[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Threads like this make me lol. If I was shiv I would cry after reading this cause no new member would consider your product based off this dialogue. Have fun destroying.g yourself as Cobb takes over. I've said therefore...the fuel limit we currently see is not hardware related but piggy related.

If this is true and both u and Dzenno agree, then why is this even being discussed?

[themyst]

IMO if shiv ackowledged issues as they happened alongside with admitting drawbacks of his tune as they were uncovered, we would all be in a better place right now instead of warring with him.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

If this is true and both u and Dzenno agree, then why is this even being discussed?

I have no idea...I asked the same question on a different forum. He already trapped 120 inane pump gas tune with air to fuel ratios in the 11s the whole way. I asked if he maybe stacked 3 more psi and found a limit of some sort but he still had fuel.

[Elie335]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Threads like this make me lol. If I was shiv I would cry after reading this cause no new member would consider your product based off this dialogue. Have fun destroying.g yourself as Cobb takes over. I've said therefore...the fuel limit we currently see is not hardware related but piggy related.

we don't want you to get banned again lol

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

If this is true and both u and Dzenno agree, then why is this even being discussed?

Because, having 2 people agree (Clap and DZenno) does not constitute the authoritative knowledge on the subject. Simply put, we need more testing done and even though Shiv already did some testing with an heavy duty volt meter (that's what an oscilloscope truly is) it is still not authoritative.

Gotta love the Shiv's tendency to blame it on hardware though... Almost every time someone posts problems with his tune, Shiv says its hardware related. Then in part 1 and part 2 he blames the LPFP being inadequate or faulty. See a pattern here?

[themyst]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Because, having 2 people agree (Clap and DZenno) does not constitute the authoritative knowledge on the subject. Simply put, we need more testing done and even though Shiv already did some testing with an heavy duty volt meter (that's what an oscilloscope truly is) it is still not authoritative.

Gotta love the Shiv's tendency to blame it on hardware though... Almost every time someone posts problems with his tune, Shiv says its hardware related. Then in part 1 and part 2 he blames the LPFP being inadequate or faulty. See a pattern here?

Well said.

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Clap135

I have no idea...I asked the same question on a different forum. He already trapped 120 inane pump gas tune with air to fuel ratios in the 11s the whole way. I asked if he maybe stacked 3 more psi and found a limit of some sort but he still had fuel.

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Because, having 2 people agree (Clap and DZenno) does not constitute the authoritative knowledge on the subject. Simply put, we need more testing done and even though Shiv already did some testing with an heavy duty volt meter (that's what an oscilloscope truly is) it is still not authoritative.

Gotta love the Shiv's tendency to blame it on hardware though... Almost every time someone posts problems with his tune, Shiv says its hardware related. Then in part 1 and part 2 he blames the LPFP being inadequate or faulty. See a pattern here?

Originally Posted by themyst

Well said.

hmm...

It is really hard to find the truth on this forum especially in a way that doesn't involve everyone arguing...

I'll have to see long term where this goes (luckily for me, I am staying tune only with a few bolt ons and don't have to worry about this)

[Bme30]

it is unfortunate things get like this on the forum.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Because, having 2 people agree (Clap and DZenno) does not constitute the authoritative knowledge on the subject. Simply put, we need more testing done and even though Shiv already did some testing with an heavy duty volt meter (that's what an oscilloscope truly is) it is still not authoritative.

Gotta love the Shiv's tendency to blame it on hardware though... Almost every time someone posts problems with his tune, Shiv says its hardware related. Then in part 1 and part 2 he blames the LPFP being inadequate or faulty. See a pattern here?

Totally agree and thus the point of threads like these...all i'm doing is calling for discussion and the community to discuss without battling it out...let's use logs and factual evidence where possible...as for me personally I'll be doing some runs soon on pump+meth only with Cobb controlled AFRs and JB4 upping boost when meth is there and using the stock timing curve and see how it pans out fuel wise...as always I'll post logs and we can discuss...on the road the car definitely pulls more power especially in these 50F temps up here in Canada this time of year..

