[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Clap135

We both know hotrod wont get into a common sense discussion, so Im not gonna waste my time.

and I'm sure there is a good reason for that, I just want to see this go forward and see the LOOOOOOSH! come out to play.

please

[ZTUNER]

This is why drag racing is gay. Clap and hotrod need to go head to head on the same track, same day

Harry

[themyst]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I have looked at various HP calculators with varying results.

Not trying to argue here, but I'm sorry, I am not really into being a dyno queen or internet racing. I just want to see what the car does in real life, at the track, racing against others, etc. Maybe someday I will go to a dyno, but really have no interest in it.

For the record, I never claimed any type of HP numbers for my car, nor do I care.
And also, the coupe was very fast for reasons I still can't figure out. The sedan is 5mph slower in the traps (128mph) with a bigger 040 nitrous jet. Just the facts. I don't know why...wish I did, if you have any ideas, let me know!

But no biggie, good run you have there...but certainly not the fastest on 91 (93) octane like you were claiming, thats all I was getting at. I'm actually quite disappointed when I can't trap full weight, on RFTs, 91 octane/JB3/JB4.

Actually, can we discuss times run at a track NOT named Sacramento Raceway? I respect Vbox times as much as the next guy. Could you post slope data and ambient conditions from the date? I can run a 9.2 60-130 on a downward slope at 17psi+meth/FBO full weight but that doesn't mean jack except provide glory numbers.

I'm also amazed at the fact you shift at redline each and every time with boost tapering into the 13-14's and pull numbers far better than everyone else out there. That defies physics....

No one's disrespecting what you've contributed to our community for a long time (going on 3 years) but when NOBODY on the East Coast can reproduce your numbers (or Shiv's) on better pump gas and much better DA conditions, something's up; so let's take any run at Sacramento Raceway out of the equation.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by ZTUNER

This is why drag racing is gay. Clap and hotrod need to go head to head on the same track, same day

Harry

Nothing about drag racing, more about how much power a car need to get a certain trap. You built your fair share of cars Harry, 133 trap speed in a 3500-3600 lb car. Im going with 570ish to the rear wheel.

So I guess a dci/dp/30 shot 335 busts out 570 now. Damn impressive.

[ZTUNER]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Nothing about drag racing, more about how much power a car need to get a certain trap. You built your fair share of cars Harry, 133 trap speed in a 3500-3600 lb car. Im going with 570ish to the rear wheel.

So I guess a dci/dp/30 shot 335 busts out 570 now. Damn impressive.

Agreed, its takes a Lot to run 133 mph on a 3500 lb car. Maybe hot rod weights nothing.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by ZTUNER

Agreed, its takes a Lot to run 133 mph on a 3500 lb car. Maybe hot rod weights nothing.

Im on to him, he stages puts a brick on the gas pedal and jumps out. Thats why hes on his 5th 335.....hasnt figure out the stopping part yet

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Nothing about drag racing, more about how much power a car need to get a certain trap. You built your fair share of cars Harry, 133 trap speed in a 3500-3600 lb car. Im going with 570ish to the rear wheel.

So I guess a dci/dp/30 shot 335 busts out 570 now. Damn impressive.

we should go back and discuss his runs in the high 120's before he admitted to running nitrous.

Originally Posted by ZTUNER

Agreed, its takes a Lot to run 133 mph on a 3500 lb car. Maybe hot rod weights nothing.

yes, yes it would. Lets take into the equation a new ZR1 running drag radials in perfect conditions with a great driver can hit 133-134mph as shown at MIR while I was there. So now hotrods car weighs more and traps the same with a powerband nowhere near as good as the ZR1.

discuss

Originally Posted by Clap135

Im on to him, he stages puts a brick on the gas pedal and jumps out. Thats why hes on his 5th 335.....hasnt figure out the stopping part yet

I lol'd

[hotrod182]

Never ran much faster than 123.3mph without nitrous. (This still would have been 126mph at Sacramento). Never ran high 120s without nitrous, nor did I EVER claim to. You see my speeds without nitrous...and quite a bit faster speeds with nitrous. I don't understand why you think there is something to hide, lol. I'm curious, what are the ZR1s getting in the 60-130 department? I though they were around 7.3 seconds? Do you have a listing somewhere besides the one I saw on 6speed on line?

