[thealbert]

Originally Posted by Plan B

Mdelosrey - Thanks for your input. It's refreshing to get a bit of info from someone on the "inside".

Based on what you know, (please feel free to PM me if you don’t want to post your response publicly)...has BMW:
1) Identified the problem(s) with the HPP?
2) Have they made appropriate measures to ensure that the new HPP's are good?
3) If there are updated HPP’s, which month’s build was the first to incorporate them?

Any insight much appreciated.

I would very much appreciate the same questions answered for me as well. Thank you very much!

[revah2]

just a quick question for those of you who had fuel pump failures, where do you usually pump your gas?

[carl_lazlo]

Originally Posted by revah2

just a quick question for those of you who had fuel pump failures, where do you usually pump your gas?

Shell or BP

Sometimes just for fun I put a tankfull of diesel in there.

[valeram]

Any update yet? I also ordered my 335 from Kelly and took delivery on January but a build date of December.

[sp8w]

Originally Posted by Mdelosrey

Also if people are afraid of being stuck on the side of the road because of a faulty HPP, don't worry too much. BMW has put in a failsafe fuel map which uses the "standard" 5bar Fuel pump. Instead of the injectors opening on the compression stroke they will open on the intake stroke since the standard fuel pump cannot overcome the compression. Sure, it might not run like it should but it should be drive-able. Which I think is pretty cool.

That may be true in theory, but not necessarily "failsafe". My HPP went out suddenly with no warning at 65mph and barely allowed me enough power to get to the side of the highway where it died and never started again. The techs at the dealership have had to push my car around the lot and in and of the bay during diagnosis because of this.

[EdmBimmer]

Hey,

I'm a e90 330i owner, but I have a 335i loaner. I was out of town this weekend and got the dreaded "loss of power" an hour away from home. Decided to slow down and take my time so that I wouldn't destroy the car. The car made it, but I went for another trip in the car and it is even worst now.

Should I call BMW Assist and get the car towed, or should I drive it to the dealership tomorrow?

Opps, sorry to thread jack. But I know at least what to tell the SA. I feel bad now, I loved driving the 335i because there is a considerable difference in performance. But I'm glad I don't have this issue of the HPP. I hope it gets resolved ASAP for you 335i drivers, you have one sweet ride.

[thealbert]

Originally Posted by sc88

Should I call BMW Assist and get the car towed, or should I drive it to the dealership tomorrow?

Better have it towed. Because even though the car still works now, once the fuel pump completely dies, you're not going to be able to drive you car very much before the car starts to shut itself down. Better safe than stuck on the shoulder of the road for hours.

[thealbert]

Originally Posted by valeram

Any update yet? I also ordered my 335 from Kelly and took delivery on January but a build date of December.

Car's still at the dealer, still waiting for my fuel pump. Still waiting..

[thealbert]

Originally Posted by revah2

just a quick question for those of you who had fuel pump failures, where do you usually pump your gas?

I fill up at Shell with Vpower.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Mdelosrey

Hey Lazlo, I guess you figured I was in the field. Well I am a VERY new BMW tech. I started full time last week. I have been into cars a very long time and have worked professionally for Subaru/VW prior to BMW. I decided to specialize on a certain make, and decided to go through the STEP program for BMW. I have been very pleased with BMWNA's dedication to their products, that is why I probably felt compelled to post in the first place. Why do you ask? Are you also in the field? Also if people are afraid of being stuck on the side of the road because of a faulty HPP, don't worry too much. BMW has put in a failsafe fuel map which uses the "standard" 5bar Fuel pump. Instead of the injectors opening on the compression stroke they will open on the intake stroke since the standard fuel pump cannot overcome the compression. Sure, it might not run like it should but it should be drive-able. Which I think is pretty cool.

This is not true... sure, they might have a safty program... but it didnt work woth @#$%... I would start the car, drive for about 100 feet, then it would STALL, I would restart, drive for a few feet, then it would stall again...

Some people might have been able to drive in limp mode, but my car wouldnt drive more than 100 feet withough stalling out when the HPP went out.

BE VERY WORRIED, YOU CAN BE STRANDED... I was...

Originally Posted by valeram

Any update yet? I also ordered my 335 from Kelly and took delivery on January but a build date of December.

Small update from the OP: my car is still waiting for a pump to be delivered... tomorrow will be 3 weeks.

[alenda]

Originally Posted by alenda

Add my car to list of cars with a bad fuel pump. I was in Stillwater MN and on the way home I got the dreaded "Engine Malfunction - Loss of Power"

I drove all the way home in a BMW that felt like I was driving an old VW beetle.

Funny thing is that I stopped and re-started the engine a few times and it took a while to start. On the last try it started up like a champ but the service engine soon light is still on.

Should I drive the car to the dealership on Monday or do you think it would be better to have it towed? I dont want to make it worse.

