BMW denies claims it will abandon internal combustion engines

Scrapula · 12-27-2023, 07:27 PM

My great grandmother was born in the late 1800’s on a farm in Kansas. She told me a story about her father buying a car. It didn’t stop when he said ‘whoa’ and crashed into the barn.

Anyway, subsidized oil started in the early 1900’s and continues to this day. The Joint Commission on Taxation estimates that if we eliminated tax breaks on drilling, it would generate $13 billion over the next 10 years. We also give tax credits for coal projects. That’s another billion.

What you are seeing with renewable energy is the shift from fossil fuels to renewables. Think of it taking the old subsidies and applying them to new ones. The more we can shift to wind, solar, and water power will leave more for industries that rely on fossil fuels. Peak oil discovery was in the late 1960’s. It’s been downhill since then. They have created fracking to keep the reserves up. We have lots of useless shale oil, so maybe they will come up with a cost effective way to refine it. But, maybe they won’t.

No one is forcing anyone to buy an EV. There are rules for new cars but not work trucks, semi tractor trailers, farm equipment, etc. So, buy a new gasoline/petrol car in 2034. I’m sure a bunch will be titled and never driven, so you can buy them used in the future. Getting bent out of shape for an unknown future is a waste of energy.

I bought an EV because I love the technology. I also bought a plasma TV in the 1990’s when everyone else was using rear projection TVs. Yes, it was $10,000. I’ve moved on to OLED, but those $4k TVs were very expensive when they came out, too. Plasma doesn’t even exist anymore. Would I have still bought one, absolutely. Technology changes and 10 years from now, I expect a completely different type of EV. Solid state will be cool. Remember how much early solid state disc drives cost?

Cortexiphan · 12-28-2023, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by M2siast

What does the BEV offer that the ICEV can’t do? We can tell you what the ICEV can do that the BEV can’t (longer range, less fuelling time, manual transmission/engagement).

No revolution. No comparison. So stop with the horse and car comparison….

No sound, no gears thus more refinement. No exhaust gasses. No need for oil. Less maintenance. By all measures, this is a revolution. Especially when you own one, it becomes very clear.

stavstavcc · 12-29-2023, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrapula

Getting bent out of shape for an unknown future is a waste of energy

Dude, that’s such a great life advice in general!

Merry Festivus and Happy New Year

Canuck335 · 12-29-2023, 10:26 AM

I think the biggest driver away from ICE / petroleum is geopolitical.
All this shit going on in the Middle East has a lot to do with OPEC and its influence on oil prices.
Western governments desperately want to get away from that crap and see EV’s as way out. People complain about the price of gas and vote on it. Seems to me the best way is to remove that hot button topic from elections.

Noddy335i · 12-30-2023, 02:45 AM

Whilst an Inline 6 is an option I know exactly what I will be buying when it’s time for a change 👌🏼

jdhiro · 12-30-2023, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

No sound, no gears thus more refinement. No exhaust gasses. No need for oil. Less maintenance. By all measures, this is a revolution. Especially when you own one, it becomes very clear.

I haven’t bought an EV yet (waiting on the next gen), but I’m looking forward to never going to another dirty/shifty gas station again in my life.

flipicaneze · 12-30-2023, 07:50 PM

I'm waiting to see battery tech to become safer and less expensive to produce. $10-20k to replace a battery is ridiculous especially since the manufactures like Tesla now have EV drivers by the balls.

Charging takes travelers on mainstream routes in order to have a charger nearby.
This makes a vacationing family avoid fun and adventurous paths to avoid running out of charge. (As a kid, my father would take an alternate route to see more than what the interstate had to offer)

It used to be better-off people bought new cars, later on traded them resulting in cars available for less well-off who often times fixed the cars themselves which led into careers in mechanics. This doesn't seem possible at this point with EVs not being financially feasible or technically possible to fix by the average consumer.

Things will have to change in the EV industry before they can make ICE vehicles obsolete.

Chicane_ · 01-01-2024, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ghaffari46

4 years ago when my brother in law got his tesla s I kinda made fun of him.
Now I have 2 EVs.
The problem with most of people is they have not tried/live with one.

I agree with this. EV demand will become organic (vs mandated) once more people learn what they’re like to live with in the real world, either through direct experience or feedback from someone they personally know and trust.

EVs are still in the early stages while ICE development has substantially peaked. They will also soon be less expensive to build than ICE vehicles - especially hybrids. Judgement about range, cost, recharging time and charging infrastructure etc is generally based on today’s situation vs the future reality.

Whether we like it or not, I think EVs will eventually (~10 years) displace the sales of all new ICE (including hybrid) powered passenger cars in developed nations. The exception being niche low volume cars/models aimed at enthusiasts.

Happy new year everyone.

