[33llipsi5]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Last night when I left the track I had 29 miles of range on my cluster. I then put in 12 gallons of 91 octane Texaco. I think the gauge showed a little over 3/4. The car did limp when the Suburu was trying to race me a 4000 Ft elevation, but what do you expect on a high boost map, on 91 octane?

Today, however, the map felt awesome. Did some 3rd gear pulls from 40-90mph, with no limps, just great acceleration. I know it is supposed to be run on 100 octane, but thought I would share anyways!

Sorry if I missed it but...

Is that the straight race gas map or the 'turbo melter'?

[brusso]

What exactly does "factory freak" for a turbo car mean ? A car making 16 psi is making 16 psi. Period. The bottom line is we really don't know how much boost Warren is making. He doesn't even know because he doesn't have a boost gauge and can't data log. That is why a dyno would help in this case. We could measure psi and see if the hp numbers make sense for the e.t's he's running.
I've seen Warren run at that LACR event 2 years ago and he was stupid fast then. I'm not saying he's running NOS. But I think some people are having a hard time understanding how he is running those time when a lighter weight 135 with all the mods owned by Terry of all people is barely doing the same mph.
Hotrod has to be making more boost to compensate for the lack of supporting mods. Just my .02 cents.
Nice runs Warren.

[cn555ic]

Wait, he is running a tune and doesn't have a boost guage, thats insane in my eyes especially the numbers he is putting up not seeing what his boost is!!!

[AJ@ECSMotorsports]

Factory freaks are just that.. freaks from the factory. Not every car is exactly the same.
I own a Mazdaspeed 6, and almost all our cars run the same whp, except a select few, who on the SAME dyno, same day, same mods.. put down a difference is 22.3whp.

I haven't done much research, but it is common knowledge that lower compression brings in much more hp. On these DI cars, spark is very important as well. I have only been on these E90 forums for a few days, but I read about a lot of users who had to have their plugs replaced due to rough idles, or HPFPs crapping out, etc.

It could just be hotrod's car is nearly perfect in build and condition. PERHAPS even his map is slightly off than most others..? It can even be a combination of things.

But if I were hotrod, I would have gone to a free dyno event. Not just to show people what I put down, but just so I know what kind of power I'm making.

[stressdoc]

I had a stock factory freak too. Prior to being "upgraded" to v29.2.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by pracing

But if I were hotrod, I would have gone to a free dyno event. Not just to show people what I put down, but just so I know what kind of power I'm making.

Free, hell. He would have pocketed $750. Like HR182 I don't need it, but if someone's giving me free money and I'm able to piss in his porridge to boot, I'll go for the twofer.

[brusso]

Originally Posted by pracing

Factory freaks are just that.. freaks from the factory. Not every car is exactly the same.
I own a Mazdaspeed 6, and almost all our cars run the same whp, except a select few, who on the SAME dyno, same day, same mods.. put down a difference is 22.3whp.

I haven't done much research, but it is common knowledge that lower compression brings in much more hp. On these DI cars, spark is very important as well. I have only been on these E90 forums for a few days, but I read about a lot of users who had to have their plugs replaced due to rough idles, or HPFPs crapping out, etc.

It could just be hotrod's car is nearly perfect in build and condition. PERHAPS even his map is slightly off than most others..? It can even be a combination of things.

But if I were hotrod, I would have gone to a free dyno event. Not just to show people what I put down, but just so I know what kind of power I'm making.

All you're saying is that a few cars for whatever reason were making 1psi or so more boost than the average car with similar mods..... and that's my point. We NEED to know how much boost Warren is running. Boost gauge will help.

[AlpineG05]

what if he did hit the 400hp mark? what if he didn't? is it really impossible to trap that high without having 400 hp? i read one of Ts post in which he states HotRod was probably at about 380 hp with tune only. so with knowing that and knowing Hotrod's car is a "freak" i would think it's pretty much possible.

[Turkishexpress]

Originally Posted by brusso

What exactly does "factory freak" for a turbo car mean ? A car making 16 psi is making 16 psi. Period. The bottom line is we really don't know how much boost Warren is making. He doesn't even know because he doesn't have a boost gauge and can't data log. That is why a dyno would help in this case. We could measure psi and see if the hp numbers make sense for the e.t's he's running.
I've seen Warren run at that LACR event 2 years ago and he was stupid fast then. I'm not saying he's running NOS. But I think some people are having a hard time understanding how he is running those time when a lighter weight 135 with all the mods owned by Terry of all people is barely doing the same mph.
Hotrod has to be making more boost to compensate for the lack of supporting mods. Just my .02 cents.
Nice runs Warren.

A freak by definition might have a better flowing head due to better tolerances, lower compression etc... Increasing the boost on a practically stock car on 91oct. will only do so much. At the end of the day you'll only be sucking in hot air which will cause for you to make less power.

