[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

You can run methanol on a Cobb unit.

Taking advantage of the meth would need a pro tune and ATR.

From a safety standpoint you would just need more hardware.

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

The guy I spoke to at COBB said that they weren't planning to support meth because of a lack of interest from potential customers.

He said the amount of people who would run meth on the COBB setup wouldn't cover the R

Don't worry about that. The trends will change. The minute people get bored with Stage 2 the demand will rise and Cobb will simply respond to the interest. Might take it a while, but you can bet on it.

[Skydive]

Holy cow...

The genesis of this thread has much more to do with Clap's ego than it does science or experience.

The common thread throughout is a clear lack of study and experience with fluid dynamics involved here, basic physics notwithstanding.

I'm fairly quiet on these forums because I've been there and done that for a number of years on any number of very similar platforms and forums. I'm no longer compelled by my own ego where cars are concerned, and I don't really care to spend my time on futile efforts to convince other people that my choices are the best choices for them.


...but I *am* compelled to thank Clap for the laughter he unintentionally provides.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Skydive

Holy cow...

The genesis of this thread has much more to do with Clap's ego than it does science or experience.

The common thread throughout is aclear lack of study and experience with fluid dynamics involved here, basic physics notwithstanding.

I'm fairly quiet on these forums because I've been there and done that for a number of years on any number of very similar platforms and forums. I'm no longer compelled by my own ego where cars are concerned, and I don't really care to spend my time on futile efforts to convince other people that my choices are the best choices for them.


...but I *am* compelled to thank Clap for the laughter he unintentionally provides.

Nice try, next time support your ego with data

[pwm@vishnu]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Check out n54 for a quick video and description of what aquamist failed to mention in their comparison video. Funny it seems like I sparked the attention of a.couple meth kit makers and one the standard ones are showing proof....makes you wonder why that is.

I hate to keep correcting you, it is getting tiring.

You are so easily misled by their videos. Why did they start injecting at 29%? Why not at 25%? (minimum user adjustable range)

Want to know the answers?

Aquamist videos have shown both systems injecting from 0 to 50%, They also mentioned this on the title so it is clear what the video is representing.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by pwm@vishnu

I hate to keep correcting you, it is getting tiring.

You are so easily misled by their videos. Why did they start injecting at 29%? Why not at 25%? (minimum user adjustable range)

Want to know the answers?

Aquamist videos have shown both systems injecting from 0 to 50%, They also mentioned this on the title so it is clear what the video is representing.

The aquamist videos were also from 2007. CM did not have their new nozzle out then. Sorry.

Edit: The PPS system was using a checkvalve so obviously its going to drip a little bit.

[acdHQK713K]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Don't worry about that. The trends will change. The minute people get bored with Stage 2 the demand will rise and Cobb will simply respond to the interest. Might take it a while, but you can bet on it.

Won't ATR be their form of meth support? Shouldn't that be superior to any off the shelf meth friendly map they could offer?

[pwm@vishnu]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

The aquamist videos were also from 2007. CM did not have their new nozzle out then. Sorry.

The aquamist video was showing the difference between the PPS and PWM system under the same test conditions, same nozzle and same pump. It was not directed at CM.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by pwm@vishnu

The aquamist video was showing the difference between the PPS and PWM system under the same test conditions, same jet and same pump. It was not directed to CM.

But we both know who made the new videos. And the old videos dont do the new system (which will include a solenoid)/nozzles justice.

[pwm@vishnu]

In order to communicate their effort more effectively agianst the aquamist PPS videos. They should show a video to show the spray quality from 0-50% dc and back.

I am sure you know the reason why...

[chili36]

Originally Posted by pwm@vishnu

In order to communicate their effort more effectively agianst the aquamist PPS videos. They should show a video to show the spray quality from 0-50% dc and back.

I am sure you know the reason why...

System won't run lower than 25.

[pwm@vishnu]

In order to make a true comparsion to rebuff aquamist's PPS video, it is only fair to make this video to go from 0-50-0%. At least from 25% on.

If aquamist could control a pump to run from 0-50%, why can't CM. Aquamist don't even sell PPS systems.

Did you know the PPS system will inject over 50% of maximum flow at 29% DC?

[Rotorocious]

Is all this arguing over meth kits about how the system atomizes at nearly never run duty cycles?
I mean, sure its great that if one kit can atomize it better at 3% dc, but who cares.
It's not most importantly needed there ?
I think all these meth kits will do the job, no one kit is perfect and they all have flaws.
I for one would rather not have the sloppy wiring that looks to be that Procede kit with the ghetto hobb (boost switch) switch. Granted it may work, but after all these badass CAN features, there should be a cleaner way.

I don't have a meth kit yet, but just wanted to throw that out there to see what everyone thought.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by pwm@vishnu

In order to make a true comparsion to rebuff aquamist's PPS video, it is only fair to make this video to go from 0-50-0%. At least from 25% on.

If aquamist could control a pump to run from 0-50%, why can't CM. Aquamist don't even sell PPS systems.

Did you know the PPS system will inject over 50% of maximum flow at 29% DC?

But shivs logs dont even show that, it goes from 0-75 percecnt in an INSTANT. So whats the point?

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by pwm@vishnu

In order to make a true comparsion to rebuff aquamist's PPS video, it is only fair to make this video to go from 0-50-0%. At least from 25% on.

If aquamist could control a pump to run from 0-50%, why can't CM. Aquamist don't even sell PPS systems.

Did you know the PPS system will inject over 50% of maximum flow at 29% DC?

Because less than 25% is not needed. Back to basic point, closed loop fueling.

[pwm@vishnu]

Originally Posted by Clap135

But shivs logs dont even show that, it goes from 0-75 percecnt in an INSTANT. So whats the point?

You have a memory like a seive, we have already explained this to you on the other thread. Just bring you back to the loop, the discussion was about an aquamist video and CM video, don't involve Shiv.

How about correcting your mistake about measuring PWM V pressure with a gauge.

[pwm@vishnu]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Because less than 25% is not needed. Back to basic point, closed loop fueling.

This is not about close-loop fueling, it is about the atomising quality between a PPS and PWM -V system at low duty cycle. We can discuss the CLF on another post.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by pwm@vishnu

You have a memory like a seive, we have already explained this to you on the other thread. Just bring you back to the loop, the discussion was about an aquamist video and CM video, don't involve Shiv.

How about correcting your mistake about measuring PWM V pressure with a gauge.

your reading comprehension still sufferes.

Shiv went in there and said the signal is noisy, I said ok, take out the nice and get an average....nothing changes.
How bout posting a video to proove me wrong?

[themyst]

I still can't believe all this bandwidth is being used for such a granular difference between a pwm meth kit and standard progressive boost based kit, both of which are fucking useless.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by pwm@vishnu

This is not about close-loop fueling, it is about the atomising quality between a PPS and PWM -V system at low duty cycle. We can discuss the CLF on another post.

Okay, yes, the atomization is great. You probably realized that when you watched CM's video. There isnt any dribble with a solenoid, which they are using now, so whats the problem?

[pwm@vishnu]

Originally Posted by pwm@vishnu

You have a memory like a seive, we have already explained this to you on the other thread. Just bring you back to the loop, the discussion was about an aquamist video and CM video, don't involve Shiv.

How about correcting your mistake about measuring PWM V pressure with a gauge.

read again ... slowly

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by pwm@vishnu

read again

Read again...