iPod (OEM MOST ipod interface) Report after 1 day

bsjd00 · 07-06-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleSE

The ipod has two analog outputs: headphone and line out which is only available through the docking connector. I'm assuming the headphone output goes through the EQ as it passes through the ipod's internal amplifier whereas the line out does not. One of the problems with the Aux In solution is that you are feeding an amplified signal into another amplifier. Since all amplifiers distort the source to some extent, you are then amplifying that distortion.

If the new MOST adapter uses line out on the ipod, I guess I don't care if the EQ gets bypassed.

Cheers.

FYI, the iPod normally does apply the EQ to the signal coming from both the headphone jack and the dock connector (line out). I've confirmed this personally using just a 3.5mm cable for the headphone port and the Monster kit and 3.5 mm cable for the dock connector.

Therefore, BMW would have to take additional steps to deliberately disable the EQ.

gr8sho · 07-06-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bsjd00

FYI, the iPod normally does apply the EQ to the signal coming from both the headphone jack and the dock connector (line out). I've confirmed this personally using just a 3.5mm cable for the headphone port and the Monster kit and 3.5 mm cable for the dock connector.

Therefore, BMW would have to take additional steps to deliberately disable the EQ.

I don't think that's possible, but I'm sure the directions will clearly state the need to disable the EQ on the iPod. The Pioneer unit I bought for my son's SHO did state this.

SeattleSE · 07-06-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gr8sho

I don't think that's possible, but I'm sure the directions will clearly state the need to disable the EQ on the iPod. The Pioneer unit I bought for my son's SHO did state this.

Did it say WHY? It is much more convenient to set the EQ on the ipod IMHO. If you're using the line out via the dock connector and have the car's EQ set flat (or perhaps a little boost to compensate for road noise), why would the Pioneer gizmo care how the ipod EQ is set?

gdnyc · 07-06-2006, 01:15 PM

I recently bought an ipod and have been using the AUX for it. I bought a $3 headphone cable and a $20 Monster cable charger that I could plug in the headphone jack from the ipod to the AUX. I am able to use the Ipod's EQ as well as set the EQ and seperate bass and treble settings on the Logic 7. It sounds great to me and even better than the mp3's I was playing in the cd slot.
It does suck not being able to switch songs from the steering wheel, but why would somebody go out and spend $500 (est) installed when you will probably have comparable sound quality by spending $23?

bsjd00 · 07-06-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gr8sho

I don't think that's possible, but I'm sure the directions will clearly state the need to disable the EQ on the iPod. The Pioneer unit I bought for my son's SHO did state this.

It might be possible since BMW (and Dension/Icelink) are somehow able to access at least some of the iPod's settings. Example: both BMW and Icelink put their logos on the iPod's display when their respective adapters are connected.

bsjd00 · 07-06-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gdnyc

I recently bought an ipod and have been using the AUX for it. I bought a $3 headphone cable and a $20 Monster cable charger that I could plug in the headphone jack from the ipod to the AUX. I am able to use the Ipod's EQ as well as set the EQ and seperate bass and treble settings on the Logic 7. It sounds great to me and even better than the mp3's I was playing in the cd slot.
It does suck not being able to switch songs from the steering wheel, but why would somebody go out and spend $500 (est) installed when you will probably have comparable sound quality by spending $23?

If you're the type of person who doesn't change tracks frequently, then its not worth the estimated $500. But if you like to change tracks when driving, search for new songs, etc. I guarantee you the adapter will be worthwhile.

You stated that you recently bought an iPod. If you change tracks frequently, wait until the first time you almost hit a car braking quickly in front of you because you were looking down at the iPod.

obLu · 07-06-2006, 02:18 PM

It's July ... any update on availability, pricing or correct part #?

gr8sho · 07-06-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bsjd00

It might be possible since BMW (and Dension/Icelink) are somehow able to access at least some of the iPod's settings. Example: both BMW and Icelink put their logos on the iPod's display when their respective adapters are connected.

The Pioneer does as well. However, I don't think I would want someone mucking with my settings...

gr8sho · 07-06-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleSE

Did it say WHY? It is much more convenient to set the EQ on the ipod IMHO. If you're using the line out via the dock connector and have the car's EQ set flat (or perhaps a little boost to compensate for road noise), why would the Pioneer gizmo care how the ipod EQ is set?

In fact it doesn't. But, if you run the iPod with non-flat settings, those will propagate to the car and when you add the car's settings on top of the iPod's you are going to overly distort the signal quality. That's why it's better to let the car's EQ settings shape the sound frequencies. In the end you can do whatever you like, but you might not be happy with the sound you get.

longhorn35 · 07-06-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gdnyc

I recently bought an ipod and have been using the AUX for it. I bought a $3 headphone cable and a $20 Monster cable charger that I could plug in the headphone jack from the ipod to the AUX. I am able to use the Ipod's EQ as well as set the EQ and seperate bass and treble settings on the Logic 7. It sounds great to me and even better than the mp3's I was playing in the cd slot.
It does suck not being able to switch songs from the steering wheel, but why would somebody go out and spend $500 (est) installed when you will probably have comparable sound quality by spending $23?

