[alr335xi]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

What's done is done, the install is almost done and he's going to have some very nice results. I personally would have just gotten shiv's single with the smallest turbo if you wanted to keep more low end yet still support up to 600whp or so.

Please keep in mind that the single turbo has not been fitted on an XI. There is no certainty that it will fit. I do have a few more obstacles in the way! If I was in California, I would let them try for sure.

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by alr335xi

Please keep in mind that the single turbo has not been fitted on an XI. There is no certainty that it will fit. I do have a few more obstacles in the way! If I was in California, I would let them try for sure.

I was thinking about sending my car recently when I thought my turbos were dying but it was just a boost leak. I think he has an XI or is getting one from someone soon.

[alr335xi]

Originally Posted by MrClean335i

I dont understand how people still believe in ASR....

I hope you are speaking from personal experience!! You can't believe everything you read. I had my doubt at first but Robert and Shiv both stood up for Abid and ASR and so far they has been nothing but professional and there at every step. I had Abid on the phone late sunday night with install questions. His customer service has be top notch all the way thru the process.

[alr335xi]

Originally Posted by onebadmofo

From the pictures ASR is using OEM flapper.
The wastegate flapper itself is what is rattling, the actuator has almost nothing to do with rattle.
I am dissapoint.

The fact of the matter is that the wastegate flapper has never rattled or failed on any of ASR's turbo upgrades nor will they ever. The rattling comes from the incorrect tension from the stock actuator during vacuum to boost transition. If the flapper is the problem, how come non of ASR's turbo upgrades have wastegate rattle issues? To make matters worse you constantly see RB and his fan base trying every method they can to make false claims about ASR's product just to promote their own, pretty childish and unprofessional if you ask me. RB even went as far as stating that Shiv was having problems tuning ASR's turbos with stock actuators, so they decided to make an actuator upgrade to mask the problem, which is a complete made up and fabricated lie. The fact is RB doesn't have the funding or the knowledge to to do things the correct way, so they bad mouth others to promote that what they're doing is the best method since they don't have a leg to stand on. They say we charge too much, but yet they are paying over $3k for turbos that cost $150-$200 per turbo that are 20 year old technology from a guy that works out of his garage or basement with no pone number or store front, go figure. He doesn't even offer a 1 year warranty like ASR does, no one in the industry offers any warranty on turbo upgrades like they do. Also, why do more than half of RB's customers complain about their turbos smoking which is documented all over the Internet? These are the guys that will never understand no matter how many facts you put in their face.

[alr335xi]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

I was thinking about sending my car recently when I thought my turbos were dying but it was just a boost leak. I think he has an XI or is getting one from someone soon.

Not exactly, I just spoke to them. I was in Cali they could have my car!! This is a track car for me and not my daily. I could afford not to have it for a while!

[alr335xi]

Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

Me neither. You are going to be paying twice as much for similar results as RB's and even then the customer service of ASR is shoddy at best.

wrong, well just see the dyno results. As far as the customer service, Abid has been professional and available all the way thru

[onebadmofo]

Originally Posted by alr335xi

That is not correct and ASR turbos do not rattle. Increasing the tension on the wastegate flapper only causes more lag. The billet forge actuator has been tested and does help with this!

Well I wish you good luck with that, I'll put a reminder in my calender a year from now to bump this thread quoting this reply and asking how you rattle doing

[Aridk]

Check Vishnu's facebook page "ASR upgraded twin turbos just arrived"???

[alr335xi]

Originally Posted by Aridk

Check Vishnu's facebook page "ASR upgraded twin turbos just arrived"???

Not me, another customer. Same set up.

[amclint]

Originally Posted by alr335xi

The fact of the matter is that the wastegate flapper has never rattled or failed on any of ASR's turbo upgrades nor will they ever. The rattling comes from the incorrect tension from the stock actuator during vacuum to boost transition. If the flapper is the problem, how come non of ASR's turbo upgrades have wastegate rattle issues?

How many ASR kits are out there? I've looked and haven't found very many references to customers that are running them. In fact searching around for information about ASR I was having trouble finding very much information on them at all.

Originally Posted by alr335xi

The fact is RB doesn't have the funding or the knowledge to to do things the correct way, so they bad mouth others to promote that what they're doing is the best method since they don't have a leg to stand on. They say we charge too much, but yet they are paying over $3k for turbos that cost $150-$200 per turbo that are 20 year old technology from a guy that works out of his garage or basement with no pone number or store front, go figure.

I was following you until this part, while I'm somewhat new to turbo cars, you're the first one I've heard of claiming Rob @ RB doesn't know what he's doing.

