Forced Performance / AMS Performance bolt on N54 turbo project revealed....

ar design · 06-30-2009, 05:11 PM

Not exactly a cakewalk. We've spent more than a few hours working on a design we are happy with, and that actually fits.

Tortfeasor 335xi · 06-30-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DR_E92

+1

whats up with messing with the stock turbos? do it right the first time and go with some brand new snails. you never see an sti bothering with the stock turbo

That's because the Subaru engine bay has so much room for a larger snail. So do Evos. The 335 engine bay on the other hand is fairly cramped and not well designed for swapping to a giant turbo. Also, Subarus and Evos have easily upgradeable fuel systems. If you need to feed a turbo the size of a dinner plate, all you need is a Walboro fuel pump, some larger injectors and a flash tune to manage it. AFAIK no one makes aftermarket fuel pumps or injectors for the 335 yet, so useful modifications are likely limited to what the stock fuel system can handle. This in turn will limit the total amount of airflow the engine will be able to handle.

Basically anyone looking to swap on a GT30/35 turbo better figure out how to fuel it and put it under the stock hood first, otherwise its a DOA project.

NM_BMW · 06-30-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ar design

Not exactly a cakewalk. We've spent more than a few hours working on a design we are happy with, and that actually fits.

Any hint on what turbo your looking at?

If the mani is anything like the TT mani you showed me, I'm sure it will be impressive.

Eric@AMS · 06-30-2009, 06:26 PM

What I think most don't understand is that a turbo kit for the 335i would not be nearly as cheap as say for an EVO. With the space constraints and fuel constraints I bet a Quality kit would come in over 7K.

This is why we want to see what the bolt on guys can do. For instance if we can get bolt on turbos to make close to 600whp with some fuel upgrades that is great and maybe a single kit would not be necessary. We have to weigh all options. We would love to invest the money in a big single kit but if it comes in at 8k and nobody buys them it will be HUGE waste of our time and money.

Eric

Eric@AMS · 06-30-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by okix

I call bs on that one. Dont many of the subi guys run FPgreens and FPreds??

Thanks Tony! I have been emailing Rob at FP back and forth today

Eric

stealth-twntrbo · 06-30-2009, 07:34 PM

IF you can get bolt on twins to make 600 whp i think thats much better idea if it would be a lot cheaper, if you can solve the fuel issue thats the main concern, that car will never make 600 on stock fuel obviously lol but I hope there will be a fuel system upgrade made avaliable.

midlife · 06-30-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ar design

Not exactly a cakewalk. We've spent more than a few hours working on a design we are happy with, and that actually fits.

1/ EDIT: so it seems that either AMS or ARS made a CUSTOM manifold to fit the (soon coming) AMS larger bolt on turbos !!
...that sound absolutely delicious

2/ as for fueling - unless AMS somehow can boost more fuel delivery - which i guess will be very difficult and $$$, i am certain that most people will be willing to add methanol injection (if they do not already have it).
i also could guess that you can put in turbos that could work with our current fuel limitations BUT could also handle more fuel when the inevitable fueling upgrades come in the foreseeable future correct ??

3/my major concern is how are these babies gonna be tuned.
... problem is that 1/2 of us guys run proceede, and the other 1/2 run JB3.
i think you should be fair and offer either a flash option, OR at least have both terry and shiv work to tune your upgrade.

4/ are you still planning on your bolt on turbos (with maifold) being able to be compatible with all the damn modifications most of us already have like DPS, etc??

5/lastly, got a rough eta on when your upgrade is ready to be installed??
... it seems a (very) few turbo upgrades are going to come out quite soon, but some of us are soooo tired of waiting.

my 2 cents,
thanks

dlbrooks18 · 06-30-2009, 10:52 PM

Eric, can't wait to see what you guys come up with, I want 600whp!

Turkishexpress · 06-30-2009, 11:32 PM

The suspension set up, brakes, axles etc... would need a definite overhaul with 600whp. I'll be happy with 450 on pump and 500 on race gas.

ar design · 06-30-2009, 11:39 PM

Eric, I wasn't intending to barge into/take attention from your thread here - my apologies.

Looks like you have a nice setup in the works, excited to see what you guys come up with, always impressed with your products!

Eric@AMS · 07-01-2009, 11:58 AM

NO custom manifold is necessary. these are bolt on using the existing housing/manifold.

CP-E has a HPFP that we sent them. The are exploring ways to increase fuel pressure and volume. We will keep you posted.

Right now we have been tuning the car using the CP-E standback and its working great. We would not be opposed to Shiv or Terry creating their own map for these though.

These turbo's will bolt up to everything you currently have, that is what FP was shooting for and I have not heard anything to the contrary.

unfortunately I am waiting on FP. They are very busy so I am sure they want to get them out as fast as we do. As soon as we get testing done i will let you know asap!

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Originally Posted by midlife

1/ EDIT: so it seems that either AMS or ARS made a CUSTOM manifold to fit the (soon coming) AMS larger bolt on turbos !!
...that sound absolutely delicious

2/ as for fueling - unless AMS somehow can boost more fuel delivery - which i guess will be very difficult and $$$, i am certain that most people will be willing to add methanol injection (if they do not already have it).
i also could guess that you can put in turbos that could work with our current fuel limitations BUT could also handle more fuel when the inevitable fueling upgrades come in the foreseeable future correct ??