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

How about a port fuel injection conversion... problems solved

Originally Posted by Questforpower

I am going to point out the obvious here and will probably get flamed for obvious reasons... but someone really needs to start experimenting with standard port injection on this platform. Otherwise, this will be an ongoing battle as in the MS3 DISI world where they can't do sh** - I know because I've owned one as well and the audi/vw world as well (where they have learned to use port injection as secondary injection.)

Already said that on the first page

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by PlutoniumTans

HUH ? I'm new on this forum, never had procede !

Why lie Michail? You and your friends (themyst and clap) may find this all funny. But you guys are spreading misinformation willingly. I've made my points, corrected Dzenno, and have nothing further to say. Why turn this into any more of a charade than it already has become?

Shiv

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Why lie Michail? You and your friends (themyst and clap) may find this all funny. But you guys are spreading misinformation willingly. I've made my points, corrected Dzenno, and have nothing further to say. Why turn this into any more of a charade than it already has become?

Shiv

I should seriously message the moderators and let them know of your negative participation in this thread so they can at least warn you. You've literally destroyed this thread with your recent posts and you're now starting it up again. Please leave this thread alone or contribute something valuable...if I need to rename the thread to make you happy I'll do it just say so but you should really just drop this "everyone is against you" nonsense or, should I dare say, propaganda you're making it out to be...no one here is against you, we're discussing an LPFP upgrade and claims of fuel system "limitations" in the past...be nice you haven't "just" tried to correct me now have you, let's be real...thanks for the corrections you've provided, great info, we'll try to take it from here

[themyst]

Because you refuse to work on the tune aspect of your car and go off blaming hardware. Perhaps this may have been the case in dzennos case, but not in ours.

6at misfires, timing flatline, boost oscillation, etc.

Oh, and I tried running my water hose inferior pps meth kit with Cobb stage 2 and guess what? No timing flatline. Hmm.... So no your pwm meth kit isn't the answer.

Your responses to issues such as above are reasons why so many people dislike you or give you no credibility. If you don't have a fix or can't fix it, let us know so we can move on.

[E3r2E9r]

As a new member all I've seen is the same select few individuals in every thread talking about how they dont like Shiv or his available tunes in the past so I ask what is the best tune and why is there constant bickering if your car run so well now.

[Skydive]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Lol STFU open your eyes up a bit and try to stay on topic

Hey...

Factually, you and I agree on more than you realize. It's your juvenile approach to the debate and your own self-image that it entertaining to me.

Ideally, I'd like to tune my car by means of flash, while using the Procede for methanol control. (I don't personally expect that I'll encounter fuel supply issues because I don't expect to move past the stock turbos on my own car.) When I look at what Vishnu has done with the Procede I believe that this is a viable long-term strategy for business success as well, but there are pitfalls there too. (ie: Do you allow people to run the Procede atop competing tunes, and provide tools to make calibration possible? That constitutes certain inherent risks, but the market gets a lot bigger. On the other hand, making only your own flash tune available underneath the Procede gives you a lot more quality control.)

I have considerable experience with the 044 pump in particular, and I have a pretty good idea what to do in the injector front as well, (without having to hack together a port injection implementation), but its personally a non-issue for me. That said... Your uber-attitude is off putting to me and I am reluctant to provide you with the benefit of my experience or that of my contacts. (Granted, you didn't ask for it, but you ostensibly started this thread in order to foster such collaboration, right?)

I mean, right?

-Michael

PS: Your version of Shiv's visit to your hometown is pretty typical of the way commercial tuners operate. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it's by no means uncommon.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by E3r2E9r

As a new member all I've seen is the same select few individuals in every thread talking about how they dont like Shiv or his available tunes in the past so I ask what is the best tune and why is there constant bickering if your car run so well now.

So why are you bringing up this topic in this thread then? Create a new thread for yourself or, the best thing you can do for yourself, run all of them and see what you like...they all have free trial periods available...

[E3r2E9r]

Originally Posted by dzenno

So why are you bringing up this topic in this thread then? Create a new thread for yourself or, the best thing you can do for yourself, run all of them and see what you like...they all have free trial periods available...

