[Bagelfast]

Vbox is def. more real world and give you alot more info on how fast and what mods give you in terms of power/speed. Vbox>dyno..
vbox has helped me get my car alot faster then just numbers on the dyno that can vary.
JMHO

[hemi to e90]

60-130 runs are what interest me the most.

[Beemw335]

No offense hotrod, but cut the crap.
So what if you run nitrous, more power to you man, its a cheqo way to add bjg power!
But dont try to convice people that your car is somehow faster than theirs when you bkth have thr same engine...oh and factory freak Lol cmon its your second freakishly fast car..

[triggz]

I believe Hotrod...anything is possible

I won a run against my buddies C63 with Kleeman only and I wasn't even spraying meth (FBO only)

There are so many factors involved - gear, rpm, weight, weather, etc

Maybe HR got lucky and had the perfect jump. I wish you ran the white c63 more than once as I got spanked 3 runs, and took 1 run down. So maybe you just had the better run in the vid.

[Overboost]

Originally Posted by Beemw335

No offense hotrod, but cut the crap.
So what if you run nitrous, more power to you man, its a cheqo way to add bjg power!
But dont try to convice people that your car is somehow faster than theirs when you bkth have thr same engine...oh and factory freak Lol cmon its your second freakishly fast car..

Its also his second weight reduced car. He's never really mentioned everything he has taken out of the car to reduce weight but I have a feeling not many of us have done as much as he has. People always mention that 100lbs equals 0.1 of a second in the quarter mile but I find it so hard to believe that you can make a generalization like that to include all cars with their respective drag coefficients, overall power and where the weight is being taken from. He has reduced his unsprung mass significantly reducing the amount of inertia the powertrain has to overcome. Faster acceleration!

[Overboost]

No offense to anyone, but are people only trying to refute hotrods claims for personal gain?

[chili36]

Originally Posted by Beemw335

But dont try to convice people that your car is somehow faster than theirs when you bkth have thr same engine.

Seriously? C'mon buddy.. please tell me you were drunk when you wrote that.

[Kris 335i]

I am curious as to what weight reduction he has made, you would think for the benefit of the 335 community he would share what has made him successful.

[bmwm3redblack]

Anyway Hortod got great numbers all the time, and proved it with vbox,and videos,so why argue?

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Kris 335i

I am curious as to what weight reduction he has made, you would think for the benefit of the 335 community he would share what has made him successful.

+1 I would love to know the specifics of his weight reduction. I know about the Kosei wheels and seat removal, but is there anything missing from this?

[SIKH335]

If your up in the bay area on Wednesday night let's meet up. You are in my neighborhood it only makes sense. I will be driving out to Tahoe on Thanksgiving but am free on Wednesday night. I'm also glad you were able to come to some terms with Mflow.

[Beemw335]

Originally Posted by chili36

Seriously? C'mon buddy.. please tell me you were drunk when you wrote that.

On my iphone, excuse my typos, obviously thats all you had to say..

[Beemw335]

Originally Posted by bmwm3redblack

Anyway Hortod got great numbers all the time, and proved it with vbox,and videos,so why argue?

Nobody is denying that.
We all know that hotrods car is fast..very fast, but for him to say that his car is faster than other 335i's that are fbo(while he isnt) is quite ridiculous.
He does have his seats taken out and light wheels, however he is somehow faster than 135i's which are much lighter than his sedan.
I do believe that he tests everything and since he is auto well there isnt much error possible.
But for him to be much faster than other cars than it either means that hes either running nitrous on runs that he claims he doesnt or he reduced a lot more weight than just wheel and seat removals.

If hotrods car is a "factory freak" than he should dyno his car and shut us all up.
And for those of you saying that his car is a factory freak and standing by that statement, then you guys are a joke, its his second 335 thats faster than others.

[zeel]

Originally Posted by themyst

+1 I would love to know the specifics of his weight reduction. I know about the Kosei wheels and seat removal, but is there anything missing from this?

+1 ...glovebox delete also lol. How much weight reduction could come from:

kosei wheels
passenger seat removal
rear seat cushion
lightweight battery
lightweight hood
lightweight trunk

etc?... I remember seeing a weight removal thread awhile back said around 200lbs could possibly be reduced. I'll have to search.

[turb0mik3]

Originally Posted by Overboost

No offense to anyone, but are people only trying to refute hotrods claims for personal gain?

I have no personal gain out of this, haha. I suck ass at 30-120 runs, I am just still amazed a car could do this with what little mods he has, that's all.

Originally Posted by themyst

+1 I would love to know the specifics of his weight reduction. I know about the Kosei wheels and seat removal, but is there anything missing from this?

I am too. The autos I believe are also a little heavier. I have added weight savings in my brakes, M3 parts, exhaust, etc...

