[mithiral67]

Originally Posted by Clap135

stock car as in no tune? If so, the no you are not maxing out timing.

Stock car, cobb 93 tune.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

Stock car, cobb 93 tune.

you're good

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

Chirp chirp... I hear crickets b/c Mike's MO is to ignore posts that he can't refute.

I was hoping for a response to that post to, one of the best ones in this thread IMO.

Originally Posted by ZTUNER

too all the all the jb timing theory guys. Take a cattle prod, set it to half voltage and poke a cow 5 times at 10 sec intervals. Then bump it up to max and do the same 5 times at 10 sec intervals. Which set of prods does more damage ?

Same goes for bumping off the knock limit. If you do it at stock boost it hurts less, hurts more if you do it at 2x boost.

This is about as simple as this theory can be made. Yes its true even if its a invincible bavarian cow.

Harry

[N54_Fan]

I would just like to say that I have learned a tremendous amount just in reading the dialogue here on this topic and thanks to all that have contributed.

I also would like to point out something rather obvious...that is that no less than 6 rather experienced tuners here think that having a tune adjust timing is a critical thing and the 1 guy that does NOT think its a big deal (because the BMW DME is so good) is NOT an experienced tuner but an experienced and well respected salesman.

This is kind of like asking 6 heart physician which is the best medicine for your heart and all 6 agreeing but the lone Drug Representative (non-physician) trying to push his new and improved drug as just as good when he has little to no experience on the subject compared to the others. I know whose opinion I would choose to believe.

Just my 0.02.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by N54_Fan

I would just like to say that I have learned a tremendous amount just in reading the dialogue here on this topic and thanks to all that have contributed.

I also would like to point out something rather obvious...that is that no less than 6 rather experienced tuners here think that having a tune adjust timing is a critical thing and the 1 guy that does NOT think its a big deal (because the BMW DME is so good) is NOT an experienced tuner but an experienced and well respected salesman.

This is kind of like asking 6 heart physician which is the best medicine for your heart and all 6 agreeing but the lone Drug Representative (non-physician) trying to push his new and improved drug as just as good when he has little to no experience on the subject compared to the others. I know whose opinion I would choose to believe.

Just my 0.02.

I wouldnt classify Mike as someone who has no experience tuning.

[N54_Fan]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

I wouldnt classify Mike as someone who has no experience tuning.

OK,..I may have been a bit harsh but there seems to be a clear difference in the level of knowledge and decision making on the topic at hand.

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

I wouldnt classify Mike as someone who has no experience tuning.

Would love to hear Mike talk about the platforms he has personally designed tunes for. He has stated in the past that he is no tuning expert and that he started his business as a way for Canadian's to not have to pay the high cost of importing products from the United States.

I've assumed that all of the technical tuning information from Mike is just a proxy for Terry. Mike has stated that he understands tuning principles and can read the logs.

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Also keep in mind I am not claiming to be a tuning expert. I can read logs and understand the principles, and I want to engage in this discussion

from:http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285520

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I started my company...to be able to provide you guys with an alternative to paying high customs/brokarage charges, unnecessary taxes and avoiding higher shipping costs associated with importing from the US.

From: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194271

Mike - If you have a tuning resume please share. I completely understand that Mike needs to be a relay since Terry is not allowed to post, but it becomes a little interesting when someone like you (gbreeE90) believes Mike is a tuner or has tuning experience because you don't have the full history yet.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by scottp999

Mike - If you have a tuning resume please share. I completely understand that Mike needs to be a relay since Terry is not allowed to post, but it becomes a little interesting when someone like you (gbreeE90) believes Mike is a tuner or has tuning experience because you don't have the full history yet.

Show me where I ever said Mike is a tuner, I don't see where you are getting that from. I never stated that he created anything, I just simply said that he has a little more knowledge than people give him credit for. Although I do believe a lot is relay from Terry. By saying "I wouldnt classify Mike as someone who has no experience tuning" I meant that he has obviously been around the N54 long enough to understand what is going on.