3/my major concern is how are these babies gonna be tuned.
... problem is that 1/2 of us guys run proceede, and the other 1/2 run JB3.
i think you should be fair and offer either a flash option, OR at least have both terry and shiv work to tune your upgrade.

4/ are you still planning on your bolt on turbos (with maifold) being able to be compatible with all the damn modifications most of us already have like DPS, etc??

5/lastly, got a rough eta on when your upgrade is ready to be installed??
... it seems a (very) few turbo upgrades are going to come out quite soon, but some of us are soooo tired of waiting.

my 2 cents,
thanks

GreenPlease · 07-01-2009, 02:05 PM

Anyone care to refresh my memory as to what the auto tranny can handle in terms of power?

Eric@AMS · 07-02-2009, 04:11 PM

we have no experience with it but have people damaged the auto tranny from power yet?

Eric

Eric@AMS · 07-02-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by okix

Just because they do not post about whats going on. Dont think that the project is dead.

Eric, I talked to FP. I believe their shipment is in.

I think you might of been misinformed or misunderstood. Just talked to FP and they have units ready to upgrade but they are still waiting on parts to arrive to actually build the turbo's

The second I know anything guys I will post here for you. We are eager to test on our car as well as we know its going to be a solid product. The guys at FP know their stuff.

Eric

WAYNEBO · 07-02-2009, 09:09 PM

Very interested in how this plays out! Thanks for the updates Eric. I'm subscribed to the AMS Facebook page too... are you posting update there?

If you need any test mules, keep me in mind. I've just past my 50K warranty so what the Hell!! wb

midlife · 07-30-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric@AMS

CP-E has a HPFP that we sent them. The are exploring ways to increase fuel pressure and volume. We will keep you posted.

.... any news? just this single product alone could be great for our n54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric@AMS

Right now we have been tuning the car using the CP-E standback and its working great. We would not be opposed to Shiv or Terry creating their own map for these though.

good luck with the cpe standback... get these new turbos out sooner will probably = more standback sales

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric@AMS

These turbo's will bolt up to everything you currently have, that is what FP was shooting for and I have not heard anything to the contrary.

great !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric@AMS

unfortunately I am waiting on FP. They are very busy so I am sure they want to get them out as fast as we do. As soon as we get testing done i will let you know asap!

anything new from FP ??

thanks

stealth-twntrbo · 07-30-2009, 11:17 PM

Turbo upgrades soon I hope!!!

GreenPlease · 07-30-2009, 11:20 PM

^+1

dlbrooks18 · 07-31-2009, 01:40 AM

bump

MrWhite1015 · 07-31-2009, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric@AMS

I think you might of been misinformed or misunderstood. Just talked to FP and they have units ready to upgrade but they are still waiting on parts to arrive to actually build the turbo's

The second I know anything guys I will post here for you. We are eager to test on our car as well as we know its going to be a solid product. The guys at FP know their stuff.

Eric

so glad i have an extra set of turbos sitting on my dresser

KWY91 · 07-31-2009, 09:19 AM

Can't wait for the aftermarket turbos! gogo AMS!

Eric@AMS · 07-31-2009, 10:25 AM

Sorry for the lack of updates...the reason for that is there really have not been any. We are patiently waiting for FP to get us some samples so we can toss these guys on and see what they are made of. There is a decent chance we are a mere couple weeks away now

Eric

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Eric@AMS Captain 73 Rep 726 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Chicago, IL iTrader: (5)	What I think most don't understand is that a turbo kit for the 335i would not be nearly as cheap as say for an EVO. With the space constraints and fuel constraints I bet a Quality kit would come in over 7K. This is why we want to see what the bolt on guys can do. For instance if we can get bolt on turbos to make close to 600whp with some fuel upgrades that is great and maybe a single kit would not be necessary. We have to weigh all options. We would love to invest the money in a big single kit but if it comes in at 8k and nobody buys them it will be HUGE waste of our time and money. Eric
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stealth-twntrbo Captain 143 Rep 717 Posts Drives: 2020 740xi Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NA iTrader: (3)	IF you can get bolt on twins to make 600 whp i think thats much better idea if it would be a lot cheaper, if you can solve the fuel issue thats the main concern, that car will never make 600 on stock fuel obviously lol but I hope there will be a fuel system upgrade made avaliable.
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ar design 302 Rep 4,408 Posts Drives: 04 M3 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Denver, CO iTrader: (9)	Eric, I wasn't intending to barge into/take attention from your thread here - my apologies. Looks like you have a nice setup in the works, excited to see what you guys come up with, always impressed with your products! __________________ -Critter
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WAYNEBO Captain 42 Rep 668 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: May 2007 Location: SoCal iTrader: (1) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	Very interested in how this plays out! Thanks for the updates Eric. I'm subscribed to the AMS Facebook page too... are you posting update there? If you need any test mules, keep me in mind. I've just past my 50K warranty so what the Hell!! wb __________________ 2007 335i 6MT Coupe, Monaco Blue, RPi Ram Air Scoops, Magnaflow cat-backs, H&R Sport springs, 19" Staggered Miro LM-Rs 2000 F250 V10 Superduty 4WD, K&N intake, Banks Monster exhaust, DR 8" lift w/ Welds on 37s
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Eric@AMS Captain 73 Rep 726 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Chicago, IL iTrader: (5)	Sorry for the lack of updates...the reason for that is there really have not been any. We are patiently waiting for FP to get us some samples so we can toss these guys on and see what they are made of. There is a decent chance we are a mere couple weeks away now Eric
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