I wasn't aware Rob's changes to the Turbos only cost $150-200 each? Seems like the changes he makes to them is where the cost comes in. I may be wrong but I thought the RBs had to be sent out for some kind of machining work. So is the ASR turbo a completely new turbo, or is it a hybrid that has similar changes to the RB units?

Also not sure what's wrong with running a small volume business, and what if anything it has to do with the quality of a product. Are you suggesting that you need a storefront in order to sell quality products?

Also I find it odd that you're comment says "They say we charge too much", who is we? Do you work for ASR? I have to say this part of your post sounds VERY odd for a customer of ASR, it would make more sense if you had some affiliation to them. Also, you say "so they bad mouth others" in a post where you are clearly doing the same to RB/Rob...

Originally Posted by alr335xi

Also, why do more than half of RB's customers complain about their turbos smoking which is documented all over the Internet?

I wasn't aware that half of all RBs had problems, I do remember a thread about RBs burning oil and only a few guys posted had issues while many other guys running RBs said they had no issues at all. Of course this could be how they were using their cars, many stockers have issues burning oil too but a great many more do not

Originally Posted by alr335xi

These are the guys that will never understand no matter how many facts you put in their face.

After your post, I'm starting to understand why I see similarities in RB vs ASR and Procede vs JB4, when you add a dose of fanaticism to conversations the facts don't matter much from either side and are taken with a grain of salt.

I am as of yet undecided on going with upgraded twins or a single, so the topic is one that I have followed for the last several months and will continue to do so. Overall, I'm still tuning in to see the results of Gen 2, 600whp is a big claim and I hope it can be made on twins.

[secretsquirrel]

Originally Posted by mykal335xi

Also I find it odd that you're comment says "They say we charge too much", who is we? Do you work for ASR? I have to say this part of your post sounds VERY odd for a customer of ASR, it would make more sense if you had some affiliation to them.

I thought it was odd also. My first impression was that he got that from a response email from ASR when he voiced some questions to them.

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by alr335xi

The fact of the matter is that the wastegate flapper has never rattled or failed on any of ASR's turbo upgrades nor will they ever. The rattling comes from the incorrect tension from the stock actuator during vacuum to boost transition. If the flapper is the problem, how come non of ASR's turbo upgrades have wastegate rattle issues? To make matters worse you constantly see RB and his fan base trying every method they can to make false claims about ASR's product just to promote their own, pretty childish and unprofessional if you ask me. RB even went as far as stating that Shiv was having problems tuning ASR's turbos with stock actuators, so they decided to make an actuator upgrade to mask the problem, which is a complete made up and fabricated lie. The fact is RB doesn't have the funding or the knowledge to to do things the correct way, so they bad mouth others to promote that what they're doing is the best method since they don't have a leg to stand on. They say we charge too much, but yet they are paying over $3k for turbos that cost $150-$200 per turbo that are 20 year old technology from a guy that works out of his garage or basement with no pone number or store front, go figure. He doesn't even offer a 1 year warranty like ASR does, no one in the industry offers any warranty on turbo upgrades like they do. Also, why do more than half of RB's customers complain about their turbos smoking which is documented all over the Internet? These are the guys that will never understand no matter how many facts you put in their face.

alr335xi, wow! now I think much less of you for being a non-paying vendor proxy. Have you given your account credentials to Abid or do you just post what he tells you? I hope your project works out well, I really do. I noticed the dig on RB earlier in reference to turbos being built in a garage, but let it go. The post above is way over the top. I hope you have done your homework in terms of reading up on other boards (not just 3 series or BMW) on people's reputations. Rob Beck has gone above and beyond with customer service and delivering a very good bang for the buck option to this community.

-Good luck from a perfectly running RB turbo customer.

[BMWsky]

This thread is getting very sketchy.

[Rob@RBTurbo]

Hilarious.

[2Times]

I just want to see results, I don't care if someone is a customer, vendor... or the inverter of the turbo.

[oddjob2021]

Originally Posted by mykal335xi

How many ASR kits are out there? I've looked and haven't found very many references to customers that are running them. In fact searching around for information about ASR I was having trouble finding very much information on them at all.

I was following you until this part, while I'm somewhat new to turbo cars, you're the first one I've heard of claiming Rob @ RB doesn't know what he's doing.

... So is the ASR turbo a completely new turbo, or is it a hybrid that has similar changes to the RB units?

...Also not sure what's wrong with running a small volume business, and what if anything it has to do with the quality of a product. Are you suggesting that you need a storefront in order to sell quality products?

I am as of yet undecided on going with upgraded twins or a single, so the topic is one that I have followed for the last several months and will continue to do so. Overall, I'm still tuning in to see the results of Gen 2, 600whp is a big claim and I hope it can be made on twins.

to start, i'm not sure why the OP responded so harshly. with that said here are the answers to your questions.

