-- Movies -- Vishnu V3.1 vs JB3

Terrance28 · 07-23-2009, 08:06 PM

If he takes out his high flow cats, if he strips the interior, if they race on the moon. Ok if Big Tom gets catless and Enrita gets rid of his secondary cats will it be even again. C'mon guys it was a great race leave it at that, what the hell is with all the ifs. If you want to show what your catless setup or what your right settings can do stfu and bring your car out and race them and show a video instead of stating ifs.

skate_E92 · 07-23-2009, 09:25 PM

awesome videos!!! this is like a soap opera haha i look forward to the next race>>>> be safe and keep havin fun!

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 07-23-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

As for the tune comparison, it's not entirely fair as the jb3 is 70% tune. The 30% it doesn't do (timing control) puts it at a distinct disadvantage in pump gas (knock limited) conditions.

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Not exactly true. Big Tom is running default ignition correction mapping (100%). To optimize his tune for max power (if he chooses to), he can reduce that value for more power without changing boost.

So, first Enrico lost because he didn't have CPS offset… Then in the rematch he won because he didn't have CPS offset? Are you following me camera guy? I'm going to do this real time

Mike

lawdude · 07-23-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

So, first Enrico lost because he didn't have CPS offset… Then in the rematch he won because he didn't have CPS offset? Are you following me camera guy? I'm going to do this real time

Mike

I thought I understood less about this stuff than anybody. Looks like I was wrong.

Big Tom · 07-24-2009, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

So, first Enrico lost because he didn't have CPS offset… Then in the rematch he won because he didn't have CPS offset?

Who won?
I thought we were pretty clear on this point that the result was completely even?

OpenFlash · 07-24-2009, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lawdude

I thought I understood less about this stuff than anybody. Looks like I was wrong.

R1000K3 · 07-24-2009, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Tom

Who won?
I thought we were pretty clear on this point that the result was completely even?

No completely, as it looked to me. Enrita won the start, marginally, but you soon got even. At the end you walked away from him by half a car lenght or so, or was that because Enita slowed down on purpose?

enrita · 07-24-2009, 04:00 AM

was a lot of traffic so we never got to 250 . was raining too a bit .. kinda scary when you put down so much power.

enrita · 07-24-2009, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Tom

Who won?
I thought we were pretty clear on this point that the result was completely even?

:-) nobody won here . Even as hell :-)

Big Tom · 07-24-2009, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by R1000K3

No completely, as it looked to me. Enrita won the start, marginally, but you soon got even. At the end you walked away from him by half a car lenght or so, or was that because Enita slowed down on purpose?

My god...

The race was even.
And yes, both did WOT through this whole race.

srt8/bmw · 07-24-2009, 06:49 AM

great stuff gentleman...good race. thank you for sharing. BTW-love what both you guys have on your cars.

enrita · 07-24-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by srt8/bmw

great stuff gentleman...good race. thank you for sharing. BTW-love what both you guys have on your cars.

you are not exactly stock yourself :-)

srt8/bmw · 07-24-2009, 08:53 AM

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you are not exactly stock yourself :-)

true.

I was referring to the other stuff too--your suspension and appearance mods. Car looks GREAT.

As for me-I was on a mission to be the first to get the Xi into the elevens. Now that thats done I may do a few suspension and appearance mods myself.

Nice thing about the Xi is--it truly is "street" trim. The eleven second 1/4 is on every

day tires, with a lil race gas. In the summer--thats likely what you will see me in on the street!

Zeph · 07-24-2009, 11:47 AM

You could see the shifts where he would fall back a couple of inches but then "catch back up" as his RPM's rose higher, only to shift again. He wasn't shifting super fast, just "normally quick" for a good race. Looked dead even until the very end when the clip cut off

Nice job representing the 6MT vs the AT

mmmotornutz · 07-24-2009, 02:31 PM

It would be nice to see a re-re-match with the V3 car w/ 0% CPS offset. This time around we can see if cat combos make a difference.

From the looks of it, V3 @ 100% CPS offset is just as fast as a JB3 1.4.

Not surprising though that both cars are even - matter of boost.

bamsefar · 07-24-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by enrita

is never going to be even in Shiv 's and fan boys perspectives ... thats the problem. we do this for fun and without tuning war but it always comes down to cheap excuses an the timinig marketing control which is getting really tiring lately...

Well, excuse for pointing out the obvious: You're just like that, fanboy of JB and full of it.

I've read what you write here, and on the JB forum. I'm not impressed at all.

AndreyATC · 07-24-2009, 05:14 PM

Great job with shifting, Big Tom!
Perfect example of MT vs AT race as well
Great to see you didnt give up any body length even during shifting

P.S. So much for automatic 100ms shift times and keeping boost between shifts hype
(sorry couldnt resist)

E82tt6 · 07-24-2009, 05:55 PM

Why the arguement? Two cars, same mods, same boost, same fast.

This is the definition of a driver's race, and I really can't believe anyone is arguing about anything. For that matter, I don't know why anyone would expect the results to be radically different when there are two tunes running the same boost, or close to it, and the same/similar mods.

