[ian2002525]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Thx yeah I had a really bad run against the e85 GT-R as I ran into the fuel cut off twice on that run...lol, but it wouldn't have mattered...those things can fly. It's amazing that it only takes about $13-$15k to convert to e85 and the car transforms into a monster!

Actually for GTR converting to e85 fuel would only cost less than $1k for 1000cc injectors and fuel pumps plus e85 tuning.
FBO parts like catless dps, midpipe, exhaust, intakes, turbo inlets, FMIC and BOV would only cost you less than $5K.....
The conclusion is twin turbo cars FTW!!! easy and cheap to modify!!

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by ian2002525

Actually for GTR converting to e85 fuel would only cost less than $1k for 1000cc injectors and fuel pumps plus e85 tuning.
FBO parts like catless dps, midpipe, exhaust, intakes, turbo inlets, FMIC and BOV would only cost you less than $5K.....
The conclusion is twin turbo cars FTW!!! easy and cheap to modify!!

Ok I have never researched myself but I asked the GT-R owners and this is what they told me. The sponsors at the Shift-S3ctor event confirmed this cost as well. This is for new parts and labor.

[ian2002525]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Ok I have never researched myself but I asked the GT-R owners and this is what they told me. The sponsors at the Shift-S3ctor event confirmed this cost as well. This is for new parts and labor.

ok....new parts maybe. but performance wise is still the same!!

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

You too Wedge! Still can't believe how fast your car is running on the stock turbo's. Your car is a freak for sure. So are you replacing the turbos with stockers or are you upgrading??



Got the ESS blower in August and the M3 in September

Got rid of the 335i in November and got a 4-door STi instead for DD.

The RX-7 is a beast. I didn't mention it in the vid but the owner (Mark) mentioned that it was a built motor with a 7,300 RPM rev limit. Just imagine a 2,500 lb car making ~ 525 wheel HP/TQ. It's hard to keep under control. He does mid-1:30's at Laguna Seca without pushing it.

I hear that. The car is a handful to drive at the limit and I'm referring to my Z06. If it weighed as much as the RX-7 it would be nuts.

[Killerfish2012]

To shiv, Vargas, and all the single turbo owners: It is pretty pointless to continue to try and race the supercharged DCT E90/2 M3s. They have the advantage in these roll on events. It seems that no matter how high the horsepower gets on the N54, you simply can't over come the engineered advantages of; the 7 speed DCT, the flat torque curve from 4K rpm-redline, the 3.15 final drive, and nearly 9,000rpm redline (Most of those guys raised their redline). Why not race drew, longboarder and company from a dig with some mickey thompsons, at these events instead? That way you can use our low end torque advatange.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

To shiv, Vargas, and all the single turbo owners: It is pretty pointless to continue to try and race the supercharged DCT E90/2 M3s. They have the advantage in these roll on events. It seems that no matter how high the horsepower gets on the N54, you simply can't over come the engineered advantages of; the 7 speed DCT, the flat torque curve from 4K rpm-redline, the 3.15 final drive, and nearly 9,000rpm redline (Most of those guys raised their redline). Why not race drew, longboarder and company from a dig with some mickey thompsons, at these events instead? That way you can use our low end torque advatange.

We beat the supercharged DCT M3s just fine thank you

Shiv

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

We beat the supercharged DCT M3s just fine thank you

Shiv

Drew? From a roll right? Video please, thanks, cuz longboarder destroyed the single in that video, and drew destroyed longboarder.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

Drew? From a roll right? Video please, thanks, cuz longboarder destroyed the single in that video, and drew destroyed longboarder.

Videos will be up later today. A customer's single turbo 335 ran faster trap speeds than all the other E9x supercharged m3s (Drew's and Longboarder's included). We have video of the rematch with Longboarder. This time running full boost and me driving. As well as a race against a that red 1000hp E46 M3 that we went up against in the semi-finals. Should be uploaded to youtube later this afternoon.

Cheers
shiv

[acdHQK713K]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Videos will be up later today. A customer's single turbo 335 ran faster trap speeds than all the other E9x supercharged m3s (Drew's and Longboarder's included). We have video of the rematch with Longboarder. This time running full boost and me driving. As well as a race against a that red 1000hp E46 M3 that we went up against in the semi-finals. Should be uploaded to youtube later this afternoon.

Cheers
shiv

Highest trap speed seems pretty irrelevant when drivers are choosing different starting speeds, let alone giving it the beans well before the cones.

[Dave W.]

