[Black Gold]

Your last comment about BMW using the system for timing control IMO is dead wrong.

They tune to avoid knock, and in good ambient conditions the car does not tag the knock sensors. Only does this in high stress environments.

In addiion tr fact that the is is tuned with timig table maxes 3 degrees lower than the stock lower boost car indicates that similar to everyone else who tunes fi cars, they dropped ignition maxes to compensate for added boost, thus limiting, if not always eliminating timing drops caused by the knock sensor detection system.

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Your last comment about BMW using the system for timing control IMO is dead wrong.

They tune to avoid knock, and in good ambient conditions the car does not tag the knock sensors. Only does this in high stress environments.

In addiion tr fact that the is is tuned with timig table maxes 3 degrees lower than the stock lower boost car indicates that similar to everyone else who tunes fi cars, they dropped ignition maxes to compensate for added boost, thus limiting, if not always eliminating timing drops caused by the knock sensor detection system.

Well we all know that JB hits the appropriate timing curve........ eventually........they just do it from the top down (knock knock).

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by beemw

he said this:
To "directly control" timing you would need to fire the coil pack directly and I challenge you to find me an N54 product that does that. Piggbacks simply influence timing. We influence timing negative using the DME's adaptive long term trims. BMW left that mechanism there and while we use it more publicly than others rest assured every product out there including flash tunes are riding the knock sensors most of the time.

This is typical. He wants to play semantics with the terminology, when he knows damn good and well we are talking about CP offset, or changing the load/ignition tables to control the "firing of the coil pack."

I nailed it right on when I said Terry's ego and pride just can't handle dealing with reality. Mike is right on the same train as Terry as his defender of JB here.

Pathetic how they will purposefully misled people, use terminology to confuse and avoid reality and fundamental FI tuning practices all of his competitors know and implement effectively.

He also outright lies saying they ride the knock sensor...that we know is false also. The logs show otherwise.

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by Litos

well, it hasn't happened in 3 years - will you be waiting ANOTHER 3 years for this awesome celebration !?!?

Getting Terry to admit that he is doing it all wrong? Yes, we will be waiting, I agree.


Next, as I posted also previously, a fool and his money are soon parted. There are enough people out there who don't care and only want the cheapest solution to make "big power". So he relies on that fact that most people are either too lazy, or not competent to understand basic FI tuning principles and that his approach is the opposite what all other tuners/solutions for the N54 do.

Well, JB is only $400!!!! Look at those gains! The other guys are $600-800??? No way..JB for me! BMW engineering has saved the day with it's knock sensor and DME abilities for sure.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by beemw

Bro u have no idea over on bimmerb**st, they actaully told me this: The jb is better, thats a fact.
Lool how is that in any way shape or form a fact, and now Terry is avoiding my questions and all the jb fanboys are confused because I posted his old post about the Terry Tuner

Let someone that knows what they are talking about speak to him.

[Clap135]

Well, it looks like a bunch of jb4 autotuning guys are all experiencing 11-12psi after "autotuning" does its thing. Pretty low boost in cool weather esp for the guys running full bolt ons

[Dmacc]

I still can't believe that timing is still considered an opinion. And if it is considered an opinion, it's whether or not you want your engine to fail sooner than supposed to?

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by Dmacc

I still can't believe that timing is still considered an opinion. And if it is considered an opinion, it's whether or not you want your engine to fail sooner than supposed to?

I think it basically comes down to they go about it differently.. Thats what we are all gonna have to agree to disagree on.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by 1LUMI335

I think it basically comes down to they go about it differently..n.

:facepalm:

it blows my mind that you can read this entire thread and believe this.

Mind = blown

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by beemw

Great now you have 24 posts!!
Anyways I do understand your point, however BB will never give the procede any credit all they do is bash it. Atleast this forum has both procede and jb users(+flash users)

Just to be far, some will say that e90post is a more bash the JB and hype the PROcede type forum.

