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      12-08-2007, 12:11 PM   #133
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There are videos of my car and jons car when he was on jb2r. We were both on the same octane same tranny, I have a couple more mods tho.

There's also same day same octane / dyno. I made about 50 rwhp more than him, so I would think in order to take another 335i by 3-4 cls with the same tranny in the same gear would need at least that much.

Jons car should whoop me now. I'm on stock boost. Another forum member was having trouble with their procede and harness so I gave him mine till shiv sends him a new unit and harness.

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Its OK. We understand you are upset. If you want to sell your PROcede for an Attache too I'd say do it. By the way, it's a mustang Dyno, EXPECT significantly lower numbers. The guy is telling you the comparison dyno of the procede and attache was done on the same car, same day, same dyno. The attache had 20whp over the procede v1.47. Whats hard to believe here? Remember how badly walkedu took jonmartin when walkedu had v2.0 and jon had v1.47. Not to mention this is a video, so the percieved distance of how badly the procede got beat is somewhat distorted. You sound like a f***ing 10 year old. Move on and stfu Point here is the procede was outperformed by a considerable margin. Also, the procede car has a passenger... attache has 20 whp HP and one less passenger over the procede car and that is exactly how bad he will get beat. had there been no passenger the helix car would have still won by a significant margin, but certainly not as bad.
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There are videos of my car and jons car when he was on jb2r. We were both on the same octane same tranny, I have a couple more mods tho.

There's also same day same octane / dyno. I made about 50 rwhp more than him, so I would think in order to take another 335i by 3-4 cls with the same tranny in the same gear would need at least that much.
To be fair Jon also raced another 2.02 6spd car and beat him, so it really comes down to the car & driver IMHO. Just like any race. Also I think the auto is worth at least 1 car in a 40-120 race.

More importantly, tell us about these new mods!!!
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      12-08-2007, 12:39 PM   #135
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To be fair Jon also raced another 2.02 6spd car and beat him, so it really comes down to the car & driver IMHO. Just like any race. Also I think the auto is worth at least 1 car in a 40-120 race.

More importantly, tell us about these new mods!!!
Driver also, but I was making a point that in order to walk a car that much there is going I be a big hp gap between the two.


I cant release anything yet until a final product line gets released. Haha dont want to make empty promises.

Plus there are all in r&d stages still.
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To be fair Jon also raced another 2.02 6spd car and beat him, so it really comes down to the car & driver IMHO. Just like any race. Also I think the auto is worth at least 1 car in a 40-120 race.

More importantly, tell us about these new mods!!!
...was the 2.02 on pump gas and john on race gas and what mods did the "other 2.02 car" have compared to john?
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IMO, videos like this should not even be posted, because they are no accurate at all, is a driver race .
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IMO, videos like this should not even be posted, because they are no accurate at all, is a driver race .
Drives: e92 335i 6M - SP - SG - Pv1.47


I'll be in FL Jan. 6th to 13th. Than we can see how inaccurate it is k?
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Is the Attache available ? or will Dinan fuck it over as the new winner
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Drives: e92 335i 6M - SP - SG - Pv1.47


I'll be in FL Jan. 6th to 13th. Than we can see how inaccurate it is k?
go get em tiger give ant a call about the track tommorrow, if there is no rain or snow it should be open
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Me too. I am sure the Helix is the best thing since sliced bread and is super cheap, but unless someone is going to back up the videos with dyno charts showing some serious power increases over the well-published PROcede 1.47 dynos, I'm going to have to call the video

The reason is that there's no "magic bullet" here guys. There's nothing significantly different about any of the high-end tunes (except for direct boost control on PROcede V2). So none of them really have an advantage (except gearing between the MT an AT) over the other that would explain how bad the camera car got walked. Which is why this is

The only way that those videos are legit is if the Helix was making at least 40-60whpwhtq more than the camera car (or the camera car was stock). You can't walk a competitor like that without considerably more power - I mean, it wasn't even close.

So, unless this is all BS, stop screwing around and just take the car to a dyno and let's see the numbers!! It's the best way to back up the video and only costs you $60 (at the most).
+1 Did the Procede have DSC on or something? M5's don't pull on the 1.47 like that
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+1 that is a 100+ hp difference to pull that hard all things being equal - no way even if it makes the 20hp they claim more that it would be more than a nose different.
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that was like a 911 tt vs. stock 335
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go get em tiger give ant a call about the track tommorrow, if there is no rain or snow it should be open
Ill call you guys in the morning. It should be like 45 degrees tomorrow.

I just did some runs with the M coupe vs the 335i. My M's Best was a 113 Trap @ 12.6. The 335i walked the M about 2-3 cars. I took videos from both 335 and M coupe. But I wont even bother posting them.
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What do you have on your Z4M Coupe to have it trapping 113?
How much in mods?

