[Chefcg1]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

That's a little low. Should be reading at least a solid 13. Mine was reading 10-11 also a while back and I cleaned out the nozzle head and adapters and flow came back to 13. But for some reason now my flow reads 15-16 which is on the high side of an M7 nozzle!

I have changed the lines, cleaned the nozzel, replaced the fail safe. It read 11 on my first fail safe and reads the same on my second one I have tested flow at every junction to make sure it flows smoothly; which it does. I have noticed since my fail safe replacement the system does not come on like it used to, maybe I need to set the procede below 11?

I will pick up an M10 nozzel and teast that as well.

[cn555ic]

Maybe you got one of the defective modules like clap, jpslick and themyst. Well see what their flow numbers are when they get the new modules. For now you are right about setting the value maybe to like 10'just to be on the lower end of the scale as for flow to initiated progressive meth mapping

[themyst]

Problem with setting 10 for full boost is, you have no idea if it's the flow sensor or another problem. I have lost faith in these labonte flow sensors, and await a working replacement.

[cn555ic]

Yeah but explain my situation. Flow of 13-14 then all of a sudden 15-16? This poses an inherent problem with progressive meth mapping if the unit is deemed unreliable.

[Chefcg1]

Originally Posted by themyst

Problem with setting 10 for full boost is, you have no idea if it's the flow sensor or another problem. I have lost faith in these labonte flow sensors, and await a working replacement.

I'm with you on that. I'm ordering a CM10 nozzel, do I need to get the filter as well or can I use the one off my other nozzel?

[Iwantm3]

Originally Posted by Chefcg1

I'm with you on that. I'm ordering a CM10 nozzel, do I need to get the filter as well or can I use the one off my other nozzel?

get a cm10s though

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Chefcg1

I'm with you on that. I'm ordering a CM10 nozzel, do I need to get the filter as well or can I use the one off my other nozzel?

the filter from your old nozzle will fit perfectly on the CM10 nozzle.

[themyst]

You know what you COULD do to ensure it's not the flow sensor, take a 1 liter Poland Spring bottle, find out what you SHOULD be spraying based on the nozzle/pump pressure and spray into that bottle for 30 seconds (or one minute). Being that 1 liter = 1000ml, that thing should be about 600-650ml full after one minute on a DO7. If its any less than that, your flow sensor is defective.

I think the CM10 is rated for 800ml/min @ 200 psi.

[Chefcg1]

Originally Posted by themyst

the filter from your old nozzle will fit perfectly on the CM10 nozzle.

thank you sir!

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by themyst

You know what you COULD do to ensure it's not the flow sensor, take a 1 liter Poland Spring bottle, find out what you SHOULD be spraying based on the nozzle/pump pressure and spray into that bottle for 30 seconds (or one minute). Being that 1 liter = 1000ml, that thing should be about 600-650ml full after one minute on a DO7. If its any less than that, your flow sensor is defective.

I think the CM10 is rated for 800ml/min @ 200 psi.

There is a correction factor to be used... I'll find it.

100 psi = 1.000
125 psi = 1.118
150 psi = 1.225
175 psi = 1.322
200 psi = 1.414
225 psi = 1.500
250 psi = 1.581

So my do12 flows 756 Ml/min @ 100 PSI

You need to subtract for boost and the check valve. I am also at 200 PSI.

200-17(PSI)- 22(PSI Checkvalve) = 161 or 1.27 ISH AKA 960 Ml/Min (in theory).

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

the more meth in the mixture the quicker will be the flow , isn't that's why the little turbine in the flow sensor is getting stock with the 100% meth because the flow is too quick ?

Originally Posted by BrianMN

???

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

lol the more meth in the water meth mixture the faster it flows, that's why the little fan inside the flow sensor gets stock and that's why they fail , that's why they suggest 70/30 mixture , there's no chemical reaction that stops flow sensor from working.

For some reason I am having a hard time believing this. If you were referring to the PUMP, it would make perfect sense, as the weights are different, at meth = 6.6lb/gal, and water at 8.3lb/gal. I I can understand that pumping with a higher percentage of meth (lighter) would take less effort. The reduction in mass/weight MIGHT result in a higher pump/flow speed, but has it been documented how much? This would explain why the flow sensor is reading higher flow.

BUT, you're saying that the rotating mechanism in the flow sensor is failing because of the increased flow passing through? The flow sensor isn't pumping or exerting effort, only spinning and measuring. I just can't imagine the increased flow having a dramatic effect on the failure rate, it seems more of a quality control issue from production.

[Iwantm3]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

For some reason I am having a hard time believing this. If you were referring to the PUMP, it would make perfect sense, as the weights are different, at meth = 6.6lb/gal, and water at 8.3lb/gal. I I can understand that pumping with a higher percentage of meth (lighter) would take less effort. The reduction in mass/weight MIGHT result in a higher pump/flow speed, but has it been documented how much? This would explain why the flow sensor is reading higher flow.

BUT, you're saying that the rotating mechanism in the flow sensor is failing because of the increased flow passing through? The flow sensor isn't pumping or exerting effort, only spinning and measuring. I just can't imagine the increased flow having a dramatic effect on the failure rate, it seems more of a quality control issue from production.

Well because of a low quality when it spins harder it brakes, it kind of makes sense to me, otherwise what else could cause the failure when the meth ratio is high ?

[Chefcg1]

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

Well because of a low quality when it spins harder it brakes, it kind of makes sense to me, otherwise what else could cause the failure when the meth ratio is high ?

I agree that it is just a poor quality build causing the failure.

[Chefcg1]

I have a vishnu (labonte) pump, are you guys leaving it set to 200psi or bumping it up to 250psi?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

^ You should not increase pump speed unless its designed for it. I would leave it at default settings.

I just talked to Dan a little more then an hour ago, and he has a shipment coming in soon and it just has to go through testing. As long as it passes the testing he should be shipping out new units in a couple weeks.

[Chefcg1]

I ordered a CM10 nozzel andI'll see what my readings are with it then determin if the fail safe goes back to labonte.

[Clap135]

couple of weeks? Unreal, I have been without a failsafe for MONTHS now. At this point, I don't even know if I want to run one to begin with as I have NEVER had a meth issue in over 5 years using meth, outside of failsafes....failing.

[Iwantm3]

lolol

[Chefcg1]

Originally Posted by Clap135

couple of weeks? Unreal, I have been without a failsafe for MONTHS now. At this point, I don't even know if I want to run one to begin with as I have NEVER had a meth issue in over 5 years using meth, outside of failsafes....failing.

I agree, I never had any meth issues with my eclipse nor my supra when I did not use a fail safe.

[Iwantm3]

So maybe then fuck the failsafe.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

So maybe then fuck the failsafe.

no because if you do that, you will have that disgusting log u posted on the other site where you were running 18psi without meth. You want to run like that?

[Chefcg1]

No, because I payed for a working failsafe.