[shoei]

Originally Posted by 540iSUP

Its hard to bring up the ring argument because of Bill Russel. You can put it this way, Lebron went to 9 finals and Jordan only went to 6. The problem with these stats and numbers is that you can cherry pick which stats fit the narrative.

I like to listen to actual NBA players make these comparisons and they will all say Jordan and Kobe are better than Lebron.

You could also look at it as -

Jordan - 6-0 in the finals.

Lebron - 4-6 in the finals.

They're all generational talent. No team would turn down adding prime Jordan, Kobe or Lebron.

[540iSUP]

Originally Posted by shoei

Jordan did say that the only NBA player that could take him one and one would be Kobe.

"Because the kid stole all my moves!" - MJ.

That's about a high of an accolade as one could ever receive. Lebron is a generational talent. His court vision, his size, speed and strength are definitely incredible. He's also a good GM lol. But somethings missing.

Jordan and Kobe have story after story after story of just sheer dominance and determination and grit. I love all the Kobe stories and Jordan stories that people share. My god, I wouldn't even know where to begin and there's so many good one.

One of my personal favorite Kobe stories is Iman Shumpert. The day he realized just how good Kobe was. He tells the story better than I ever could so I'm going to just go ahead and post the short clip.

Edit - also the DeMar Rosen story where Vince Carter told him "man, you can't wear his (Kobe's) shoes when you're guarding him!!" And how young DeMar fucked up by switching to Jordan's the next time he played Kobe and how Kobe took that, lol.

I remember all those stories! TBH, Kobe's death really hit me hard and still gets me to this day. It has a lot to do with being raised a Lakers fan and living in Socal for most of my life. Everyday I live by the Mamba Mentality. One of my favs was when Matt Barnes was trying to inbound the ball. I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. That was fierce!

Curious, who do you think will be the next great? I'm really loving Jamal Murry, Donovan Mitchell, and Jayson Tatum right now.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by 540iSUP

I remember all those stories! TBH, Kobe's death really hit me hard and still gets me to this day. It has a lot to do with being raised a Lakers fan and living in Socal for most of my life. Everyday I live by the Mamba Mentality. One of my favs was when Matt Barnes was trying to inbound the ball. I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. That was fierce!

Curious, who do you think will be the next great? I'm really loving Jamal Murry, Donovan Mitchell, and Jayson Tatum right now.

I'm currently in LA and have been lucky to enjoy many Laker games at Staples and getting to watch Kobe and Lebron up close and personal.

I think you nailed three that have stupendous talent and the skies the limit. I wonder what the Jazz could've done had Murray not gone down with a season ending injury. Jokic is amazing as well but needs his running mate.

Booker has been wild to watch for being that young as well. Like the NFL and the influx of incredible young players ready to take over the league, the NBA has been equally blessed. Me personally? These are my current favorite players to watch, and in no particular order. The ones where they could be the next Kobe / Lebron / KD / Curry. (I'm only listing the youngins with only a few years in the league)

- Luka
- Donovan Mitchell
- Ja Morant (so wish my Knicks would've snagged him, he's an incredible athlete imo)
- Mitchell
- Booker
- Trae Young (he's embraced the villain role and delivers in spades)
- Anthony Edwards
- Tatum

Ones that are great but I'm not 100% sold on yet. Meaning, I don't know they can take over a game like the guys above or more important the superstars we have already discussed.

Zion
RJ Barrett
Jokic (he could be on the list above possibly)
LaMelo (I'm just not a huge fan of the Ball family, starting with Senior having seen him up close and obviously because of Lonzo)

My opinion of course but enjoy watching them play immensely.

PS - absolutely remember Matt Barnes and Kobe not even batting an eyelash lol. 100% not how that played out in Barnes head before he attempted that lol.

[Agall1985]

With someone who has many years under his career, it is not a surprise that King James has amassed both an array of fans and haters. One of LeBron’s biggest critics, Skip Bayless, took to Twitter to express his lack of surprise for the results stating, “A national poll finds that the most hated player in the NBA is … LeBron James. No surprise here. Can’t wait to discuss on tomorrow’s Undisputed. I’m told Shannon is out of his mind over this.”