Tomduck · 01-09-2024, 02:49 AM

I agree there will be a time when I buy an EV and it makes sense to do so, but that’s not now for me. I am semi retired, do 7-8000 mile a year with half of that being 250-400 mile round trips. I do not like any kind of hassle, queuing or hunting for charging scenarios.

My X1 U11 diesel averages 60mpg (750+ miles a tank) and costs significantly less to to buy than a mild hybrid or full e car so buying one does not stack up.

As an counterpoint to the title of the thread if you google “BMW continues to develop ICE” you will see they are still working on making these engines even more fuel efficient and clean, I still plan to buy another diesel before the end of the decade and have no doubt it will be even better than the current crop. 100+ years of development mean these engines are now at their pinnacle, rather that than the early years of electrification.

If things look totally different in ten years time when i’m in my mid 60s then I’ll reconsider an ICE.

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Scrapula Major 4551 Rep 1,256 Posts Drives: BMW i5 M60 Join Date: Sep 2023 Location: Washington, USA iTrader: (0)	My great grandmother was born in the late 1800’s on a farm in Kansas. She told me a story about her father buying a car. It didn’t stop when he said ‘whoa’ and crashed into the barn. Anyway, subsidized oil started in the early 1900’s and continues to this day. The Joint Commission on Taxation estimates that if we eliminated tax breaks on drilling, it would generate $13 billion over the next 10 years. We also give tax credits for coal projects. That’s another billion. What you are seeing with renewable energy is the shift from fossil fuels to renewables. Think of it taking the old subsidies and applying them to new ones. The more we can shift to wind, solar, and water power will leave more for industries that rely on fossil fuels. Peak oil discovery was in the late 1960’s. It’s been downhill since then. They have created fracking to keep the reserves up. We have lots of useless shale oil, so maybe they will come up with a cost effective way to refine it. But, maybe they won’t. No one is forcing anyone to buy an EV. There are rules for new cars but not work trucks, semi tractor trailers, farm equipment, etc. So, buy a new gasoline/petrol car in 2034. I’m sure a bunch will be titled and never driven, so you can buy them used in the future. Getting bent out of shape for an unknown future is a waste of energy. I bought an EV because I love the technology. I also bought a plasma TV in the 1990’s when everyone else was using rear projection TVs. Yes, it was $10,000. I’ve moved on to OLED, but those $4k TVs were very expensive when they came out, too. Plasma doesn’t even exist anymore. Would I have still bought one, absolutely. Technology changes and 10 years from now, I expect a completely different type of EV. Solid state will be cool. Remember how much early solid state disc drives cost?
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Canuck335 Private First Class 157 Rep 191 Posts Drives: 2011 335ix Sedan 6MT Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (0)	I think the biggest driver away from ICE / petroleum is geopolitical. All this shit going on in the Middle East has a lot to do with OPEC and its influence on oil prices. Western governments desperately want to get away from that crap and see EV’s as way out. People complain about the price of gas and vote on it. Seems to me the best way is to remove that hot button topic from elections.
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flipicaneze New Member 26 Rep 14 Posts Drives: BMW 540i xDrive Join Date: Sep 2023 Location: Northeastern Illinois iTrader: (0)	I'm waiting to see battery tech to become safer and less expensive to produce. $10-20k to replace a battery is ridiculous especially since the manufactures like Tesla now have EV drivers by the balls. Charging takes travelers on mainstream routes in order to have a charger nearby. This makes a vacationing family avoid fun and adventurous paths to avoid running out of charge. (As a kid, my father would take an alternate route to see more than what the interstate had to offer) It used to be better-off people bought new cars, later on traded them resulting in cars available for less well-off who often times fixed the cars themselves which led into careers in mechanics. This doesn't seem possible at this point with EVs not being financially feasible or technically possible to fix by the average consumer. Things will have to change in the EV industry before they can make ICE vehicles obsolete.
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Tomduck Lieutenant 429 Rep 567 Posts Drives: U11 X1 18d Msport Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	I agree there will be a time when I buy an EV and it makes sense to do so, but that’s not now for me. I am semi retired, do 7-8000 mile a year with half of that being 250-400 mile round trips. I do not like any kind of hassle, queuing or hunting for charging scenarios. My X1 U11 diesel averages 60mpg (750+ miles a tank) and costs significantly less to to buy than a mild hybrid or full e car so buying one does not stack up. As an counterpoint to the title of the thread if you google “BMW continues to develop ICE” you will see they are still working on making these engines even more fuel efficient and clean, I still plan to buy another diesel before the end of the decade and have no doubt it will be even better than the current crop. 100+ years of development mean these engines are now at their pinnacle, rather that than the early years of electrification. If things look totally different in ten years time when i’m in my mid 60s then I’ll reconsider an ICE.
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