[Jake@MOTIV]

Gbree - if the things Mike say come from Terry neither of them have tuning knowledge as the things they are saying go against every tuning FACT and actual laws of physics.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

Gbree - if the things Mike say come from Terry neither of them have tuning knowledge as the things they are saying go against every tuning FACT and actual laws of physics.

I never said the things that he and Terry are doing are good or bad either.

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

I wouldnt classify Mike as someone who has no experience tuning.

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Show me where I ever said Mike is a tuner, I don't see where you are getting that from.

Sorry if I misunderstood your post, but when I read your initial sentence, it is at least implicit, if not explicit that you are saying that mike has some tuning experience (more than none). I appreciate your clarification:

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

I just simply said that he has a little more knowledge than people give him credit for... I meant that he has obviously been around the N54 long enough to understand what is going on.

[e92bmw]

Well its not really Mikes fault, he learned everything from Terry.....

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by scottp999

Sorry if I misunderstood your post, but when I read your initial sentence, it is at least implicit, if not explicit that you are saying that mike has some tuning experience (more than none). I appreciate your clarification:

Thats okay, and yes my first post wasnt very clear.

[techlogik]

Come on, you know that is really Terry posting using Mike's account right? Since Terry got banned a long time ago..he just assumes his identity on the forum...which makes the comments even more scary.

[Clap135]

morpheus requested this gets bumped to the top

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Clap135

morpheus requested this gets bumped to the top

somebody pass the vaseline....

[shifterboy45]

I think that this thread could become a sticky for newbies --

knowing the basics will help people in the long run define which tune is best for their needs -- or if they want to tune at all.

having pics and diagrams of the engine are helpful, but in the long run the best knowledge is gleaned from good open debate --

modern interal combustion engine technology is not that complex, its when you intend to extract more power, that the guessing has to stop, and good practices have to start.
this is not to be looked at like -- "dude, you have to earn your dues", because that the way it used to be... you made a mistake, or miscalculation it cost you big time. I believe that if you have the knowledge, share it, make better modders and probably get a few more guys into tuning. not everyone will tune their cars -- but they sure should know this information exists.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by shifterboy45

I think that this thread could become a sticky for newbies --

knowing the basics will help people in the long run define which tune is best for their needs -- or if they want to tune at all.

having pics and diagrams of the engine are helpful, but in the long run the best knowledge is gleaned from good open debate --

modern interal combustion engine technology is not that complex, its when you intend to extract more power, that the guessing has to stop, and good practices have to start.
this is not to be looked at like -- "dude, you have to earn your dues", because that the way it used to be... you made a mistake, or miscalculation it cost you big time. I believe that if you have the knowledge, share it, make better modders and probably get a few more guys into tuning. not everyone will tune their cars -- but they sure should know this information exists.

+1 for the sticky.

[joyride]

it would make a good sticky if they clean it up a bit. Half the stuff in the rest of the post is way off topic.

[Dmacc]

Originally Posted by joyride

it would make a good sticky if they clean it up a bit. Half the stuff in the rest of the post is way off topic.

Honestly, take out my comment and all the other random off topic ones, then this is worth the sticky.

[roninsoldier83]

Originally Posted by shifterboy45

I think that this thread could become a sticky for newbies --

knowing the basics will help people in the long run define which tune is best for their needs -- or if they want to tune at all.

having pics and diagrams of the engine are helpful, but in the long run the best knowledge is gleaned from good open debate --

modern interal combustion engine technology is not that complex, its when you intend to extract more power, that the guessing has to stop, and good practices have to start.
this is not to be looked at like -- "dude, you have to earn your dues", because that the way it used to be... you made a mistake, or miscalculation it cost you big time. I believe that if you have the knowledge, share it, make better modders and probably get a few more guys into tuning. not everyone will tune their cars -- but they sure should know this information exists.

Actually, the day after I created this thread, it was a sticky for about 5 minutes or so. It was taken down quickly (only saw it in the sticky section once), likely based on the controversy it created. I should have taken a screen shot haha.

[shifterboy45]

i think that the idea of excluding the random banter is a good idea -- let the thread stand on its merits and remove all the personal biased stuff..

im sure there is way to enrich the community without sacrificing decorum..

I really believe this is essential, and makes a strong contribution to the whole..

mods please consider