-there are many asr n54 turbo kits out there. domestic but also overseas afaik. last i checked he's on his 4th or 5th batch. 10 per.

-i call the upgrade a hybrid because it uses the stock exhaust manifold and modifies it. rb and td do the same so that's why i and many call them similar. there are obvious differences, but they are similar. even when stage2 (upp'd comp. wheel) is out for sale it is still a similar design to the other hybrid kits, just will make more power with possibly less boost.

-as a matter of fact ASR is also quite a small operation. 2 people to be exact, as far as the building side: abid, the engineer/fabricator, and chris his mechanic.

-good on you. i would do the same in your shoes. wait. wait until you see definitive results. FBIS makes some awesome reviews and will be doing shiv's single. then you have me, frank (lamia2super) and the OP to go off of asr stage 2. and you have many rb testimonials to go off of as he has not modified his kit from release.

[alr335xi]

Originally Posted by scottp999

alr335xi, wow! now I think much less of you for being a non-paying vendor proxy. Have you given your account credentials to Abid or do you just post what he tells you? I hope your project works out well, I really do. I noticed the dig on RB earlier in reference to turbos being built in a garage, but let it go. The post above is way over the top. I hope you have done your homework in terms of reading up on other boards (not just 3 series or BMW) on people's reputations. Rob Beck has gone above and beyond with customer service and delivering a very good bang for the buck option to this community.

-Good luck from a perfectly running RB turbo customer.

Look I am not an employer of ASR or affiliated with them at all. I am just a loyal customer that has been doing research on turbo upgrades for my car for a year now. I have chosen to go with ASR and with that said of course my posts are going to support my choice and back their product.

I can not speak for the other customers of theirs that might of had issues. I have read those posts and still after taking to Abid, I still chose to work with them.

Sorry if you are offended!!

[alr335xi]

Originally Posted by oddjob2021

to start, i'm not sure why the OP responded so harshly. with that said here are the answers to your questions.

-there are many asr n54 turbo kits out there. domestic but also overseas afaik. last i checked he's on his 4th or 5th batch. 10 per.

-i call the upgrade a hybrid because it uses the stock exhaust manifold and modifies it. rb and td do the same so that's why i and many call them similar. there are obvious differences, but they are similar. even when stage2 (upp'd comp. wheel) is out for sale it is still a similar design to the other hybrid kits, just will make more power with possibly less boost.

-as a matter of fact ASR is also quite a small operation. 2 people to be exact, as far as the building side: abid, the engineer/fabricator, and chris his mechanic.

-good on you. i would do the same in your shoes. wait. wait until you see definitive results. FBIS makes some awesome reviews and will be doing shiv's single. then you have me, frank (lamia2super) and the OP to go off of asr stage 2. and you have many rb testimonials to go off of as he has not modified his kit from release.

Didn't mean to come across harsh. Sorry that is how is was worded!! Too many opinions.

[onebadmofo]

Originally Posted by alr335xi

They say we charge too much, but yet they are paying over $3k for turbos that cost $150-$200 per turbo that are 20 year old technology from a guy that works out of his garage or basement with no pone number or store front, go figure.

Originally Posted by alr335xi

Look I am not an employer of ASR or affiliated with them at all.

Make up your mind already

FYI Rob Beck has been in business for years. I was running his turbos in my old 3000GT years ago.

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by alr335xi

Sorry if you are offended!!

I'm not offended, but you are helping fan the flames. It would be much nicer to see the results sooner rather than later, and let them speak for themselves. There are many claims against a competitor that you could have easily avoided making. Things like saying there is no warranty, or phone number are completely wrong. To make those claims it seems to come from a place of anger, maybe not from yourself, but from someone.

For example:

Originally Posted by alr335xi

...from a guy...with no pone number or store front, go figure. He doesn't even offer a 1 year warranty like ASR does

The phone number, email, etc. is on his web site. The 1 year warranty is on his web site.

I have never spoken poorly about another vendors turbo solutions. I have speculated that some of these add-ons may not result in big gains on these size turbos, but that speculation can be put to rest with some results posted by customers. Remember the claim is much better than the alternative, so we are all waiting to see it from unbiased sources.

Thanks,
Scott

[Rob@RBTurbo]

Yes. I do also answer the phone. Well when I can. If not leave a VM and I will get back with you ASAP. Even if you are ASRs customer looking anywhere for relief. Bold accusations in here, that's for sure.

[alr335xi]

This is getting out of hand as I expected. Like I said to many opinions.

I will be at the Dyno Saturday. The build isn't complete yet. As I mentioned, I broke the water neck coming off the block. I have one in hand but my shop's lift is tied up until Thursday night. I have to work on the car in the evenings or weekends. I am doing the install myself with the help of a friend with a shop.