It was BB that really gave and made a big thread about the issue PROcede's have been having lately with misfiring issues.
They pushed and helped customers get a fix from shiv on the first misfire and again now, and Shiv has confirmed he is working on a fix now again in Canada.

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

:facepalm:

it blows my mind that you can read this entire thread and believe this.

Mind = blown

I dont believe anything...I make my own decisions with my own knowledge, which i cant say for many in this thread and thats why i have been very inactive in this thread.

All i am saying is that everyone should just agree to disagree and leave it as that. Both tunes do there own thing and go about things differently.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by 1LUMI335

Just to be far, some will say that e90post is a more bash the JB and hype the PROcede type forum.

It was BB that really gave and made a big thread about the issue PROcede's have been having lately with misfiring issues.
They pushed and helped customers get a fix from shiv on the first misfire and again now, and Shiv has confirmed he is working on a fix now again in Canada.

You're an ignorant one, aren't you? Do a search for "Procede misfire" on e90post. There are plenty of us who made a lot of noise about the issue here, and continue to do so. Sticky gives himself too much credit thinking his 25 regular users actually make a difference

[themyst]

Originally Posted by 1LUMI335

I dont believe anything...I make my own decisions with my own knowledge, which i cant say for many in this thread and thats why i have been very inactive in this thread.

All i am saying is that everyone should just agree to disagree and leave it as that. Both tunes do there own thing and go about things differently.

Based on this comment, you should continue to stay inactive in this thread.

[tewlz]

Alright then. Almost 1600 posts and still no clarity for those who are not into tuning neck deep yet enjoy a little extra umph every now and again (most on this forum).

So I'd like to see something condensed down to:

Tune A does ____ and _____ that is DIFFERENT than Tune B, which does ____ and ____ this way. Explain the difference, without taking things out of context or No bashing, no name calling - facts and facts only, thanks.
It's been brought up that the JB3/4 "rides the knock sensor" but I didn't see a clear explanation on how the Procede deals with timing? I might have missed it, in which case I apologize, it's a lot to sift through.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by tewlz

Alright then. Almost 1600 posts and still no clarity for those who are not into tuning neck deep yet enjoy a little extra umph every now and again (most on this forum).

So I'd like to see something condensed down to:

Tune A does ____ and _____ that is DIFFERENT than Tune B, which does ____ and ____ this way. Explain the difference, without taking things out of context or No bashing, no name calling - facts and facts only, thanks.
It's been brought up that the JB3/4 "rides the knock sensor" but I didn't see a clear explanation on how the Procede deals with timing? I might have missed it, in which case I apologize, it's a lot to sift through.

That would make a good thread. Compile it all in one post. Of course it would have to be unbiased.

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by themyst

Trust me, we're ALL waiting for Cobb OTS Stage 2 + ATR to come out. We're all going to jump ship unless we find a reason otherwise.

I can honestly say 99% we wont find another reason. Everyone is gonna be tuning on ATR.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by themyst

Trust me, we're ALL waiting for Cobb OTS Stage 2 ATR to come out. We're all going to jump ship unless we find a reason otherwise.

I have a feeling cobb will be taking over shortly.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

I have a feeling cobb will be taking over shortly.

So you got a Cobb AP now? Cool!

Do you see now why you got flamed when you first started posting the "JB3 is the best" posts?

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

So you got a Cobb AP now? Cool!

Do you see now why you got flamed when you first started posting the "JB3 is the best" posts?

We all start somewhere.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

We all start somewhere.

So true. If only we knew back then what we know now

[e92bmw]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

We all start somewhere.

Thank you for admitting it
Cobb is a great tune, you made a good choice

[Forcefed3]

And no, I haven't purchased it yet. I have been talking with the guys at cobb, they have told me that they don't suggest stage 1 for an fbo car. I am only an hour away from them so I will be heading over right when stage 2 comes out and doing some dynos!