[Alpina_B3_Lux]

BTT please, those tuner discussions are just idle speculation as long as we do not know the cause of the engine failure.

Also, one should take into consideration that one of the advantages of a piggyback is (as opposed to a flash) that you can more or less program it yourself and also go beyond advisable power levels or disable important safety features.

Here's some information from N54tech concerning the codes immediately after failure:

2C7C:
2C7C Lambda probe behind catalytic converter 2, signal

29CD:
29CD Misfirings, cylinder 1

29D2:
29D2 Misfirings, cylinder 6

29CC:
29CC Misfirings, several cylinders

2CF9:
2CF9 Throttle valve potentiometer 1

2CFA:
2CFA Throttle valve potentiometer 2

2D09:
2D09 butterfly valve

2ACC:
2ACC DME digital motor electronics main relay, switch delay

29F3:
29F3 Fuel pressure sensor, electrical

2D20:
2D20 Accelerator pedal module, pedal sensor, plausibility between signal 1 and signal 2


2ACB:
2ACB DME digital motor electronics main relay, input signal

2FBE:
2FBE Fuel pressure after motor stop

Alpina_B3_Lux

[cn555ic]

Hmm I wonder why there is no superknock glow codes?? Sevak did you ever see any of those superknock/glow codes in any of the cylinders throughout the years with the car?

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by raceyBMW

+1, listened to the guy talk locally on his flash here once, and the guy did nothing but bash on piggybacks. He can sling with the best of them.

Was he backing up his statements with facts and reason?

I have heard a couple of interviews with Steve Dinan, I found him to be interesting and knowledgeable.

I would trust Dinan to tune my car, come to think of it I have (but that was back in my e36 days, also had Dinan flash my dads 540 back in the day).

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by enrita

his failure did not happen all at once (like mine) but probably overtime since suddenly the car started running funny when he started it in the morning. Maybe a small crack became a big one.
how much boost? 18-18,5 psi
what rpm?
what timing
what gas? 94 octane
what mods Full stage 3
what meth setup w what % and what failsafes? 100% meth or 70/30 from what i know with jb3 failsafe to map 7
what was the owner doing w the car at the time? started it in the morning

Ok, so it was a cold start and kaputz...that was the end of it. The damage was long done before that then. Guess someone needs to try and back track to remeber every run scenario then. Good luck.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Also, one should take into consideration that one of the advantages of a piggyback is (as opposed to a flash) that you can more or less program it yourself

In this particular case it seems to be a disadvantage.

[cstavaru]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Yeah...funny how people actually think the Procede costs 3 times as much as the JB3. Maybe it makes sense to them for a reason...? For jb3 owners, it's virtually only $300 upgrade.

Originally Posted by 2 3pair

Man, glad I didn't pay $1700 for my PROcede!

http://www.burgertuning.com/jb3pinout.html

http://www.vishnutuning.com/RevIICAN.htm

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

http://www.burgertuning.com/jb3pinout.html

http://www.vishnutuning.com/RevIICAN.htm

actually this is more appropriate: http://www.burgertuning.com/jb3pnp.html


Pnp vs Pnp

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by raceyBMW

+1, listened to the guy talk locally on his flash here once, and the guy did nothing but bash on piggybacks. He can sling with the best of them.

doesn't surprise me to find another end user of tuning products got the same impression I did.

the way he comes off is that if its not a Dinan badged product, then its rubbish regardless of how it performs.

[Brian135i]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

http://www.burgertuning.com/jb3pinout.html

http://www.vishnutuning.com/RevIICAN.htm

At let make it fare. Pnp to pnp.

http://www.burgertuning.com/jb3pnp.html

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by Sniz

doesn't surprise me to find another end user of tuning products got the same impression I did.

the way he comes off is that if its not a Dinan badged product, then its rubbish regardless of how it performs.

Lets go talk to him at the Atspeed open house on the 16th. Should be entertaining.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Brian135i

At let make it fare. Pnp to pnp.

http://www.burgertuning.com/jb3pnp.html

The parity between the two tunes is not as great as you think it is. Don't forget about the BT cable, which is a MUST if you own a JB3.

$529 + $287 = $816 if you want resale value out of your BT cable.
$529 + $150 = $679 if you want the single-VIN basic edition.

Compare to the $945 of the Procede? It's not that big a deal. No resistor cutting, box swapping, it's an all-in-one package.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by scottp999

Lets go talk to him at the Atspeed open house on the 16th. Should be entertaining.

ok

lets see what he thinks about what i've done to an e36 m3

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

http://www.burgertuning.com/jb3pinout.html

http://www.vishnutuning.com/RevIICAN.htm

This is when I wonder why I waste my time with fools and tools on the forum.