This has turned friendly so lets just keep it that way. I am still having a hard time believing this but I am willing to admit I am wrong, no problem.

[rader1]

I think you guys are also missing out on another big part of the equation: tires. Hotrod actually uses appropriate tires for the testing he's doing. A lot of FBO+ meth cars are running "high performance summer tire" which just do not perform as the DR do. Thats why a lot of people aren't replicating his results. And then the FBO cars that are using DRs are hitting and/or surpassing HR traps and ETs(as already pointed out a few times.) I shake my head when i see 400+whp cars on here always bitching about traction and just not figuring out to order a set of MT ET streets.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by Beemw335

On my iphone, excuse my typos, obviously thats all you had to say..

Nothing to do with typos.
What are you implying when you say...

Originally Posted by Beemw335

But dont try to convice people that your car is somehow faster than theirs when you both have the same engine.

[Lulz_M3]

Originally Posted by Beemw335

If hotrods car is a "factory freak" than he should dyno his car and shut us all up.
And for those of you saying that his car is a factory freak and standing by that statement, then you guys are a joke, its his second 335 thats faster than others.

I mean he does have a vbox... Maybe he vbox's cars before he buys them to look for stronger engines...

[Bagelfast]

Its all in the details.. Esp wen you have a VBOX, you can really see what ur car loves and doesnt and work on that...
what does the N54 love.. LOW IAT, high octane and high boost to make big power (mostly meth).... get it to the ground correctly, lower weight and u got urself a fast car. HOTROD has always pushed his car, wether it be running crazy amounts of boost on pump or on meth.

Using the vbox is optimize ur launches and power of the car and different changes is one of the most important things u can do.

My personal self using a vbox not only have my 0-60 times been cut from ma first time out of 5.3 (FBO!!!! i was like wtf?) im now down to a 4.3...
This goes along with all my 1/4 mile times which use to suck and im still practicing at now only getting better with the vbox change different boost, octane and config of my car..

Also DA and outside temp, among all other details counts!
Be surprised how many guys have a FBO car and how disappointed they are when they tell everyone they are FBO and made 400+whp on a dyno and there losing to a car that should be slower etc.
1/4 practice and vbox!!FTW

[turb0mik3]

Originally Posted by rader1

I think you guys are also missing out on another big part of the equation: tires. Hotrod actually uses appropriate tires for the testing he's doing. A lot of FBO+ meth cars are running "high performance summer tire" which just do not perform as the DR do. Thats why a lot of people aren't replicating his results. And then the FBO cars that are using DRs are hitting and/or surpassing HR traps and ETs(as already pointed out a few times.) I shake my head when i see 400+whp cars on here always bitching about traction and just not figuring out to order a set of MT ET streets.

Originally Posted by 1LUMI335

Its all in the details.. Esp wen you have a VBOX, you can really see what ur car loves and doesnt and work on that...
what does the N54 love.. LOW IAT, high octane and high boost to make big power (mostly meth).... get it to the ground correctly, lower weight and u got urself a fast car. HOTROD has always pushed his car, wether it be running crazy amounts of boost on pump or on meth.

Using the vbox is optimize ur launches and power of the car and different changes is one of the most important things u can do.

My personal self using a vbox not only have my 0-60 times been cut from ma first time out of 5.3 (FBO!!!! i was like wtf?) im now down to a 4.3...
This goes along with all my 1/4 mile times which use to suck and im still practicing at now only getting better with the vbox change different boost, octane and config of my car..

Also DA and outside temp, among all other details counts!
Be surprised how many guys have a FBO car and how disappointed they are when they tell everyone they are FBO and made 400+whp on a dyno and there losing to a car that should be slower etc.
1/4 practice and vbox!!FTW

These are all valid points but I am refering to the highway pull, where tires really don't make a difference at all. As long as you aren't spinning, which I wasn't during my runs.

No doubt 1/4 mile is a different story. Camber FTL.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by rader1

I think you guys are also missing out on another big part of the equation: tires. Hotrod actually uses appropriate tires for the testing he's doing. A lot of FBO+ meth cars are running "high performance summer tire" which just do not perform as the DR do. Thats why a lot of people aren't replicating his results. And then the FBO cars that are using DRs are hitting and/or surpassing HR traps and ETs(as already pointed out a few times.) I shake my head when i see 400+whp cars on here always bitching about traction and just not figuring out to order a set of MT ET streets.

Lol I don't complain and I got all season street tires. I actually have no issues hooking in 2nd gear at all. 1st gear is another story though.

[Beemw335]

Originally Posted by chili36

Nothing to do with typos.
What are you implying when you say...

Wow, you really have a hard time understanding things dont you?
I dont know if I can put it in simpler terms for you....
How can his 335 be faster than other 335s that have more mods than him?
Now do you get it???