100]

hi guys

I know this thread is a couple of weeks old but I wanted to ask a question.


I am looking at removing the CDV from my 320i E92, I have seen some people just removing the valve all together and bleeding the system and others putting in place a modified cdv, has anyone just removed the valave all together and not bothered putting in the modified one? also does this throw up any dash errors or any other problem with the car?


thanks everyone

[xenon]

There's no connections to any monitoring so no dash errors. The reason being that people put in the "modified" valve (actually the original valve with the innards pressed out) is that you have to have something in there otherwise the pipes won't join.

[Chrisw100]

Originally Posted by xenon

There's no connections to any monitoring so no dash errors. The reason being that people put in the "modified" valve (actually the original valve with the innards pressed out) is that you have to have something in there otherwise the pipes won't join.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29828


in this thread it mentions installing the rubber clutch line directly into the CDV adapter and replacing the spring-clip on the adapter. is this not advised? nothing is being strecthed or strain put anywhere else.

[rich1068]

Tell you what. PM me your address and I'll send you my modified CDV.

There's nothing wrong with it but I'm having unrelated issues with the clutch and even though the modification is very discreet I couldn't take the risk of BMW/the dealer being aware of it.

Richard.