Forced Performance / AMS Performance bolt on N54 turbo project revealed....

Qmax03 · 03-31-2009, 06:36 AM

my subie friends have warned me about FP turbos..

souroull · 03-31-2009, 06:48 AM

interesting threat. the OPs attitude was just horrible tho, he was trying too hard to prove this "Robert" guy that he can bring him hell if he didnt oblige. they both had the same sense of "superiority". it was clear that the whole thing was a dead-end just by the first 2 emails.

all in all i wouldnt side with either of them. maybe just swing a tiny bit towards FP

jpsimon · 03-31-2009, 07:59 AM

While I was a suby owner (for 5 years) I heard nothing but good things about FP products, and I almost got one... but then I got two turbos instead

rcracer_tx · 04-01-2009, 02:44 AM

I think I might just have to take a trip to Forced Performance...

CubanJJ09 · 04-01-2009, 11:59 AM

just read that whole thing. sucks for the OP, but i cant help but feel that the OP should of gotten straight cash instead of another turbo. or gotten another turbo with some sort of mutual monetary compensation.

Eric@AMS · 04-01-2009, 12:54 PM

We have had an issue with an FP turbo on a Subaru and Rob took care if it LIGHTNING quick. Things happen but all in all we have been VERY pleased with FP turbos and their reputation and performance numbers. If we were concerned about their reliability we would not even consider working with them. After all our reputation is on the line as much as FP's is.

Not to worry guys

Eric

bdkevoIX · 04-01-2009, 01:03 PM

FP red for evos seem to fail as well due to oil starvation...hm..
FP clearly didn't handle the situation imo.

E82tt6 · 04-01-2009, 01:25 PM

I trust AMS. As for FP, the guy came at them with a major attitude (I'm an e-celeb, do it my way or I'll cost you bussiness), and tried to argue technical stuff way over his head. If his tuner agreed with him THEY should have dealt with FP and made their case.

Also, can't really expect them to cover FOD. They covered the second one even though it sounded like the tuners fuckup for not ensuring needed oil supply upgrades. Also, it sounded like the would have been willing to refund the second turbo(I assume that's what compromise meant), but the customer had an inflated sense of importance, and LITERALY tried to black mail them into a larger refund.

I wouldn't have done shit for the guy, and might have sued for blackmail to put him in his place.

akira42 · 04-01-2009, 04:52 PM

I think FP handled their side of the issue pretty well. He tried to get a hold of him via the phone, and have a two way dialog, which is usually needed with something complicated like this. Instead he got a guy pretty much saying "no, after all this is resolved, i'm going to smear you in the forums, so i'd like to keep this in email".... This OP of the FP thread seems to be a wee bit of drama queen. Why else would he start out by giving his internet resume. Like, who does that?

okix · 06-30-2009, 11:24 AM

Hey Eric! This is Okix on Evolutionm. All I can say is wow!!! As of last week I moved into a 335i coupe and just happen to stumble upon this thread. I can not wait to see the progress on this partnership with AMS and FP. You both are great companies with great products which speak results. Not just data.

As for the FP turbos....Im in! They have put us in the low 9's (possibly 8's in the next couple weeks) on a HTA3586 and have us trapping 145mph on a stock frame turbo on our EVO. We have not had one failure to date and when we sent the turbos to FP to check them over, they provided us with the best of service.

Again, Eric I would love for you to keep me posted on the progress of the project. Even though this is the last thing I need is a project car daily driver.

Tony

ar design · 06-30-2009, 12:30 PM

Way to go champ. This thread is 3 months old

ragingclue · 06-30-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ar design

Way to go champ. This thread is 3 months old

Yeah.... On that note.... WTF happened with this?

Eric@AMS · 06-30-2009, 12:52 PM

Glad to see you on board Tony! You have one hell of an EVO!

As far as where this is going, we are just waiting on the samples to come from FP. The second I get them we will put them on the car and tune them to see how they are doing. As soon as I know something you will

Eric

Mote · 06-30-2009, 12:52 PM

It seems like all turbo projects/upgrades go to heaven...

NM_BMW · 06-30-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mote

It seems like all turbo projects/upgrades go to heaven...

More like go to hell.

Let's stop playing with the stock turbos and get the big single snals on these cars.

stealth-twntrbo · 06-30-2009, 01:18 PM

If the bolt on turbos will produce 450-500 whp on pump that would be great with supporting mods, but what about the fuel system issue??! I dont know of any fuel upgrades?? Does anyone know the limit of the stock fuel system?? Fuel pump, injectors, fuel flow?

DR_E92 · 06-30-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Humtek

More like go to hell.

Let's stop playing with the stock turbos and get the big single snals on these cars.