Originally Posted by themyst

Actually, can we discuss times run at a track NOT named Sacramento Raceway? I respect Vbox times as much as the next guy. Could you post slope data and ambient conditions from the date? I can run a 9.2 60-130 on a downward slope at 17psi+meth/FBO full weight but that doesn't mean jack except provide glory numbers.

I'm also amazed at the fact you shift at redline each and every time with boost tapering into the 13-14's and pull numbers far better than everyone else out there. That defies physics....

No one's disrespecting what you've contributed to our community for a long time (going on 3 years) but when NOBODY on the East Coast can reproduce your numbers (or Shiv's) on better pump gas and much better DA conditions, something's up; so let's take any run at Sacramento Raceway out of the equation.

Actually its not as easy as you think. Go ahead and try and run a 9.2 sec 60-130, FBO, 17psi/meth/full weight, on less than a 2% slope. If you can, your car is much faster than average. If you can't run a 9.2 sec run. No big deal, but please post the time and graph so we can all have a good snap shot on the range of performance we are achieving with this platform.

My sub 7 second 60-130 was done on less than a .16% slope!
You ask for proof, here is the video, and matching Vbox Graph. Yes, it probably is the quickest 60-130 time turned by any N54 on the planet. If it isn't, congrats to the person with the faster time. No reason to hate, if I could figure out why the coupe was so much faster than my sedan...believe me, my sedan would be running faster speeds right now! Drag Ets are so dependent on traction, surface prep, LSD, etc. I mean, come on, I'm running 11.5 at 128.6 right now with a 2.0 sec 60' time. "What if I got a 1.7 sec 60' time?" Well looks like the car might do a 10 second run. Just because I don't have traction doesnt make my 11.5 second car weaker than a 11.0 sec car in the power/weight ratio department....thats why the 60-130 is far more telling. Come on guys....get some 60-130 times done and see how your car really accelerates.

[hotrod182]

And here is the actual Sacramento Vbox Screen.
As you can see, the same day Shiv and I ran, the track was recording about 2.7mph fast on the traps. ET on the raw Vbox material is about .2 sec slow because it DOES NOT figure in the 12" roll out. Vbox screen readout with the roll out is very very accurate on the ET.

Sorry I don't have a video of the run...but you can see the time slip on drag times for this run. Its on the number on spot. Days after this, my car was running a full 3mph faster when I used a freshly filled nitrous bottle..

[kjrulz]

didn't realize so many people had so much hate against hotrod til now...

[Joe@TopGearSolutions]

I think its frustration of not knowing how the hell he does it!

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Rob@TopGearSolutions

I think its frustration of not knowing how the hell he does it!

Hey I would like to learn what makes some cars faster than others too. Its frustrating that the sedan is 5mph slower on a 040 jet (I just purchased the other week) than the coupe on the 028 jet. And of course with that exact same 028 jet in my sedan it ran only 125mph (8 mph slower than the coupe!) My car is fully adapted as I run hundreds of 1/4 mile runs, and do a lot of high speed driving, racing, etc.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by kjrulz

didn't realize so many people had so much hate against hotrod til now...

I don't worry about it too much. 90% of the time, its the same exact predictable members (Clap 135/The Myst/Sniz)

On the other hand, I constantly get PMs from members who say they respect my testing and would like to ask me for advice. I try to help bring helpful information to the forum. Not making false claims. I think I do more than my part to prove my numbers every way possible...time slips, videos, Vbox graph etc.

[ZTUNER]

Not hating, just that the numbers don't add up.

Harry

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by ZTUNER

Not hating, just that the numbers don't add up.

Harry

Actually, I'm sorry for messing up Clap's thread. Just had to respond to his comment about having the fastest 93 octane runs on street tires, etc.

[harry$]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Hey I would like to learn what makes some cars faster than others too. Its frustrating that the sedan is 5mph slower on a 040 jet (I just purchased the other week) than the coupe on the 028 jet. And of course with that exact same 028 jet in my sedan it ran only 125mph (8 mph slower than the coupe!) My car is fully adapted as I run hundreds of 1/4 mile runs, and do a lot of high speed driving, racing, etc.