My car has 4500 miles.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

OK So I just got off of the phone with Sears BMW and they said that they think that the problem is actually in the programming of the car. He said the only other thing it could be is a bad fuel injector. I asked about the fuel pump and he said he didnt think that was it. He sounds like he knows what he is talking about so I hope he is right!! They are also replacing the driver side seat due to a strange crease in the leather.

[alenda]

Originally Posted by alenda

Add my car to list of cars with a bad fuel pump. I was in Stillwater MN and on the way home I got the dreaded "Engine Malfunction - Loss of Power"

I drove all the way home in a BMW that felt like I was driving an old VW beetle.

Funny thing is that I stopped and re-started the engine a few times and it took a while to start. On the last try it started up like a champ but the service engine soon light is still on.

Should I drive the car to the dealership on Monday or do you think it would be better to have it towed? I dont want to make it worse.

My car has 4500 miles.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

The dealership just called and said that it was the fuel pump. They ordered it and they said it should be there on wends. I hope it doesnt take as long as some other people have said.

[335i black rider]

having an air/fuel meter..help in this kind of situations ???

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by alenda

OK So I just got off of the phone with Sears BMW and they said that they think that the problem is actually in the programming of the car. He said the only other thing it could be is a bad fuel injector. I asked about the fuel pump and he said he didnt think that was it. He sounds like he knows what he is talking about so I hope he is right!! They are also replacing the driver side seat due to a strange crease in the leather.

its the pump... its ALWAYS the pump... people get the software, drive for another day or so, then the pump poops out... I dont know anyone on here that had these symtoms, and then it didnt end up being the pump.

good luck though...

[thealbert]

Originally Posted by alenda

OK So I just got off of the phone with Sears BMW and they said that they think that the problem is actually in the programming of the car. He said the only other thing it could be is a bad fuel injector. I asked about the fuel pump and he said he didnt think that was it. He sounds like he knows what he is talking about so I hope he is right!! They are also replacing the driver side seat due to a strange crease in the leather.

If your car's under warranty, you might as well try and have your fuel pump replaced. With the time it takes to get the fuel pump delivered to you, you might as well have your name on the waiting list already so in the event that it does break, you have a backup. And it doesn't hurt to have the pump replaced already since they're already opening up your car. But I'm pretty sure its the fuel pump too.

[thealbert]

Originally Posted by alenda

The dealership just called and said that it was the fuel pump. They ordered it and they said it should be there on wends. I hope it doesnt take as long as some other people have said.

hahaha I figured it was the fuel pump from the very begining.

[Schweitzer]

Also if people are afraid of being stuck on the side of the road because of a faulty HPP, don't worry too much"..."It might not run like it should but it should be drive-able.

Not true in my case either. It will start but immediately stall and the engine light illuminates as soon as I give it gas.
By the way, my car has been in the shop for this for over a month now -- with still NO WORD WHEN I WILL GET A HP PUMP.

[Nebo335]

Well this is extremely worrying. I just got the car a month ago and now I have to worry about a fuel pump that may or may not crap out on me. Anyway good luck to those who have this problem. Hopefully I won't join you, but the way my luck is going lately, I would probably crap out on the LIE during rush hour.

[thealbert]

I just got word from my SA. Turns out the fuel pump that they ordered for me is a direct replacement fuel pump. Meaning, it still has all the defects just like the original pump that came with my car. In other words, when this "new" replacement pump is installed, it WILL break on me again! grrr..

So I asked them when they'll have the new/updated/problem free pump and they said there are currently NO new/updated/problem free pumps available that BMW is realeasing at this point in time. I asked them when they would be releasing it and they said they spoke to people at BMWNA and they said there's no time table from BMW right now. I asked them why is it then that everyone else is getting new replacement pumps and basically, from what my dealer told me is that all the replacement pumps that everyone is getting are just a direct replacement and BMWNA has NOT yet released the new/updated/problem free pumps yet.

So what do I do now? I really don't know anymore. My local dealer even told me that even the new cars coming in still have the bad pumps! I've been very positive and very supportive of BMW despite this mess up but now I'm really starting to get annoyed with this whole situation... I expect to see BMW fix this issue very very soon or else...

[alenda]

Originally Posted by thealbert

Car's still at the dealer, still waiting for my fuel pump. Still waiting..

Who has been waiting the longest for this replacement pump?? Im moving back to CT in about 4 weeks. My company is relocating me but I dont think Im going to want them to relo my broken car!! I thought waiting a week has been rough, I see that some people are on week 4!

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by alenda

Who has been waiting the longest for this replacement pump?? Im moving back to CT in about 4 weeks. My company is relocating me but I dont think Im going to want them to relo my broken car!! I thought waiting a week has been rough, I see that some people are on week 4!

my pump died march 27th 2007 been in a bmw 328i loaner car since then.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

my pump died march 27th 2007 been in a bmw 328i loaner car since then.

Damn dude, that sucks..

but hey, ur racking up miles on that car and stuff so it's not too bad..


take a vacation, drive somewhere far far away...haul ur friends around too...that's what id do to get away from the frustration