[NSXR]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I’ll take a hug…

I’d need more than a hug to drive a Lexus

I'm your huckleberry.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by NSXR

I'm your huckleberry.

The one that got away

[wdeerfield]

Originally Posted by rlampare

Does this mean I have to return the aftermarket M fender badges I just bought for my recently purchased M550i here in the United States?
Or are you guys just gonna throw red paint on my M550 I in protest?
I bought the car for myself as a Christmas gift and have been deliriously. Happy with it until I read your thread here… Now I feel like the redheaded stepchild.

I think the fender badges are tacky but it’s your car. BMW puts enough m badges of m performance cars they don’t need two more. Just another thing to get snagged on when waxing the car. Your exhaust speaks for the car enough. Would love a 550 in my garage. Been eyeing x5 M50s to replace my x3 M40 lately

[MaxVO2]

Originally Posted by kmarei

if we include the non BMW M models (user added M badge)
you know, the ///M330i, ///M228i, ///M X5 etc
M models count for 46.7%

****In my area, probably bump that up to 60%...

[AndreM2]

I am really amazed how manny people buy into heavy cars nowadays. 2000kg no problem we make it 600hp

2400kg no problem we make it 750hp.

750hp traction problems we make it xdrive and even heavier!

Lots of people just look at the horsepower numbers. And it works if you look at sales numbers.

Drive an old M3 CSL or a 1M coupe after a 2000kg test drive then you can experience the difference! I am really curious if some of you can feel the difference!

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

The one that got away

yea i'm sure it got away.

there are hardly any bmw owners here that are actual enthusiasts who look at other brands.

plenty of lightweight sports cars existed during bmw's "peak" years but not many here could afford a porsche.

[IanH]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

I am really amazed how manny people buy into heavy cars nowadays. 2000kg no problem we make it 600hp

2400kg no problem we make it 750hp.

750hp traction problems we make it xdrive and even heavier!

Lots of people just look at the horsepower numbers. And it works if you look at sales numbers.

Drive an old M3 CSL or a 1M coupe after a 2000kg test drive then you can experience the difference! I am really curious if some of you can feel the difference!

What are you talking about? None of the rwd M 2/3/4 cars are over 4000lb.

[curtdragon]

This is dumb.

It’s like saying Audi sold 10% RS models but include the S models in the range.

m lite generally don’t have any parts the M does.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

I am really amazed how manny people buy into heavy cars nowadays. 2000kg no problem we make it 600hp

2400kg no problem we make it 750hp.

750hp traction problems we make it xdrive and even heavier!

Lots of people just look at the horsepower numbers. And it works if you look at sales numbers.

Drive an old M3 CSL or a 1M coupe after a 2000kg test drive then you can experience the difference! I am really curious if some of you can feel the difference!

I drive my Z4M from time and time and sure it’s fun, but it also feels Camry-slow. Such is progress, im afraid.

[VegasG42]

All the hate for the M Lite family

Not only do I have an M2 .... But they also added 40 more , and an i

M240i



and yes, I am kidding . One day I will graduate to an M Car

[bandersen]

As has already been said…and it’s still true…tha ‘M’ cars of today are not the ‘M’ cars of yesteryear…not even close.

[Brandoch]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

I am really amazed how manny people buy into heavy cars nowadays. 2000kg no problem we make it 600hp

2400kg no problem we make it 750hp.

750hp traction problems we make it xdrive and even heavier!

Lots of people just look at the horsepower numbers. And it works if you look at sales numbers.

Drive an old M3 CSL or a 1M coupe after a 2000kg test drive then you can experience the difference! I am really curious if some of you can feel the difference!

You think that they are adding concrete to the cars to make them heavy because why not?
Come on use that brain muscle of yours. Every vehicle is getting larger and heavier. Combination of legal, safety, and environmental mandates around the world and customer demands.
All that tech and performance comes at a cost. Weight and size.
Keeping your family safe comes at a cost
Weight and size.
Trying to reduce pollution and save money on fuel comes at a cost.
Weight and size due to batteries, electrical systems and emissions systems.
And yes you can reduce the amount that a vehical is growing in size and weight by paying more money for it. That's how Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari ect... keeps the weight under check. However even that's changing now with more and more heavy hybrid systems.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

I am really amazed how manny people buy into heavy cars nowadays. 2000kg no problem we make it 600hp

2400kg no problem we make it 750hp.