Where do you get the 500 for the amount of OEM product and install? I just looked at IpodyourBMW and it said the product is $149 and should take about 1/2 an hour to install...

bsjd00 · 07-06-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by longhorn35

Where do you get the 500 for the amount of OEM product and install? I just looked at IpodyourBMW and it said the product is $149 and should take about 1/2 an hour to install...

You are not looking at the new adapter. Pricing for the e90 adapter has not been released.

LEDZEP · 07-08-2006, 07:12 AM

Jonathan - any update on when we should see these available? Pricing?

bavarian19 · 07-08-2006, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

Jonathan - any update on when we should see these available? Pricing?

Golfguyjax · 07-08-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gdnyc

... why would somebody go out and spend $500 (est) installed when you will probably have comparable sound quality by spending $23?

A lot of people might also ask why spend $40K + on a BMW when you can buy a Ford Focus for less than half that? I think most of us on this board know the answer to that one... If you're going to do it, you may as well do it right :rocks:

LEDZEP · 07-09-2006, 09:05 AM

I agree Golfguyjax - to some extent. But if the installed iPod integration will cost $500 I will really have to think long and hard. My current setup allows me to have some control over the iPod with air click, and although I would like the integration, it comes down to cost/benefit.

Personally, at least for the future, I think this should be a factory option at low cost - like less than $150. I'll be curious to see what the installed costs are when the unit is available.

Speaking of available - is it? When?

JSpira · 07-09-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

Speaking of available - is it? When?

Should be at dealerships at month's end

Golfguyjax · 07-09-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

I agree Golfguyjax - to some extent. But if the installed iPod integration will cost $500 I will really have to think long and hard. My current setup allows me to have some control over the iPod with air click, and although I would like the integration, it comes down to cost/benefit.

Personally, at least for the future, I think this should be a factory option at low cost - like less than $150. I'll be curious to see what the installed costs are when the unit is available.

Speaking of available - is it? When?

I definetly agree that it should be at least a factory option, if not a standard feature, but for now it is what it is. As far as the $500 goes (if that number is even going to be accurate when it is released) it wasn't too long ago that people didn't even blink at spending that amount on a good CD changer. Having a truly integrated ipod setup is like having a CD changer that holds every CD you own. Bottom line is that everyone will put a different value on this thing depending on how much they would use the ipod in the car. If I only listened to the same 10 songs all the time, I would probably not make the investment, but I personally love the idea of easily sifting through several thousand songs from my i-drive control knob, so for me it will be worth the cost.

JSpira · 07-09-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfguyjax

I definetly agree that it should be at least a factory option, if not a standard feature, but for now it is what it is. .

I would guess it will become something you can get from the factory, just as Bluetooth moved from aftermarket accessory/retrofit to factory.

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Originally Posted by Golfguyjax

As far as the $500 goes (if that number is even going to be accurate when it is released) it wasn't too long ago that people didn't even blink at spending that amount on a good CD changer. .

I don't know about you, but I haven't purchased a car with a CD changer since 1999. All of my cars after that had an MP3 player that was attached to the CD port of the car and communicated through the car's controls.

LEDZEP · 07-10-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Golfguyjax

I definetly agree that it should be at least a factory option, if not a standard feature, but for now it is what it is. As far as the $500 goes (if that number is even going to be accurate when it is released) it wasn't too long ago that people didn't even blink at spending that amount on a good CD changer. Having a truly integrated ipod setup is like having a CD changer that holds every CD you own. Bottom line is that everyone will put a different value on this thing depending on how much they would use the ipod in the car. If I only listened to the same 10 songs all the time, I would probably not make the investment, but I personally love the idea of easily sifting through several thousand songs from my i-drive control knob, so for me it will be worth the cost.

That's a good perspective actually. The iPod is certainly much better than a CD changer.

Silver bullet · 07-10-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfguyjax

I definetly agree that it should be at least a factory option, if not a standard feature, but for now it is what it is. As far as the $500 goes (if that number is even going to be accurate when it is released) it wasn't too long ago that people didn't even blink at spending that amount on a good CD changer. Having a truly integrated ipod setup is like having a CD changer that holds every CD you own. Bottom line is that everyone will put a different value on this thing depending on how much they would use the ipod in the car. If I only listened to the same 10 songs all the time, I would probably not make the investment, but I personally love the idea of easily sifting through several thousand songs from my i-drive control knob, so for me it will be worth the cost.

Those ar my thoughts exactly. I have a changer in my Z3, in the trunk of course. I't a pain and oly holds 6 CDs

DrPowers · 07-12-2006, 11:37 PM

What about the Gateway 500??? has anyone tried that out yet. www.dension.com looks as if it is out already.

anolin · 07-13-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPowers

What about the Gateway 500??? has anyone tried that out yet. www.dension.com looks as if it is out already.

at the dension site, you can find that their FM transmitter solution is the only thing compatible with the factory 2006 E90 head unit right now:

dension.com > Support > Compatibility > OEM > BMW > sort by Year

...back to the waiting game.

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