Zeph · 07-24-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by E82tt6

Why the arguement? Two cars, same mods, same boost, same fast.

This is the definition of a driver's race, and I really can't believe anyone is arguing about anything. For that matter, I don't know why anyone would expect the results to be radically different when there are two tunes running the same boost, or close to it, and the same/similar mods.

lol more like man vs. machine:

One guy floors it.

Other guy floors it, lets off gas, pushes in clutch, shifts gears, lets off clutch, pushes in gas, and all at an exact RPM where he wanted to do it and all in a fraction of a second.

I guess having to floor it after the 3rd honk took some practice

Terrance28 · 07-25-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeph

lol more like man vs. machine:

One guy floors it.

Other guy floors it, lets off gas, pushes in clutch, shifts gears, lets off clutch, pushes in gas, and all at an exact RPM where he wanted to do it and all in a fraction of a second.

I guess having to floor it after the 3rd honk took some practice

Ok we get it your a diehard MT fan who believes you have to have a 3rd pedal for it to be a real car, and AT are for sissies who don't know how to drive. Now go stroke your e-penis for having a 6spd.

lawdude · 07-25-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrance28

Now go stroke your e-penis for having a 6spd.

He said "e-penis".

Zeph · 07-25-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrance28

Ok we get it your a diehard MT fan who believes you have to have a 3rd pedal for it to be a real car, and AT are for sissies who don't know how to drive. Now go stroke your e-penis for having a 6spd.

I apologize if I hurt your feelings. It is ok to ride in an automatic, my work truck is automatic. I prefer it that way since it gets me from place to place effortlessly while I am working.

Sometimes hearing the truth stings a bit, but it is healthy for personal development. Enjoy

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Terrance28 Brigadier General 114 Rep 3,334 Posts Drives: Crimson Red E92 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Killeen, TX iTrader: (17)	If he takes out his high flow cats, if he strips the interior, if they race on the moon. Ok if Big Tom gets catless and Enrita gets rid of his secondary cats will it be even again. C'mon guys it was a great race leave it at that, what the hell is with all the ifs. If you want to show what your catless setup or what your right settings can do stfu and bring your car out and race them and show a video instead of stating ifs. __________________ Mods list got too long, lets just say more than enough.
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skate_E92 Captain 33 Rep 688 Posts Drives: 09' e92 335i Join Date: May 2009 Location: SoCal iTrader: (3)	awesome videos!!! this is like a soap opera haha i look forward to the next race>>>> be safe and keep havin fun! __________________ TX. 2 CA.
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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	was a lot of traffic so we never got to 250 . was raining too a bit .. kinda scary when you put down so much power. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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srt8/bmw Private First Class 11 Rep 192 Posts Drives: 08 335xi coupe-Space Gray Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: michigan iTrader: (0)	great stuff gentleman...good race. thank you for sharing. BTW-love what both you guys have on your cars. __________________ 2013550Xi msport white 335xi-JB3, UR DPs, code-3 fmic, BMS filter,borla catback,11.96@116
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07-24-2009, 11:47 AM	#168
Zeph Major 29 Rep 1,410 Posts Drives: 2008 E92 335i 6MT SGM CR/BD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Southeast USA iTrader: (0)	You could see the shifts where he would fall back a couple of inches but then "catch back up" as his RPM's rose higher, only to shift again. He wasn't shifting super fast, just "normally quick" for a good race. Looked dead even until the very end when the clip cut off Nice job representing the 6MT vs the AT
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07-24-2009, 02:31 PM	#169
mmmotornutz Lieutenant 5 Rep 479 Posts Drives: Montego 335i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	It would be nice to see a re-re-match with the V3 car w/ 0% CPS offset. This time around we can see if cat combos make a difference. From the looks of it, V3 @ 100% CPS offset is just as fast as a JB3 1.4. Not surprising though that both cars are even - matter of boost. __________________ Your friendly SF Bay Area JB3 Installer
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07-24-2009, 05:14 PM	#171
AndreyATC Banned 104 Rep 1,828 Posts Drives: 2016 Tesla Model X P90DL Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Near NYC iTrader: (2) Garage List 2016 Tesla Model X [0.00] 2015 Tesla Model S ... [9.00]	Great job with shifting, Big Tom! Perfect example of MT vs AT race as well Great to see you didnt give up any body length even during shifting P.S. So much for automatic 100ms shift times and keeping boost between shifts hype (sorry couldnt resist)
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E82tt6 Colonel 109 Rep 2,626 Posts Drives: '08 Black Saphire Z4 MC Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	Why the arguement? Two cars, same mods, same boost, same fast. This is the definition of a driver's race, and I really can't believe anyone is arguing about anything. For that matter, I don't know why anyone would expect the results to be radically different when there are two tunes running the same boost, or close to it, and the same/similar mods. __________________ '08 Black Saphire/Black Z4 M Coupe RIP Gretta: Blue Water/Lemon 135i. Died to save me. -ChuckV
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