I picked up Cobb for great price but still have buyers remorse. Sorry off topic but this thread was far off topic and I thought I was dealing with knowledge people in here. Much apologies.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Skydive

Hey...

Factually, you and I agree on more than you realize. It's your juvenile approach to the debate and your own self-image that it entertaining to me.

Ideally, I'd like to tune my car by means of flash, while using the Procede for methanol control. (I don't personally expect that I'll encounter fuel supply issues because I don't expect to move past the stock turbos on my own car.) When I look at what Vishnu has done with the Procede I believe that this is a viable long-term strategy for business success as well, but there are pitfalls there too. (ie: Do you allow people to run the Procede atop competing tunes, and provide tools to make calibration possible? That constitutes certain inherent risks, but the market gets a lot bigger. On the other hand, making your own flash tune available underneath the Procede gives you a lot more quality control.)

I have considerable experience with the 044 pump in particular, and I have a pretty good idea what to do in the injector front as well, (without having to hack up do a port injection implementation), but its personally a non-issue for me. That said... Your uber-attitude is off putting to me and I am reluctant to provide you with the benefit of my experience or that of my contacts. (Granted, you didn't ask for it, but you ostensibly started this thread in order to foster such collaboration, right?)

I mean, right?

-Michael

PS: Your version of Shiv's visit to your hometown is pretty typical of the way commercial tuners operate. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it's by no means uncommon.

I really don't want to continue down the path of discussing my image on here and never have let's just drop it man, no one here has to like anyone at a personal level...

still trying to get this thread on topic somehow and I really don't know how...yours and everyone's participation is much appreciated but let's just drop the bickering nonsense...if I've made posts/comments suggesting at my personal image let me know and I'll remove them and apologize for posting such nonsensical bs as this is a car forum...i really think i haven't but i'm human like all of us and do make mistakes, so let me know..

[PlutoniumTans]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Why lie Michail? You and your friends (themyst and clap) may find this all funny. But you guys are spreading misinformation willingly. I've made my points, corrected Dzenno, and have nothing further to say. Why turn this into any more of a charade than it already has become?

Shiv

Who's Michail ? I'm Abdul ! and the reason why I said in yo0o face was because it was funny how he WENT AT IT ! But anyway what misinformation has Michail ever spread about you ? The fact that you totaly ignored him when he had major boost oscilations with DIC maps and you blamed it on a BOV and didn't want to help him ? Otherwise there was no misinfomation as far as I can recall, we're talking about Mikey_Bo0sts, Iwantm3 kid right ? , if there was more help from your side he would've probably never switched back to jb4. You are your own enemy, you think people don't like you just because your Indian or something ? No! Just make friends, be honest and take responsibilities and people will support you even if your tune has flaws. But I'm not Michail, I'm Abdul Rahmat Azis Fattah

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Why lie Michail? You and your friends (themyst and clap) may find this all funny. But you guys are spreading misinformation willingly. I've made my points, corrected Dzenno, and have nothing further to say. Why turn this into any more of a charade than it already has become?

Shiv

Speaking of spreading misinformation. You realize I have no idea who that kid is right?

[Overboost]

Hey Dzenno.
Nothing good has really come out of this thread so far. Perhaps waiting until you conduct your own research before posting would stop all this childish bickering (not directed towards you). I understand that you are trying to bring up an idea that may be good for the whole community but to be honest the title of the post seems as if you were mocking Shiv and would suggest that you have some kind of problem with him. No one here can really comment on what has happened between you and shiv and as such, no one should be choosing sides or getting involved. If you are happier with the Cobb then so be it.

Even clap has taken somewhat of a back seat in this one but honestly to a lot of members in the community it just seems as if you all indirectly and sometime directly attack the procede and shiv. At the end of the day it could just be wording but its good to remember that it is not always possible for people to detect sarcasm on the forum.

Shiv does make a living doing this so I would say it is quite warranted for him to defend his tune.

[Overboost]

Now there's about 100+ posts that need to be deleted out of this thread including the ones that i have made.