[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Still a step or two before the n55 gets DIC. But I suspect sooner than later. Weeks rather than months.

Shiv

That's what you said about the nitrous integration!! It's now 8 months and counting!!!! Lol

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

That's what you said about the nitrous integration!! It's now 8 months and counting!!!! Lol

Throw the bottle in, slap on a switch to engage it, and have at it.

Run dual M10 meth nozzles... and start praying and holding on.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Throw the bottle in, slap on a switch to engage it, and have at it.

Run dual M10 meth nozzles... and start praying and holding on.

I don't have any other safety components and triggering system other than the procede. I went with the nitrous solely because shiv introduced it 8 months ago and said Procede would control all of this but safely and plus you don't need all those modules! Well I went ahead and ordered and installed it 8 months ago and still waiting for it to be functional with Documentation on it. Don't plan on running a big shot. Only want a small bump and I will be only using a .15-20jet. My nitrous bottle has been filled for a while now! All I can do is purge it!!! Lol. Does nitrous not used go bad???

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

I don't have any other safety components and triggering system other than the procede. I went with the nitrous solely because shiv introduced it 8 months ago and said Procede would control all of this but safely and plus you don't need all those modules! Well I went ahead and ordered and installed it 8 months ago and still waiting for it to be functional with Documentation on it. Don't plan on running a big shot. Only want a small bump and I will be only using a .15-20jet. My nitrous bottle has been filled for a while now! All I can do is purge it!!! Lol. Does nitrous not used go bad???

Its in a sealed tank, im sure its fine. I always used my juice within a couple months. I guess the demand (or lack there of) of the nitrous integration put it pretty far on the back burner.

[SLCGoonski]

I'm looking for a sorted DIC... Put on some miles beta testers!

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Its in a sealed tank, im sure its fine. I always used my juice within a couple months. I guess the demand (or lack there of) of the nitrous integration put it pretty far on the back burner.

yeah but there are still a few of us with the demand

[cpt.parrot]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

I don't have any other safety components and triggering system other than the procede. I went with the nitrous solely because shiv introduced it 8 months ago and said Procede would control all of this but safely and plus you don't need all those modules! Well I went ahead and ordered and installed it 8 months ago and still waiting for it to be functional with Documentation on it. Don't plan on running a big shot. Only want a small bump and I will be only using a .15-20jet. My nitrous bottle has been filled for a while now! All I can do is purge it!!! Lol. Does nitrous not used go bad???

You could always just start taking a few wiffs off the bottle so it doesn't go bad. That's the same thing as "laughing gas" right?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by cpt.parrot

You could always just start taking a few wiffs off the bottle so it doesn't go bad. That's the same thing as "laughing gas" right?

I transferred a nitrous bottle to another one time..... everything went smoothly until me and buddy realized it was leaking during the transfer.

Needless to say we had a few good laughs for about 5 minutes. Stuff really works (i dont recommend trying)

[mke135i]

Can I still get some DIC? Emailed

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by cpt.parrot

You could always just start taking a few wiffs off the bottle so it doesn't go bad. That's the same thing as "laughing gas" right?

lol...NO thanks! I rather be laughing at the fact of how fast the car is with nitrous! Either way its just sucks to be stringed along for this long and being promised that it will come out in a week or two and now its 9 months going into this...Not cool.I have been with Procede since it came out 4 years ago and with all the updates I have spent over $2200~, I love the tune but the empty promises is getting played....But on the side note other than that, I am enjoying the new DIC maps and the way the car is performing with these new DIC..

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

lol...NO thanks! I rather be laughing at the fact of how fast the car is with nitrous! Either way its just sucks to be stringed along for this long and being promised that it will come out in a week or two and now its 9 months going into this...Not cool.I have been with Procede since it came out 4 years ago and with all the updates I have spent over $2200~, I love the tune but the empty promises is getting played....But on the side note other than that, I am enjoying the new DIC maps and the way the car is performing with these new DIC..

I totally understand your frustration...but think that you and R100k3 are probably the only people who are looking to have nitrous support right now. Plus, you can still run nitrous right now if you really wanted to; just not have the optimal integration. It's just that Vishnu has a LOT of other demands at the moment, and look how much development they've done over the last 9 months! Nonetheless, the promises/teases must give a wicked case of blue bottles...haha

I've been really interested in seeing how your car works with nitrous..I'd assume it's going to be nuts. How often are you really going to be using it? Will you only use it on the track, or maybe a couple highway pulls daily? Do you have your kit all set up and ready to go? It'd be awesome if you could put together a review/experience thread once you get it all going!

