[Humdizzle]

Every car company has had engine issues and recalls.

Difference is porsche mans up and fixes things. they replaced all the engines on the .1 GT3s and put a 10 year warranty on them.

GM, from what i can remember, still has class action lawsuits regarding the C7 Z06 cooling problems and overheating on track, and with the base cars bending wheels over potholes. maybe i'm wrong and someone can correct me on that since these articles are old ?

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2020...ective-wheels/

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...cooling-issues

[EnVe46]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Every car company has had engine issues and recalls.

Difference is porsche mans up and fixes things. they replaced all the engines on the .1 GT3s and put a 10 year warranty on them.

GM, from what i can remember, still has class action lawsuits regarding the C7 Z06 cooling problems and overheating on track, and with the base cars bending wheels over potholes. maybe i'm wrong and someone can correct me on that since these articles are old ?

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2020...ective-wheels/

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...cooling-issues

Whats the point here? (Not to sound aggressive or condescending)

BMW engines have had rod-bearing issues for years. The 4.4TT has shit valve seals, 335/535 HPFP issues, etc etc etc and BMW has done shit. Porsche's first GT4 had the front strut tower issues cracking and some cases being outright destroyed, they did nothing. Porsche had no choice as their GT3 crowd is a MUCH smaller bunch of people and is their "flagship" performance car. The Corvette is a 1/3 of that price at its highest point, previously. Not sure why a manufacturer should be held responsible if their street car overheats on a racetrack, despite me thinking why build a car of such capabilities ON the track if it can't maintain it.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Every car company has had engine issues and recalls.

Difference is porsche mans up and fixes things. they replaced all the engines on the .1 GT3s and put a 10 year warranty on them.

Porsche never addressed strut tower failures, along multiple generations of GT3 and GT4. You are out of luck if this happens out of warranty.

Prime examples of that superior engineering. Name the Porsche.

[dgoldenz]

As someone who’s e92 M3 engine blew twice in 60k miles from rod bearings, I find it laughable for people to dog GM about engine reliability. You have a warranty for a reason. This car shouldn’t even really need to be modded, but people will anyway.

[flsupraguy]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

As someone who’s e92 M3 engine blew twice in 60k miles from rod bearings, I find it laughable for people to dog GM about engine reliability. You have a warranty for a reason. This car shouldn’t even really need to be modded, but people will anyway.

This and comical on a BMW forum to try and say Porsche has bad build quality.

If you go to a racetrack around the country on any given weekend there is a reason why more than half the cars are typically 911's or Caymans......

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Every car company has had engine issues and recalls.

Difference is porsche mans up and fixes things. they replaced all the engines on the .1 GT3s and put a 10 year warranty on them.

GM, from what i can remember, still has class action lawsuits regarding the C7 Z06 cooling problems and overheating on track, and with the base cars bending wheels over potholes. maybe i'm wrong and someone can correct me on that since these articles are old ?

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2020...ective-wheels/

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...cooling-issues

I disagree. Porsche does NOT man up. I have had 4 911's since 2017 when I left BMW M. I spent over 560K with them in 4 years.

2017 911 S = flawless.
2019 911 GTS = flawless
2020 911 S = PDK failure within 2K miles. Buy back ONLY because there was no other PDK to swap into it at that time.
2020 911 S = PDK paddles didn't work driving it off the lot, park button flashed while moving, constant clicking noises. My issues were WELL documented on Rennlist.

Porsche did NOTHING for me on my 2nd buy back. They knew my 2nd one left the lot not shifting. They knew my parking light was flashing when driving. They knew my 2nd one left the lot making as clicking noise. They said the clicking noise I heard was a characteristic of the car. Yet my 1st 992 911 S didn't click. They knew all of this the second I left the lot with my 2nd one because I was still dealing with them on my 1st 992 911 S buy back. 4 separate dealers all agreed what I experienced was not normal or ok. Yet Porsche turned their back on THEM and ME. I will never buy another one again.

The dealer bought back my 2nd one only because of the market. They are just going to resell it and and let the new guy deal with warranty. Otherwise I would be stuck in my 2nd POS 2020 992 911 S. Porsche does NOT stand behind their product.

