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      10-16-2008, 12:30 PM   #155
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what max psi are you seeing w/ the 90% user TQ? What map are you running?

I have not put mine past 85%, with a stage 1 non doomsday map i'm seeing 14.2-14.4 max boost in 2nd gear....I have not had a chance to ring out 3rd, freaking traffic around here keeps getting worse! That car that you let get way ahead gets really close really fast when you run out 3rd gear .
i'm one of those without a boost gauge (i know, i know) and haven't data logged yet. i know i'm taking my chances, but we are in the same general area (i.e. ~sea level), the temps were cool last night, and was anxious. you know the drill.

going by your numbers, and a 5% change equating to ~0.5 psi per Shiv (i think that's right), i'm going to say i was 14.7-14.9, but i'll have to get some hard data to be sure.

traffic around here is terrible, at least you have Rt. 70 to open it up

edit: i'm running stage 1 non-doomsday w/ afe intake

edit2: oh, and i had the boost limit set to 16, and did not go into valet at any point, just fyi.
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      10-16-2008, 12:39 PM   #156
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I'm at 80% and already saw 15.0psi in 2nd. I don't think I need to adjust it.
per the logging software or gauge? 15psi spike at shift or sustained?
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I'm at 80% and already saw 15.0psi in 2nd. I don't think I need to adjust it.
do you have an upgraded IC?
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I'm at 80% and already saw 15.0psi in 2nd. I don't think I need to adjust it.
If it's from the peak and hold feature, that is understandable. Digital gauges capture peaks that may only last for a very small fraction of a second. A peak you wouldn't even see on a needle gauge. A peak that is, for all intensive purposes, not long enough to even worry about.

The boost gauge we are testing is able to realtime display a datalog-like boost curve (boost vs. time) which will give the user a much better idea of boost stability/spike behavior than trying to read a digital readout while driving.

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More feedback.

v3.1 Beta working great on my 535i. Put 50 miles on last night @ 66 F, sea level, 93 Octane, without issue.

Very nice to compare the difference between 0% User Torque and 90% User Torque with a click of the button.

Map was non-doomsday Stage 1.

Settings in the attached pic.

Just another data point for you. Thanks Shiv.

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Do you get any wheel spin when launching from 1st gear? If so, try reducing the value (try ~70-80%) in 1st gear TQ; you'll have very little wheel/tire spin for more traction and a better launch.
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Do you get any wheel spin when launching from 1st gear? If so, try reducing the value (try ~70-80%) in !st Gear TQ; you have very little wheel/tire spin for more traction and a better launch.
little to none so far (heavy 535i + 6AT + me ) hooks up well at this point. also, sport package has 275/35 rears vs. 255/35s on the 3's.

haven't brake torque launched from a dead stop, though. something to try going forward!
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If it's from the peak and hold feature, that is understandable. Digital gauges capture peaks that may only last for a very small fraction of a second. A peak you wouldn't even see on a needle gauge. A peak that is, for all intensive purposes, not long enough to even worry about.

The boost gauge we are testing is able to realtime display a datalog-like boost curve (boost vs. time) which will give the user a much better idea of boost stability/spike behavior than trying to read a digital readout while driving.

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does this mean you will be releasing a boost gauge soon?
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little to none so far (heavy 535i + 6AT + me ) hooks up well at this point. also, sport package has 275/35 rears vs. 255/35s on the 3's.

haven't brake torque launched from a dead stop, though. something to try going forward!
Many ppl are running 265/30/19 or 275/30/19 non-RFT tires in the rear on their 335i's, and still getting some wheel spin from all the immediate and explosive TQ that the PROcede v3.1 provides. But, nonetheless, I can see that a heavier 535i may not get too much wheel spin. Enjoy!
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Many ppl are running 265/30/19 or 275/30/19 non-RFT tires in the rear on their 335i's, and still getting some wheel spin from all the immediate and explosive TQ that the PROcede v3.1 provides. But, nonetheless, I can see that a heavier 535i may not get too much wheel spin. Enjoy!
Another factor which I just considered is the ~5 inch longer wheelbase/~10 inch longer overall length between the 5 and the 3.

Looking at some drag forums, I found the following:

The longer wheel base keeps the front down and in theory adds to the traction of the vehicle because it must push down harder to get the front tires up.