Cheers

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

I totally understand your frustration...but think that you and R100k3 are probably the only people who are looking to have nitrous support right now. Plus, you can still run nitrous right now if you really wanted to; just not have the optimal integration. It's just that Vishnu has a LOT of other demands at the moment, and look how much development they've done over the last 9 months! Nonetheless, the promises/teases must give a wicked case of blue bottles...haha

I've been really interested in seeing how your car works with nitrous..I'd assume it's going to be nuts. How often are you really going to be using it? Will you only use it on the track, or maybe a couple highway pulls daily? Do you have your kit all set up and ready to go? It'd be awesome if you could put together a review/experience thread once you get it all going!

Cheers

It will only be used here and there, it wont be used daily thats for sure! The kit is already installed and I have two wires in the cabin area waiting for instructions on how to finish the install to the Procede...I have been staring at these wires for over 9 months now! lol Its getting a little tiresome at this point...I have spent enough money with Procede through the beginning and its not much to ask for anyways from a loyalist to the Procede platform..I am sure once me and Rk100 gets the nitrous working it will be like a domino effect and others will follow..

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

It will only be used here and there, it wont be used daily thats for sure! The kit is already installed and I have two wires in the cabin area waiting for instructions on how to finish the install to the Procede...I have been staring at these wires for over 9 months now! lol Its getting a little tiresome at this point...I have spent enough money with Procede through the beginning and its not much to ask for anyways from a loyalist to the Procede platform..I am sure once me and Rk100 gets the nitrous working it will be like a domino effect and others will follow..

Yeah for sure. So are you hoping that the procede will send a 12v signal to power the nitrous solenoid or how are you hoping to have it work?

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

I'm sorry, I just gotta really ask....

I havnt driven my car since like december cause I dont drive it in the winter.... That being said.

Are you guys really suggesting the car is faster with these new maps? I mean cmon?

Everytime there is an update everyone is like O M G.....

No disrespect.

Last time I said OMG was the last time i slapped on the bottle of nitrous, that was OMG. 5 HP in the mid-range isnt OMG.

Sorry if im being debby downer, ive been sick for 5 days

Mine is hibernating too!

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The thing that people forget is that people forget is that what you see on a 4th gear, WOT, full speed dyno pull is not what you see during normal driving. For instance, when you are cruising at 4000rpm and suddenly drop the hammer, you do not instantly make the same torque/hp you made at the 4000rpm point in your dyno graph. In fact, you make considerably less for the first few moments of WOT regardless of immediately reaching the same target. And (if you're lucky), engine output will ramp upwards and meet your dyno output by 6000rpm. This just represents how your engine was tuned to respond to the dynamic nature of the real world. It's also why a non turbo car making the same exact power and torque as a turbo car will always be faster from point A to B. With DIC all we did was minimize the delta between what you see on the single gear, slow ramp-up 4th gear WOT dyno pull and what you get in the real world full of load transitions and ramp-up rate changes.

I actually understood that !

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Yeah for sure. So are you hoping that the procede will send a 12v signal to power the nitrous solenoid or how are you hoping to have it work?

Look at this thread, it entails how it works! Also notice the DATE the thread was made, this march will be a year!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364489

[cpt.parrot]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Look at this thread, it entails how it works! Also notice the DATE the thread was made, this march will be a year!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364489

IMHO... I understand your reasons for pushing for nitrous development. But I always buy a product for what it is, instead of what it might be in the future. For me, the continued development of the Procede since the day I bought it is just icing on the cake. You don't get that with a flash! (Or a downpipe... or a catback exhaust... etc.) So, for me, the continued development of this product for the 95% of users is awesome. For you 5% that are operating at the extreme... I'm sure that development will come, it's just a lower priority. Your car is already insanely fast... let the rest of us catch up to make the race interesting! ;-)

[Brey335i]

Relax... the second the other 99.98% of us Procede users catch up to you Nitrous guys, Shiv will implement it for sure

[Mikey_Bo0sts]

Yo Steve I don't get it, why do you need procede integration so bad ? There aren't any other nitrous safety's ? How does everyone else run it ?

[Enicinitas]

You guys need to PM CBR335.... I've been in his car with n2o

He should be getting paid for his work. I won't say any more as he may not want me to. All I can say is that it works without problem, currently, and is faster than you can imagine. I'm sure if you run a proceed and want to push crazy dangerous ground - he could help you - but he's a busy guy and is low key about everything.