Originally Posted by Stangorang

Highest trap speed seems pretty irrelevant when drivers are choosing different starting speeds, let alone giving it the beans well before the cones.

Doesn't really matter at this event. If the car starts earlier it just gets more wheel spin. That's the whole reason this even is popular, most of the cars out there have zero chance of hooking up in first or second gear anyway. If you saw the silver RX7 with the turbo LSx swap you'd see that there's plenty of room to sort out the weak from the strong.

[acdHQK713K]

Originally Posted by Dave W.

Doesn't really matter at this event. If the car starts earlier it just gets more wheel spin. That's the whole reason this even is popular, most of the cars out there have zero chance of hooking up in first or second gear anyway. If you saw the silver RX7 with the turbo LSx swap you'd see that there's plenty of room to sort out the weak from the strong.

Completely disagree. If you get into well before the cones you have an advantage over anyone hitting the cones at 40-50 mph. You really think by gunning it before the cones you will not be passing them at >50 mph?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Stangorang

Highest trap speed seems pretty irrelevant when drivers are choosing different starting speeds, let alone giving it the beans well before the cones.

Whether you choose your rolling start at 20mph or 55mph, your trap speed at the 1/2 mark will be essentially the same with any given car. It's counterintuitive but true. This is because the faster you go, the less time you have to accelerate over any given distance. At 160mph, you are already traveling well over 200' per second.

If you do the math yourself, you'll look at things a little bit differently. A lot of us were surprised at the consistency of our traps regardless of standing, slow rolling or faster rolling start. The higher HP cars typically chose a faster rolling start (50-55mph) simply because it was impossible to put down power without wheelspin at lower speeds. In CaptainInsano's car, I went even a step further (even with 275mm wide MT drag radials) and started the run in 3rd gear. Definitely not in the ideal part of the powerband but at least I provided traction and cut out an unnecessary shift which is really important when driving a 6mt and going against supercharged M3s with DCT and 8500rpm to play with!

Shiv

[SLV335I]

Originally Posted by Stangorang

Completely disagree. If you get into well before the cones you have an advantage over anyone hitting the cones at 40-50 mph. You really think by gunning it before the cones you will not be passing them at >50 mph?

It could go both ways. I guess we will have to watch the videos and hear from both drivers.

[Dave W.]

Originally Posted by Stangorang

Completely disagree. If you get into well before the cones you have an advantage over anyone hitting the cones at 40-50 mph. You really think by gunning it before the cones you will not be passing them at >50 mph?

Think about it this way. The advantage to nailing the throttle 20 feet before the cones is the same as the amount of speed you gain from staying on the throttle for an extra 20 feet at the far end of the track. How much extra speed is gained in the last 20 feet of the track when the car is already doing 160+ mph? Very little!

[Sick335]

Originally Posted by Stangorang

Completely disagree. If you get into well before the cones you have an advantage over anyone hitting the cones at 40-50 mph. You really think by gunning it before the cones you will not be passing them at >50 mph?

In theory what you are saying makes sense, and i thought the same way, until i actually went and did both. I only saw a 0.4 mph difference between my all the way back full big start, and a 45 mph roll... I was dumb founded, but i guess you cant argue physics

[Sick335]

I love it how angry trolls that never mod their cars and never make it out to these events are always mad, request videos, put down vendors, and say one car is faster than the other... Just stfu already!

[acdHQK713K]

Originally Posted by Sick335

In theory what you are saying makes sense, and i thought the same way, until i actually went and did both. I only saw a 0.4 mph difference between my all the way back full big start, and a 45 mph roll... I was dumb founded, but i guess you cant argue physics

I see both sides. I would love to see vbox data on this. It would be very easy to show the actual MPH differences over the same distance.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Stangorang

I see both sides. I would love to see vbox data on this. It would be very easy to show the actual MPH differences over the same distance.

There is only one side in this case. And that is the side of mathematics/physics

[Dave W.]

Originally Posted by weeensunn

so.... where are the videos....

this thread has a few nice vids;
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826618

and page 5 has more vids
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=825159&page=5

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by weeensunn

so.... where are the videos....

Here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=827931

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=827931

Very good redemption footage shiv! Congrats. Now quit the back and forth with Vargas. You have proved your product. Let them prove theirs.

[Sick335]

Originally Posted by Stangorang

I see both sides. I would love to see vbox data on this. It would be very easy to show the actual MPH differences over the same distance.

Is multiple members stating the same thing, found thru testing, not enough? If not, get a Vbox, go out there and do some runs.