Gotta say, a 113 trapping Z4M would be pretty damn sweet.
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What do you have on your Z4M Coupe to have it trapping 113?
How much in mods?

Gotta say, a 113 trapping Z4M would be pretty damn sweet.
Last year stock the car ran 12.9 @ 107-108 All day long. The car is roughly 200 Lbs lighter than an E46 M3 and is a bit better aerodynamic. My friend runs a 13.1 All day long with his stock 6 speed E46 M3.

I have 50,000 Miles on the car, H&R Springs, Lightweight Battery, Under Drive Pulleys, and weight reduction a little over 100 Lbs. I had less than 1/4 tank in the car and on Falken Azenas.

This car is fast and pulls on stock 335's and E46's M3's like all hell. I also pull on 997 Carrera S's and I have seen drag times from 12.7 to 12.8 on those cars.
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Ill call you guys in the morning. It should be like 45 degrees tomorrow.

I just did some runs with the M coupe vs the 335i. My M's Best was a 113 Trap @ 12.6. The 335i walked the M about 2-3 cars. I took videos from both 335 and M coupe. But I wont even bother posting them.
look forward to seein some timeslips, thanks bro!
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Last year stock the car ran 12.9 @ 107-108 All day long. The car is roughly 200 Lbs lighter than an E46 M3 and is a bit better aerodynamic. My friend runs a 13.1 All day long with his stock 6 speed E46 M3.

I have 50,000 Miles on the car, H&R Springs, Lightweight Battery, Under Drive Pulleys, and weight reduction a little over 100 Lbs. I had less than 1/4 tank in the car and on Falken Azenas.

This car is fast and pulls on stock 335's and E46's M3's like all hell. I also pull on 997 Carrera S's and I have seen drag times from 12.7 to 12.8 on those cars.
Wow, that's impressive.
So you from 108 traps to 113 traps simply by adding UD pulleys, a lightweight battery, and a few other weight loss mods?
Does the 100 lbs weight reduction include the battery?
What did you do to lose 100 lbs (wheels/tires and what else)?
SMG or 6MT?
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Wow, that's impressive.
So you from 108 traps to 113 traps simply by adding UD pulleys, a lightweight battery, and a few other weight loss mods?
Does the 100 lbs weight reduction include the battery?
What did you do to lose 100 lbs (wheels/tires and what else)?
SMG or 6MT?
that includes the battery. I dropped 32 Lbs just with the battery reduction. Than i stripped out all the plastic and paneling from the rear of the car. I weight a box a 2lbs and I stuck all the stuff in it and it was 74 lbs - 2 lbs for the box so all the stuff was 72 lbs.

Keep in mind I have 50K miles this car seems like it gets faster every 10K miles that go by. But this makes perfect sense. When I had the procede 1.47 in my 335i my M would pull on it. And some of the drag times I have seen for a 1.47 car were from 12.8-13.0 and around 109's 110's so If my M traps 113's and pulls on a 1.47 335i and a Attache pulls on my M well the gap between the Attache and 1.47 is legit to me. I do not really care what people say online or w/e But we were there, we ran the cars, that was the result and all I'm doing is sharing my result. It just shows what level some of these members on here are on. Like I have posted previously a few months back. The results between my M and the 335i with procede. People called it BS and what not. But honestly I dont care, because if you have a problem and you have something to prove please feel free to PM me and we can set something up.
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Man that is sweet.
Yeah, at 50K miles I'd say your Z4M is at it's peak running condition.

Whenever Car and Driver does those long term tests of cars, 95% of the time their acceleration times on the cars with 40k miles on it are better (sometimes significantly better) than they were when the car was "new".

The Helix Attache seems to be a strong runner.
I'd love for some other people to step up to your challenge and run their PROcede v2 cars and Xede, and JB2R cars against your Helix.
It would be fun to see those results too.
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Attache should be dynoing at 400+ whp for that to happen. Can't wait to see those dynos
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Ill call you guys in the morning. It should be like 45 degrees tomorrow.

I just did some runs with the M coupe vs the 335i. My M's Best was a 113 Trap @ 12.6. The 335i walked the M about 2-3 cars. I took videos from both 335 and M coupe. But I wont even bother posting them.
I am just looking for an excuse to run the SRT. Buzz me in the morning.
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I am just looking for an excuse to run the SRT. Buzz me in the morning.
bring a big ass torch and heat the strip!!!

Im bringing my girl So ill have both M and 335 with me.
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bring a big ass torch and heat the strip!!!

Im bringing my girl So ill have both M and 335 with me.
Please post the timeslips on the Mcoupe once you make a few passes at the dragstrip. I'm very interested in this 113 trapspeed.
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