Don't do it unless you REALLY know WTF you are doing

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by Mikey_Bo0sts

Yo Steve I don't get it, why do you need procede integration so bad ? There aren't any other nitrous safety's ? How does everyone else run it ?

Reason being that if I was to go that route I would have to buy additional modules to make it safe to run nitrous...Its about another 800-1000 bucks or so, and being that Procede becomes the failsafe and trigger for the nitrous it becomes a no brainer as for safety...

These are Shivs words!
Typical rules of thumb when running nitrous:

-DO NOT to rely on the knock sensor. Because by the time the DME detects and retards timing, engine damage can already be induced. This means your ignition timing map should be proactive when it comes to avoiding knock. Not reactive.

-DO Run high octane fuel for larger nitrous induced power gains. If you are running a small shot that only picks up 15-30whp, octane isn't as critical as the reduction in charge temp goes a long way in reducing knock tendancy. Similar to installing an upgraded intercooler. For larger power gains, running race gas is cheap insurance.

-DO Keep AFR rich. Especially torwards the end of the run as this is where in-cylinder temps are the hottest. This is because heat is accumulated quicker than it is shed.

-DO NOT engine nitrous for more than 10 seconds at a time. This means nitrous is NOT a suitable power adder for those who are running the Texas mile or doing a top speed run on the Autobahn.

-DO NOT engine nitrous when the engine is cold. Engine needs to be fully up to temp with all tolerances within their optimal ranges. Or else excessive wear can occur.

-DO NOT spray nitrous when the throttle is closed or else it will back up and create a very o2 rich condition when the throttle opens up again. This can cause a lean run condition which is a no-no.

-DO NOT spray nitrous until AFR is stabilized. This is especially important when running a dry shot (ie, spraying nitrous alone and not a nitrous/fuel mixture). Spraying nitrous on an already lean-running engine will make it run even leaner. Even if it's just for a very short period of time (until the DME adjusts fuel trims). This may only take a fraction of a second. But for an engine that is spinning at 4000rpm (nearly 70 rotations per second), that is a painful eternity.

-DO NOT engine nitrous at a low engine speed as this can cause a situation where too much nitrous is sprayed onto an engine that isn't consuming air quickly enough. This can cause a nitrous backfire will, as we learned in Fast and the Furious, can blow your manifold off. As well as your diamond plated floorboard. From what I've heard at least.

-DO retard timing during the onset of nitrous. This will soften the initial torque impact as well greatly reduce the tendancy for the engine to knock during that engagement moment.

-DO flutter the solenoid during nitrous engagement. This will also soften the impact of the nitrous and give a little bit more time for the fuel system (which isn't pressurized to 1000psi like the nitrous bottle) to catch up.

-DO NOT engage nitrous while your 6AT is shifting. This will destroy your torque converter and result in shifting problems. Just ask Hotrod about his torque converter and overrev codes.

There is no one single control system that is capable of satisfying all these conditions. Until now. So here is the logic we've whipped up to make sure nitrous is engined only when its safe. And disengaged immediately when conditions aren't safe.

So, the Procede, which fortunately can read heaps of CAN data, will only allow the nitrous trigger to arm when:

- Engine is within the allowable operating CAN oil temp range (170F to 250F).
- Applied throttle is 100%
- Actual CAN throttle is over 75%. This means that the nitrous will flicker off when the actual throttle closes due to boost targetting or traction control intervention. Just triggering off of applied throttle is useless since it does not always reflace actual throttle.
- Methanol must be flowing at least 500ml/min (also read by the Procede)
- AFR must be richer than ~12.5:1
- Boost must be over 10psi (so that it doesn't trigger early during spool-up and create an overboost condition).
- The car is in a gear and NOT in the middle of a gearchange condition. Through CAN data, it detects this regardless of whether you shift at redline or at 4000rpm.
- CAN Ignition advance must be below 14 degrees of timing. This is to avoid engaging nitrous while the DME is in the middle of a calculated load transition. This means the DME doesn't have to react to the knock when it is avoided in the first place.

When ALL these conditions are met, ONLY then will the nitrous trigger be armed. And when arming is combined with the user input (button pressed) the nitrous will spray. Either all at once, or gradually over the next .5-1 second depending on what you want and how big of jet you are running.

[Enicinitas]

CBR - sorry for sending 200 pm's your way