Hot Rod, what tune are you running, jb3 or Jb4? I heard you are still running on jb3?

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by harry$

Hot Rod, what tune are you running, jb3 or Jb4? I heard you are still running on jb3?

Nope, I was tempted to try the JB3 again, but still on the JB4 now (as you can see by my posted logs) JB3 didnt monitor AFR, timing, etc. I don't know if the JB4 is making the car slower on nitrous. Terry doubts it though. On my non nitrous 60-130 runs, the sedan is running pretty much identical times to the coupe. And while the coupe could run 123mph on meth/91, the sedan is close with 122.6mph on meth/97 octane. The other aspect which is different between the coupe and sedan is the DME software. The sedan has the newest BMW software.

[Clap135]

I think you should post more videos. You have time to post the same bullshit over.and.over bit can't answer two very simple.questions? Why is that warren?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Actually, I'm sorry for messing up Clap's thread. Just had to respond to his comment about having the fastest 93 octane runs on street tires, etc.

Where did I say that?

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Keep up with what though? Can you show me any other car on pump gas that ran better? I am having a hard time finding one.

Perhaps your question had other qualifiers on it you didn't mention?
Well except my car had 91 octane, and still has the stock rear exhaust, intercooler.

Originally Posted by Clap135

I think you should post more videos. You have time to post the same bullshit over.and.over bit can't answer two very simple.questions? Why is that warren?

Yup, same record runs, and if I break those records, I will show you the new videos. But until then, why would I post any different videos,timeslips,graphs? (FYI: they are not all the same videos. I have over 100 of them, with almost a 900,000 views and over 110 subscribers.)
I really haven't paid much attention to your question since you seem so defensive all the time. But what exactly is it that you are trying to get at? How much power it takes to go 133mph? Who cares? The car went that fast, that is what is instrumented. Under the same exact test conditons stock, it runs exaclty what a bone stock 335i should wth my test equipment. I don't know how much HP, what does it matter except for internet racers such as you? So I don't know...what do you want me to do about it. What does it change? Are you trying to say its not possible to go that fast? I never claimed anything about HP output on my car. Anything else you don't understand? I mean, do you think I put the Vbox in a ZR1 and ran these results? The video looks and sounds like a BMW 335i to me. Maybe I had George Lucas speed up and edit the video for me, lol. Maybe its a 120 shot of nitrous that somehow only makes 30hp in the sedan? Come on, why do you think it is impossible or I am trying to hide something. What difference would it make and why would I even care? Still record breaking runs no matter how you slice it, even it you took the 2.7mph Sac advantage away, or added over 100lbs to my trunk.

Originally Posted by Clap135

Where did I say that?

See above..on the top post Chris.

Really, no reason to be defensive or argue...but you always seem to be inviting it for some reason. Good luck on achieving your record runs...but when you ask to name someone who has done better, don't get all bent out of shape when someone presents you with the info you are asking for.


And for the record, this has nothing to do with the Cobb tune..The results do look pretty good.

[Sniz]

There is a difference between 'hating' and simply not believing what you post.

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I don't worry about it too much. 90% of the time, its the same exact predictable members (Clap 135/The Myst/Sniz)

On the other hand, I constantly get PMs from members who say they respect my testing and would like to ask me for advice. I try to help bring helpful information to the forum. Not making false claims. I think I do more than my part to prove my numbers every way possible...time slips, videos, Vbox graph etc.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Sniz

There is a difference between 'hating' and simply not believing what you post.

I understand that. But what else am I supposed to do?
I don't have any other hidden mods.
I don't know how much HP my car makes, but whatever you said it takes to run through physics calculations, be my guest.
The car really ran that fast, I posted way more proof than 99% of anyone out there.
There is no reason to conceal any mod you can think of that would make sense. I have documented step by step what I have done. It would still be the same record breaking runs either way.
I myself can't understand why the sedan traps 7mph lower on the same jet. And yes, it feels that much slower too when trapping these slower speeds.

Will I try the JB3 again to see if that makes a difference? Maybe, but I feel safer with the JB4 logging features.

And maybe its the new DME software? Well nothing much I can do about that now.