[F30lolz]

Best thing for the Lakers is to trade the walking hospital (AD), WestBrick and LeBronics.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Uh huh. Yes, I can think of so many teams with 1 All Star who have won a championship. Why do you think Giannis keeps getting smoked in the playoffs? He doesn't have a solid #2. Middleton is the third best option on a championship team..........and that's if he could play in the playoffs like he does in the regular season.

That didn't age well Definitely admire Giannis more than Lebron for not taking the easy route to get a ring.

[pikkagtr]

3 hours ago (edited)
I’m going to invent a player. This player, by the end of his career is going to have:

2 NBA Championships
2 Finals MVPs
1 NBA MVP
9 Scoring Titles
1 NBA DPOY
3 All Defensive 1st Teams

Is this one of the best players of all time? Definitely a Hall of Famer if you had this resume. That’s the difference between Lebron and Jordan. Everyone says it’s close but it’s not. It’s a whole Hall of Fame career better.
-Kevin Wildes

[shoei]

Originally Posted by tranquility

That didn't age well Definitely admire Giannis more than Lebron for not taking the easy route to get a ring.

But two totally different mindsets. Lebron's goal from early on was to become a billion dollar player. Giannis's goal was to provide and take care of his entire family. He doesn't have aspirations of being a billionaire. Super grounded and down to earth that one. One grew up in poverty, literally panhandling on the streets of a foreign country while the other graced the cover of SI at age 13.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by shoei

But two totally different mindsets. Lebron's goal from early on was to become a billion dollar player. Giannis's goal was to provide and take care of his entire family. He doesn't have aspirations of being a billionaire. Super grounded and down to earth that one. One grew up in poverty, literally panhandling on the streets of a foreign country while the other graced the cover of SI at age 13.

That makes him even more admirable, as taking the easy route to get more rings and hence be more successful/richer seems the obvious way to achieve that. Not sure the pt of your post.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by tranquility

That makes him even more admirable, as taking the easy route to get more rings and hence be more successful/richer seems the obvious way to achieve that. Not sure the pt of your post.

Point of it was yeah Giannis is a better person but it's a stupid comparison from the other guys point. Not you Mr Sensitive.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by shoei

Point of it was yeah Giannis is a better person but it's a stupid comparison from the other guys point. Not you Mr Sensitive.

How am I sensitive when I'm just perplexed by what you're saying? Doesn't really make sense. All I'm saying is that his statement turned out to be wrong since Giannis just won a ring. You're the one talking about personalities for some strange reason and it doesn't even make sense because I'm sure they BOTH wanna win (heck, all the players want to get a 'ship, that's the whole pt!). I don't get the pt about $$$ either, they are all multi-millionaires, I'm sure Giannis can take care of his family many times over. No kidding Giannis seems to be a better person, but again that's not really the pt.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by tranquility

How am I sensitive when I'm just perplexed by what you're saying? Doesn't really make sense. All I'm saying is that his statement turned out to be wrong since Giannis just won a ring. You're the one talking about personalities for some strange reason and it doesn't even make sense because I'm sure they BOTH wanna win (heck, all the players want to get a 'ship, that's the whole pt!). I don't get the pt about $$$ either, they are all multi-millionaires, I'm sure Giannis can take care of his family many times over. No kidding Giannis seems to be a better person, but again that's not really the pt.

I think the original comparison was asinine. Again, not you the other guy. He chose to compare Lebron with someone who doesn't have the same goals or desires or wants. He also picked one of the most wholesome dudes in the league. His impromptu videos at drive thrus and random fans on the street are very down to earth and pure. If I had kids I'd be happy if they looked at Giannis as a role model. But he's suggesting Giannis is weaker and his team and blah blah blah. Well, Giannis doesn't cry about moving to a better team nor does Giannis play GM.

Lebron only seems to care about championships for his legacy - Giannis just seems to enjoy being paid a shit ton of money to play a game. It's why him and Jokic are so likable.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by shoei

I think the original comparison was asinine. Again, not you the other guy. He chose to compare Lebron with someone who doesn't have the same goals or desires or wants. He also picked one of the most wholesome dudes in the league. His impromptu videos at drive thrus and random fans on the street are very down to earth and pure. If I had kids I'd be happy if they looked at Giannis as a role model. But he's suggesting Giannis is weaker and his team and blah blah blah. Well, Giannis doesn't cry about moving to a better team nor does Giannis play GM.