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Wait, he is running a tune and doesn't have a boost guage, thats insane in my eyes especially the numbers he is putting up not seeing what his boost is!!!

This is not a home tune you're talking about. Although I agree that its always a good idea to have a boost gauge the stock ecu comes with certain fail safes that will put the vehicle into limp mode.

Originally Posted by brusso

All you're saying is that a few cars for whatever reason were making 1psi or so more boost than the average car with similar mods..... and that's my point. We NEED to know how much boost Warren is running. Boost gauge will help.

You have to understand that running higher boost without supporting mods will only result in loss of power due to the ecu pulling timing or even going into limp mode. The tiny turbos we're talking about have a very limited efficiency level. You also have to take into how much boost taper there is. With the restrictive stock parts on his car you would expect it to be more than a modded 335i. That's why all the current tuners run around the same boost for any given octane and mod level.

[brusso]

Originally Posted by Turkishexpress

A freak by definition might have a better flowing head due to better tolerances, lower compression etc... Increasing the boost on a practically stock car on 91oct. will only do so much. At the end of the day you'll only be sucking in hot air which will cause for you to make less power.



This is not a home tune you're talking about. Although I agree that its always a good idea to have a boost gauge the stock ecu comes with certain fail safes that will put the vehicle into limp mode.



You have to understand that running higher boost without supporting mods will only result in loss of power due to the ecu pulling timing or even going into limp mode. The tiny turbos we're talking about have a very limited efficiency level. You also have to take into how much boost taper there is. With the restrictive stock parts on his car you would expect it to be more than a modded 335i. That's why all the current tuners run around the same boost for any given octane and mod level.

Exactly my point... He has to be making the power somewhere. A fully ported head on a turbo car is only worth 20hp maybe. Lower compression from the factory ? Maybe which would allow him to run more boost....
this is why we need more info on how he is making the power.

[scalbert]

The only thing I will add is congrats on some excellent times and traps.

[BMW_TT]

Great runs

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Turkishexpress

A freak by definition might have a better flowing head due to better tolerances, lower compression etc... Increasing the boost on a practically stock car on 91oct. will only do so much. At the end of the day you'll only be sucking in hot air which will cause for you to make less power.



This is not a home tune you're talking about. Although I agree that its always a good idea to have a boost gauge the stock ecu comes with certain fail safes that will put the vehicle into limp mode.



You have to understand that running higher boost without supporting mods will only result in loss of power due to the ecu pulling timing or even going into limp mode. The tiny turbos we're talking about have a very limited efficiency level. You also have to take into how much boost taper there is. With the restrictive stock parts on his car you would expect it to be more than a modded 335i. That's why all the current tuners run around the same boost for any given octane and mod level.

Now theres a guy that knows exactly what he is talking about!


Also, in the interests of providing data, how about a real video of the run against the Procede V3 coupe. You can hear his loud exhaust over my engine, lol. With only 3 good runs, I really should have been focusing on getting a good start instead of a good video. This could have by far been a better run than it was. But still, this was the 12.19 ET run. The car started swaying in the upper end, and I lost some precious MPH. You can see how the V3 coupe outlaunched me, but I reeled him in. Now Shiv, exactly where in the run is it that you see the 50 shot kicking in??

Enjoy:

[E90ice]

This is such non-sense.

Who cares what mods he had?

Great times, man. Way to represent!

[The_AMG_Hunter]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Now theres a guy that knows exactly what he is talking about!


Also, in the interests of providing data, how about a real video of the run against the Procede V3 coupe. You can hear his loud exhaust over my engine, lol. With only 3 good runs, I really should have been focusing on getting a good start instead of a good video. This could have by far been a better run than it was. But still, this was the 12.19 ET run. The car started swaying in the upper end, and I lost some precious MPH. You can see how the V3 coupe outlaunched me, but I reeled him in. Now Shiv, exactly where in the run is it that you see the 50 shot kicking in??

Enjoy:

my car and yours are twins lol e90 AW tan interior... anyways nice run and JB3 FTW!

[ktdw]

So, can a "factory freak" result in an car that can put down 15%-20% more power? That's pretty much what we're talking about here, right?

[5soko]

Nice video HOTROD!

[1cleanm6]

factory freek=drew with his m3

search for him

[Morgiea4]

Originally Posted by Boosted335

factory freek=drew with his m3

search for him

+1. Drew puts down some serious numbers with that monster M3 of his.. factory freak indeed.

[bmwzimmer]

Great run Jacque!!!

[ohsnapITZe92]

well if his car is a factory freak...

why so much hype on the jb3? has he tried running the latest rev II? just curious...

[m3rxn]

Great times Warren congrats.