Porsche quality on the 992 SUCKS. And they know it and dont care.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by flsupraguy

This and comical on a BMW forum to try and say Porsche has bad build quality.

If you go to a racetrack around the country on any given weekend there is a reason why more than half the cars are typically 911's or Caymans......

You boasted how you have owned most every car out there. Yet you sure dont speak like you have any real Porsche experience.

What's popular on the track has nothing to do with overall daily driver quality. Furthermore, all track stars are well aware that they must PAY TO PLAY. Most of them are older cars out of warranty. Not all. But most. And even those who are tracking newer models. They all know if something breaks, chances are they will be on the line for the repair. Porsche is the best drivers car period to me. But they have tons of quality issues they DO NOT stand behind.

[See5]

Receipts have been pulled. Yikes. Looks like no manufacturer is infallible. Who would've guessed.

[flsupraguy]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

What's popular on the track has nothing to do with overall daily driver quality. Furthermore, all track stars are well aware that they must PAY TO PLAY. Most of them are older cars out of warranty. Not all. But most. And even those who are tracking newer models. They all know if something breaks, chances are they will be on the line for the repair. Porsche is the best drivers car period to me. But they have tons of quality issues they DO NOT stand behind.

You boasted how you have owned most every car out there. Yet you sure dont speak like you have any real Porsche experience.

LOL "They all know if something breaks, chances are they will be on the line for the repair." Porsche is one of the few brands that stands behind their cars on track. Btw, I have a 997 gt3 with a sharkweks 4.1 stroker that I track. I also have a 991.2 gt3 that I track. Daily was a supercharged e90 m3 that I just sold. No issues with the manual transmission here. You don't speak like someone who actually tracks their car
Toddles

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by flsupraguy

LOL "They all know if something breaks, chances are they will be on the line for the repair." Porsche is one of the few brands that stands behind their cars on track. Btw, I have a 997 gt3 with a sharkweks 4.1 stroker that I track. I also have a 991.2 gt3 that I track. Daily was a supercharged e90 m3 that I just sold. No issues with the manual transmission here. You don't speak like someone who actually tracks their car
Toddles

As someone who has had 2 out of 4 bad since 2017, I completely disagree with you. Do you have any actual engine or transmission warranty experience with Porsche? Or are you more interested in boasting on what you have or want us to believe that you have?

PS: what year is your 991.2 GT3?

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by flsupraguy

If you go to a racetrack around the country on any given weekend there is a reason why more than half the cars are typically 911's or Caymans......

Isn't that Mazda that makes that claim.."More Mazda's are road-raced than any other car brand on any given weekend."

[flsupraguy]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

As someone who has had 2 out of 4 bad since 2017, I completely disagree with you. Do you have any actual engine or transmission warranty experience with Porsche? Or are you more interested in boasting on what you have or want us to believe that you have?

PS: what year is your 991.2 GT3?

I cant win with you Littleworm. If I don't post a pic you say I'm posing, if I post a pic I'm "bragging". Never an issue on or off track. 2007 manual, 2018 manual. I could post all my other cars but you couldn't handle it.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by flsupraguy

I cant win with you Littleworm. If I don't post a pic you say I'm posing, if I post a pic I'm "bragging". Never an issue on or off track. 2007 manual, 2018 manual. I could post all my other cars but you couldn't handle it.

Im not in a pissing match with you. But you are right. I have actual engine and transmission warranty experience with Porsche and you clearly do not. So in that respect you cant win because you have zero crediablity or experience.

And please keep your little boy flexes to yourself. It screams I have a small P_ _ _S. Moving on because you have nothing to offer here. And we all see that.

[flsupraguy]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Im not in a pissing match with you. But you are right. I have actual engine and transmission warranty experience with Porsche and you clearly do not. So in that respect you cant win because you have zero crediablity or experience.

And please keep your little boy flexes to yourself. It screams I have a small P_ _ _S. Moving on because you have nothing to offer here. And we all see that.