Lebron only seems to care about championships for his legacy - Giannis just seems to enjoy being paid a shit ton of money to play a game. It's why him and Jokic are so likable.

Cool, I agree w that, maybe next time just quote him directly and leave me outta it.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Cool, I agree w that, maybe next time just quote him directly and leave me outta it.

I think it's cuz I'm on mobile so it just must've scrolled that's my bad.

But no, I agree with you in the LBJ < Giannis debate. I know who I'd want to build a team around.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by shoei

I think it's cuz I'm on mobile so it just must've scrolled that's my bad.

But no, I agree with you in the LBJ < Giannis debate. I know who I'd want to build a team around.

Ya, hate using my phone too, it doesn't have all the options. It's all good.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by tranquility

That didn't age well Definitely admire Giannis more than Lebron for not taking the easy route to get a ring.

Right? Jrue Holiday had nothing to do with it. An elite perimeter defender who can give you 20 pts a night.

Did you really go back two years to dig up that post to ignore the changes to the team? Great job! Keep it up!

[eliphil]

I cant stand Lebron and especially his politics. The guy is naïve and uninformed. On the court his longevity is extraordinary. Putting up these numbers at 37 is a testament to how hard he works to take care of his body and mind. I would rather have Jordan in his prime but Lebron is pretty close the way he took Cleveland to a championship w a weak team. The NBA was far better in Jordan's error, less teams and more talent.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Right? Jrue Holiday had nothing to do with it. An elite perimeter defender who can give you 20 pts a night.

Did you really go back two years to dig up that post to ignore the changes to the team? Great job! Keep it up!

Jrue who? Ya, superstar right there! What a killer tandem, I think the pundits will have to rethink the rankings for most deadly tandems in bball, Jordan/Pippen...Kobe/Shaq? Pffffftt Haha, why don't you just take it and move on?

No, I actually don't have any interest in this thread but someone revived it and I was bored so I randomly clicked a page and your post popped up, so you can say it was fate.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

Best thing for the Lakers is to trade the walking hospital (AD), WestBrick and LeBronics.

Please I want my Lakers back. I grew up going to Laker games, family always had season tickets. I despise Lebron. I saw all of Kobe's championships, Staples was never more alive. The three-peat with Shaq/Kobe was the pinnacle.

[M3WC]

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by shoei

I think the original comparison was asinine. Again, not you the other guy. He chose to compare Lebron with someone who doesn't have the same goals or desires or wants. He also picked one of the most wholesome dudes in the league. His impromptu videos at drive thrus and random fans on the street are very down to earth and pure. If I had kids I'd be happy if they looked at Giannis as a role model. But he's suggesting Giannis is weaker and his team and blah blah blah. Well, Giannis doesn't cry about moving to a better team nor does Giannis play GM.

Lebron only seems to care about championships for his legacy - Giannis just seems to enjoy being paid a shit ton of money to play a game. It's why him and Jokic are so likable.

Quite honestly....LeBron has done very little to improve his legacy since like 2016. The Lakers have basically sucked the last 2 years.....and seeing how they have played the last 2 years, I can safely say their championship in the bubble meant nothing. It's a fake asterisk title they wouldn't have won if the season had gone normally. Throw everything that happened in the bubble out.

Jordan did tons of winning and pretty much nothing else. Remember, he could have many more titles had he not played baseball and if they hadn't broken the Bulls up. LeBron is an amazing player.....but he has lost a lot with stacked teams. Not only that, I look at him in a lesser light because he brings all these guys in who basically suck....Westbrook sucks. I don't know how else to say it. AD is shown he isn't the player most thought he was. Quite honestly, I think he has gotten too comfortable out in LA...which is fine....but meh, he will never be GREAT.

Giannis is amazing....an amazing person and player. I would not be shocked if he has as many titles as LeBron when he is done playing. Assuming on the Bucks get on the same page defensively...I don't see anyone beating them this year and it's really not even close.

[Jhanksm3]

Lebron is the GOAT, i'm sorry to say and I love MJ. I grew up watching MJ, idolize his game (born 83). I can go on and on why just like I could make a case for jordan, or older people than me can do it for Kareem. All this ish is subjective. But to say he is a trash player is straight b.s.