750hp traction problems we make it xdrive and even heavier!

Lots of people just look at the horsepower numbers. And it works if you look at sales numbers.

Drive an old M3 CSL or a 1M coupe after a 2000kg test drive then you can experience the difference! I am really curious if some of you can feel the difference!

ev's as well as stoplight drag racing are to blame for this... the inevitable youtube races that would have taken place as a result of evs walking supposed M derived motorsports cars would have been a real bad look...

instead bmw just went the way of everyone... let's add as much power as possible and fix all traction and stability issues w weight and awd... i always laughed that if you go back 10 years ago bmw was the only one left w an original car... RWD + DCT... this was for both m3 and m5... when audi and benz already had awd auto versions... i applauded bmw for sticking more to their ethos and then i said... next gen this is all gone and i can give you 20 reasons why... i also said... everyone will make the same car lol... i was right

[NSXR]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

I am really amazed how manny people buy into heavy cars nowadays.

I don't think they have a choice because the vast majority of the current crop of performance cars are heavy. Many in these new generations have no idea how awesome it is to drive a light, manual car like a Miata.

[zvez]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

It's wild to me how BMW have transformed M sport pack cars into their own models and then lump them with actual M cars. Wtf lol.

Well with Mercedes, AMG used to be a big deal...... now not so much

[M3JetPilot]

When I was a kid admiring the early M cars, I never thought I’d see this as the highest selling “M”. Motorsport is about street legal race cars, not this. No elitism intended but redefining M to this makes the whole thing meaningless.

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

I think that still holds for German made M, WBA for German made non-M. American made M starts with 5YN, iirc.

Also holds true for the Mexican made cars. G42 230i/M240ix VIN starts with 3MW, G87 M2 VIN starts with with 3MF.

So regardless of how BMW sales counts the models, they obviously know the true numbers just by looking at the VIN counts.

[Germanauto]

ITT: people with pseudo M cars tryna justify how their car is actually an M

[NickyC]

True M cars have a single digit, it’s that simple.

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

ITT: people with pseudo M cars tryna justify how their car is actually an M

Well M Sport owners don't have to justify it because BMW has done it for them by classifying M Sport cars under the M division. Don't blame the customers when the manufacturer made the change.

I've only owned "full M" cars (M6 and M2 CS) and I enjoyed them, but when I was in the market for an SUV I found I preferred the X4 M40i and X6 M60i over the full M versions. I have less of a tolerance for stiff suspension in a luxury SUV and I don't see the point in sacrificing ride quality for track performance when I'll never track an SUV. The M60i also has the S68 and something the full M doesn't get which is rear-wheel steering. If BMW would have labeled the M60i as X5/6M and left the current X5/6M Competition as the top M version, I doubt anyone would complain.

[X5MnM3comp]

Originally Posted by M Hybrid V8

Well M Sport owners don't have to justify it because BMW has done it for them by classifying M Sport cars under the M division. Don't blame the customers when the manufacturer made the change.

I've only owned "full M" cars (M6 and M2 CS) and I enjoyed them, but when I was in the market for an SUV I found I preferred the X4 M40i and X6 M60i over the full M versions. I have less of a tolerance for stiff suspension in a luxury SUV and I don't see the point in sacrificing ride quality for track performance when I'll never track an SUV. The M60i also has the S68 and something the full M doesn't get which is rear-wheel steering. If BMW would have labeled the M60i as X5/6M and left the current X5/6M Competition as the top M version, I doubt anyone would complain.

Sure, as long as the m60i owners are willing to pay another $40k for the exact same car.

[X5MnM3comp]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

I am really amazed how manny people buy into heavy cars nowadays. 2000kg no problem we make it 600hp

2400kg no problem we make it 750hp.

750hp traction problems we make it xdrive and even heavier!

Lots of people just look at the horsepower numbers. And it works if you look at sales numbers.

Drive an old M3 CSL or a 1M coupe after a 2000kg test drive then you can experience the difference! I am really curious if some of you can feel the difference!

Because no one likes old stuff. The Motorola flip phone and the Nokia slim phones used to fit in our jean pocket nicely, today it’s a challenge with smartphones. but I don’t see people complain about iPhones for that reason. Yesterday we drove cars that run on gas, today we have self driving electric cars. It’s just how the world works. Whether we like it or not, we don’t get to choose, but eventually we adapt and realize how much better (more value )it is than before