So I can't comment because I beat the crap of my 2018 gt3 and didn't have any issues? You cry because Porsche bought back your car? You certainly seem like someone who likes to play the victim.

You shouldn't be mad at others that have a lot more than you, hard work does eventually pay off toodles

[BIGW0RM]

GM should remove that visualizer. Those 8bit graphics look horrible. Why would they do that?

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by EnVe46

Whats the point here? (Not to sound aggressive or condescending)

BMW engines have had rod-bearing issues for years. The 4.4TT has shit valve seals, 335/535 HPFP issues, etc etc etc and BMW has done shit. Porsche's first GT4 had the front strut tower issues cracking and some cases being outright destroyed, they did nothing. Porsche had no choice as their GT3 crowd is a MUCH smaller bunch of people and is their "flagship" performance car. The Corvette is a 1/3 of that price at its highest point, previously. Not sure why a manufacturer should be held responsible if their street car overheats on a racetrack, despite me thinking why build a car of such capabilities ON the track if it can't maintain it.

hmm didn't know about the strut tower thing. quite a big issue now that i look into it. BMW i'm aware of their issues and doing nothing about it. kind of to be expected.

GT3 is a much smaller crowd yes, and a flagship car for them. But GM is a huge company by comparison and the vette is their halo car. I feel like if the cooling issue happened to the GT3 porsche would have immediately addressed it.

and i'm not trying to slam GM here... its a great car. But people shouldn't be expecting ferrari levels of build quality. Nor should a ferrari F8 owner expect Pagani/Bugatti levels of quality and materials.

[car_fan]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Porsche never addressed strut tower failures, along multiple generations of GT3 and GT4. You are out of luck if this happens out of warranty.

Prime examples of that superior engineering. Name the Porsche.

Wow 😮 that’s crazy. What is causing these catastrophic failures- tracking, deep pot holes? WTH 🤬

[EnVe46]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

hmm didn't know about the strut tower thing. quite a big issue now that i look into it. BMW i'm aware of their issues and doing nothing about it. kind of to be expected.

GT3 is a much smaller crowd yes, and a flagship car for them. But GM is a huge company by comparison and the vette is their halo car. I feel like if the cooling issue happened to the GT3 porsche would have immediately addressed it.

and i'm not trying to slam GM here... its a great car. But people shouldn't be expecting ferrari levels of build quality. Nor should a ferrari F8 owner expect Pagani/Bugatti levels of quality and materials.

I'd have to agree and I don't think anyone is expecting it to compete in build quality with Germans or Italians. But I'd be willing to bet, behind the wheel, it'll be pretty damn close and you're definitely getting way more than for the money. It's clear, GM is leasing the way in America when it comes to development and competing against the Europeans when it comes to track performance oriented vehicles, and that from a mopar fan. You just can't take away with what they've done with the Z06, ZR1, Camaro 1LE and all the other several acronyms, even the Cadillac Vs. They're obviously getting real close to offering a package that while won't be an exact comparison, certainly offers a strong value proposition for consumers.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Chevrolet C8 Corvette Z06 Visualizer

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thanks for getting the thread back 'on track' !

it will be interesting to see what 'over msrp' these things go for next year ? Will the first car be a charitable auction @ Barrett Jackson ?

[Mintsopoulos]

That power unit is going to make some sweet eargasmic sounds.

[5.M0NSTER]

Holding out for the Manual version in 2026 or so (if it comes). That would make this car perfect. But no manual is a deal breaker for me. What is a point of a high revving, NA motor if you can't rip through the gears and heal-and-toe?

For now my SS 1LE is the perfect car for me. But I'd be willing to trade on a C8Z with a stick shift.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

Holding out for the Manual version in 2026 or so (if it comes). That would make this car perfect. But no manual is a deal breaker for me. What is a point of a high revving, NA motor if you can't rip through the gears and heal-and-toe?

For now my SS 1LE is the perfect car for me. But I'd be willing to trade on a C8Z with a stick shift.

i'm with you there. no manual in a sports car is a deal breaker for me too.

i strongly doubt they make a C8Z with a manual, they'd have to re-do the entire dash layout.