So, thinking of the rear tire as a fixed point trying to tilt up a longer arm (5 inches longer, 5-series vs. 3-series) with more weight on that arm is also a contributing factor here.
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I think its imperative that you hook up the map switcher to the Procede, or you will have the maps switch on you randomly sometimes, it happened to me and others...But to answer your question, without the map switcher it defaults to map 2...
The relay for the remote is plugged in, I'm just not using the remote to switch between maps. Sorry, should have been more clear.

With that said, it will still default to map 2 on start-up?

I just don't see the point in switching between different maps when I'm the only driver. I think I just love the power too much to switch back to stock, or less power/torque, IMHO.

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Many ppl are running 265/30/19 or 275/30/19 non-RFT tires in the rear on their 335i's, and still getting some wheel spin from all the immediate and explosive TQ that the PROcede v3.1 provides. But, nonetheless, I can see that a heavier 535i may not get too much wheel spin. Enjoy!

oh I get PLENTY of wheelspin in my 6MT.....I can roll in 2nd gear at 40mph, floor it and spin em (275s). 1st gear doesnt have a prayer! I may try the traction nanny setup soon, but I like just using my right foot a little more cautiously.
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oh I get PLENTY of wheelspin in my 6MT.....I can roll in 2nd gear at 40mph, floor it and spin em (275s). 1st gear doesnt have a prayer! I may try the traction nanny setup soon, but I like just using my right foot a little more cautiously.
Is that on nondoomsday and what else do u have on ur car ?
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The relay for the remote is plugged in, I'm just not using the remote to switch between maps. Sorry, should have been more clear.

With that said, it will still default to map 2 on start-up?

I just don't see the point in switching between different maps when I'm the only driver. I think I just love the power too much to switch back to stock, or less power/torque, IMHO.

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cstmx_ryder, you can choose which map it will default to on start-up.

re-read the first post.

in short: whichever map you choose for the "Off" button map (map 1 or map 2) in the picture below, it will default to on start up.

the default set up, if you have made no changes to the user adjustable parameters, is for it to start up in map 1, so if you want it to start in map 2, you're going to have to make that change.
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oh I get PLENTY of wheelspin in my 6MT.....I can roll in 2nd gear at 40mph, floor it and spin em (275s). 1st gear doesnt have a prayer! I may try the traction nanny setup soon, but I like just using my right foot a little more cautiously.
6AT is definitely different, but you may want to try reducing the TQ in 1st and 2nd gear to see if you can get better traction without sacrificing speed and ET; it's a great feature in v3.1 and I applaud Shiv for doing it.
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6AT is definitely different, but you may want to try reducing the TQ in 1st and 2nd gear to see if you can get better traction without sacrificing speed and ET; it's a great feature in v3.1 and I applaud Shiv for doing it.

my above post was referring to driving on the street. At the track I "frequent" the lanes are normally so well prepped that traction isnt as much of a problem in 2nd. 1st can still get out of control real fast. I'll try dialing down 1st a bit next month when I go.

On the street......i'm going to dial it back real hard.
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my above post was referring to driving on the street. At the track I "frequent" the lanes are normally so well prepped that traction isnt as much of a problem in 2nd. 1st can still get out of control real fast. I'll try dialing down 1st a bit next month when I go.

On the street......i'm going to dial it back real hard.
Yeah, on the 6AT, we don't get any chirping or spinning in 2nd; it's only 1st gear that can be challenging. But, 1st gear TQ dialed down to 80% seems an excellent compromise!
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Yeah, on the 6AT, we don't get any chirping or spinning in 2nd; it's only 1st gear that can be challenging. But, 1st gear TQ dialed down to 80% seems an excellent compromise!
I'll tweak some settings and post up some results tomorrow, weather permitting.
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Shiv, i must say. you have out done yourself and have raised the bar for the N54 tunning hugely!!!!! after readling a couple pages of this thread, it is just so awesome to see the features the v3.1 has. Congrats on the new v3.1 and its success i cant wait to see what users come up with as there maps hahah
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Shiv, i must say. you have out done yourself and have raised the bar for the N54 tunning hugely!!!!! after readling a couple pages of this thread, it is just so awesome to see the features the v3.1 has. Congrats on the new v3.1 and its success i cant wait to see what users come up with as there maps hahah
Thanks man. I think people are going to have fun with the new adjustable parameters. We'll keep on adding more as time goes by as well. Big news coming in about 1-2 weeks

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Thanks man. I think people are going to have fun with the new adjustable parameters. We'll keep on adding more as time goes by as well. Big news coming in about 1-2 weeks

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so you finally developed your own Big turbo for the 335
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