I'm sure other people question this as well. Ugh

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by themyst

The parity between the two tunes is not as great as you think it is. Don't forget about the BT cable, which is a MUST if you own a JB3.

$529 + $287 = $816 if you want resale value out of your BT cable.
$529 + $150 = $679 if you want the single-VIN basic edition.

Compare to the $945 of the Procede? It's not that big a deal. No resistor cutting, box swapping, it's an all-in-one package.

You do realize we have the JB3/CAN Tool package for 579.00. Gives you dash gauges, code clearing, etc. And the most important part the code clearing can be done with the tune unplugged.

http://www.n54tuning.com/index.php?_...d&productId=63

So the true comparison is 579.00 versus 945.00. You should also consider we have the JB3 pin-out for 429.00 with the CAN Tool, so thats 429.00 versus 945.00 in that case. Just want to give the correct numbers as you info was a little out of date.

Mike

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

You do realize we have the JB3/CAN Tool package for 579.00. Gives you dash gauges, code clearing, etc. And the most important part the code clearing can be done with the tune unplugged.

http://www.n54tuning.com/index.php?_...d&productId=63

So the true comparison is 579.00 versus 945.00. You should also consider we have the JB3 pin-out for 429.00 with the CAN Tool, so thats 429.00 versus 945.00 in that case. Just want to give the correct numbers as you info was a little out of date.

Mike

I wonder what value should be placed on active ignition timing control. For Sevak, I'm guessing around $10-12k.

[TakeOne]

Originally Posted by Sniz

ok

lets see what he thinks about what i've done to an e36 m3

I was hoping to see what your m3 could do when we were side-by-side two thursdays ago on 70East around noonish

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I wonder what value should be placed on active ignition timing control. For Sevak, I'm guessing around $10-12k.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by TakeOne

I was hoping to see what your m3 could do when we were side-by-side two thursdays ago on 70East around noonish

wtf?? really?

[TakeOne]

Originally Posted by Sniz

wtf?? really?

no.

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Hmm I wonder why there is no superknock glow codes?? Sevak did you ever see any of those superknock/glow codes in any of the cylinders throughout the years with the car?

+1 If this was due to the JB3 not controlling timing, you would think there would be those codes logged in the system......

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by RambleJ

+1 If this was due to the JB3 not controlling timing, you would think there would be those codes logged in the system......

Superknock codes are caused by sustained long-term timing retard. A catastrophic engine failure caused by brief series of severe knock events won't necessarily trigger ignition glow codes.

[shifterboy45]

Originally Posted by I335

These threads are actually my favorite. This is a car enthusiast forum so why in the world are some of you guys suggesting that the bantering stop? This is not a "let's all play nice all the time" type of forum - how boring would that be? All this "my car is faster than yours" and "my tune is better than yours" stuff is all GREAT stuff! It's entertaining, informative, and directly in line with what car enthusiasts are all about - extracting more performance and looks out of their cars and bragging, complimenting, and yes, arguing about it - it's the stuff that makes the car enthusiasts' world go round. Think about it - every time something like this comes up the tuners come out and we all learn a little more. Cars and Competition both start with the same letter for a very good reason because for us enthusiasts, that's what it's all about!

With the number of cars running hi power tunes and meth, the probability of at least a couple of them "having an accident", is VERY high - especially given that the average tune consumer understands the tunes about as well as the average person understands stem cell cloning. And the more power-greedy we get, the higher the probability we're going to run into trouble. If we're not living on the edge just a little bit, we're not living at all...

I personally love all the back and forth banter - reminds me of the 60s and 70s "my car is faster than yours" challenges. This place would be complacent and dare I say perhaps even a bit lame without Terry and Shiv and I respect both of them for what they can do and for their wealth of tuning knowledge. Keep up the great work guys - fun stuff.

you absolutely right on target --

it reminds me of being in the pits at the drag strip or at the corner donut shop at 12:00 at night and guys are "selling wolf tickets" about how fast their car is, and then some one calls them on it --- by pulling a alky burning big block off of a trailer. oops!

this is, and should always be the pursuit of truth, and the dismissal of preconcieved notions of how cars work. it so hard to unlearn something that you have already prejudged.. but all and all truth is truth...

way off topic --
listen, research for yourself and learn in the process..

analogy --
having the steriod users mentality is worthless, you can inject some unknown substance into your body and get physical result in a short period of time -- but what if it shoots your HTPA to hell, and your hormones are off balance the rest of your life? Everybody is looking for quick results, but to what end???