+1

whats up with messing with the stock turbos? do it right the first time and go with some brand new snails. you never see an sti bothering with the stock turbo

DR_E92 · 06-30-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stealth-twntrbo

If the bolt on turbos will produce 450-500 whp on pump that would be great with supporting mods, but what about the fuel system issue??! I dont know of any fuel upgrades?? Does anyone know the limit of the stock fuel system?? Fuel pump, injectors, fuel flow?

thats what kits are for

get some bigger snails and if needed create a kit where fuel is upgraded as well. i think thats worth $4k instead of messing with the stock turbo housing and still shelling out that much cash

NM_BMW · 06-30-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DR_E92

+1

whats up with messing with the stock turbos? do it right the first time and go with some brand new snails. you never see an sti bothering with the stock turbo

The only thing I get from using the stock snails is to create the look of them still being stock, but with more power. A warranty issue maybe?

I would think though if your going to shell our the cash for modified stock turbos then I'm pretty sure your not worried about your warranty. Who really wants to be swapping turbos to take their car in for warranty work?

okix · 06-30-2009, 01:56 PM

Just because they do not post about whats going on. Dont think that the project is dead.

Eric, I talked to FP. I believe their shipment is in.

okix · 06-30-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DR_E92

+1

whats up with messing with the stock turbos? do it right the first time and go with some brand new snails. you never see an sti bothering with the stock turbo

I call bs on that one. Dont many of the subi guys run FPgreens and FPreds??

midlife · 06-30-2009, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humtek

More like go to hell.

Let's stop playing with the stock turbos and get the big single snals on these cars.

is it that hard to make a custom exhaust manifold to house bigger turbos??
not trying to be a wiseguy - just want to know.

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souroull New Member 0 Rep 5 Posts Drives: mmm Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: AZ iTrader: (0)	interesting threat. the OPs attitude was just horrible tho, he was trying too hard to prove this "Robert" guy that he can bring him hell if he didnt oblige. they both had the same sense of "superiority". it was clear that the whole thing was a dead-end just by the first 2 emails. all in all i wouldnt side with either of them. maybe just swing a tiny bit towards FP
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04-01-2009, 12:54 PM	#138
Eric@AMS Captain 74 Rep 726 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Chicago, IL iTrader: (5)	We have had an issue with an FP turbo on a Subaru and Rob took care if it LIGHTNING quick. Things happen but all in all we have been VERY pleased with FP turbos and their reputation and performance numbers. If we were concerned about their reliability we would not even consider working with them. After all our reputation is on the line as much as FP's is. Not to worry guys Eric
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bdkevoIX Captain 18 Rep 739 Posts Drives: 06 Evo IX Mr Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	FP red for evos seem to fail as well due to oil starvation...hm.. FP clearly didn't handle the situation imo. __________________ 03 Golf TDI w/ r32 conversion - 120bph/40mpg ftw for now.. 06 Evo IX MR - 500whp,,,sold.....
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E82tt6 Colonel 110 Rep 2,626 Posts Drives: '08 Black Saphire Z4 MC Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	I trust AMS. As for FP, the guy came at them with a major attitude (I'm an e-celeb, do it my way or I'll cost you bussiness), and tried to argue technical stuff way over his head. If his tuner agreed with him THEY should have dealt with FP and made their case. Also, can't really expect them to cover FOD. They covered the second one even though it sounded like the tuners fuckup for not ensuring needed oil supply upgrades. Also, it sounded like the would have been willing to refund the second turbo(I assume that's what compromise meant), but the customer had an inflated sense of importance, and LITERALY tried to black mail them into a larger refund. I wouldn't have done shit for the guy, and might have sued for blackmail to put him in his place. __________________ '08 Black Saphire/Black Z4 M Coupe RIP Gretta: Blue Water/Lemon 135i. Died to save me. -ChuckV
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akira42 Private First Class 13 Rep 184 Posts Drives: 2007 335i 6MT, Custom Flash Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Newport Beach, CA iTrader: (1)	I think FP handled their side of the issue pretty well. He tried to get a hold of him via the phone, and have a two way dialog, which is usually needed with something complicated like this. Instead he got a guy pretty much saying "no, after all this is resolved, i'm going to smear you in the forums, so i'd like to keep this in email".... This OP of the FP thread seems to be a wee bit of drama queen. Why else would he start out by giving his internet resume. Like, who does that?
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okix Private 6 Rep 56 Posts Drives: 2009 335i coupe, 700+whp EVO 9 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: oklahoma iTrader: (0)	Hey Eric! This is Okix on Evolutionm. All I can say is wow!!! As of last week I moved into a 335i coupe and just happen to stumble upon this thread. I can not wait to see the progress on this partnership with AMS and FP. You both are great companies with great products which speak results. Not just data. As for the FP turbos....Im in! They have put us in the low 9's (possibly 8's in the next couple weeks) on a HTA3586 and have us trapping 145mph on a stock frame turbo on our EVO. We have not had one failure to date and when we sent the turbos to FP to check them over, they provided us with the best of service. Again, Eric I would love for you to keep me posted on the progress of the project. Even though this is the last thing I need is a project car daily driver. Tony
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