I cloned my MSV70 DME

bryanjb · 03-28-2018, 01:58 AM

hi hass, just registered in bimmerlabs, and would note that in firefox 59.0.1 the captcha doesn't display correctly, ended up doing the reg in IE. long time lurker, new poster, very obvious how much work you've put into these DMEs. looking forward to trying something in my MSV80 E91.

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

No, basically that's one of the reasons I require registration (and to create a car-specific project) rather than just posting download links.

Each car (1 series, Z, 3, 5, etc) all have important differences in calibrations - even for the same engine and DME. So you cant just use the tune from a Z4 3.0si on say, a 328i or even a 330i.

Each tune is tailored to each specific chassis (and if neccesary, region). The software we have developed makes it easier to see all these differences.

For example, the Z4 uses CAN11h for the CAN network - while all E90s use BN2000. So while I could physically flash a Z4 file to any other chassis, it wouldn't work because in this case none of the CAN modules would function properly.

erfont · 03-28-2018, 07:02 AM

Does the Bimmerlabs flash work for msv80.1, n51 sulev that already has a 3 stage manifold? Tried searching but didn't find anything decisive.

hassmaschine · 03-28-2018, 09:55 AM

I can make files for it but nobody has asked yet, also you basically already have a 3 stage tune, so it probably isn't a big difference. Maybe the VVT and fuel targets are still lower than the 330i, I'd have to compare them.

hassmaschine · 03-28-2018, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bryanjb

hi hass, just registered in bimmerlabs, and would note that in firefox 59.0.1 the captcha doesn't display correctly, ended up doing the reg in IE. long time lurker, new poster, very obvious how much work you've put into these DMEs. looking forward to trying something in my MSV80 E91.

thanks for the heads up!

The-Traveler · 03-28-2018, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The-Traveler

330 comes with that, and 255 tune out of the factory.
How do I obtain more, for a reasonable price?

I was actually thinking of putting up a '330si' tune - sort of a "factory" 265bhp tune for my 330i brothers.

Have you come to a decision about this?

PD330 · 03-28-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

the boot code is pretty much the same, but yeah.

Anyway, it still makes sense to just bypass the RSA since you have to do it anyway. Finding the powerclass byte shouldn't be hard. Then you can modify other parts of the tune if you wish..

Actualy I don't plan any further modifications now, but yeah, its a nice side effect to have this option in future.
I did not manage to find the byte, but my skills are also very poor. Looking forward to hear from you, when you have time to take a look

CobraMarty · 03-28-2018, 11:24 PM

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Good to know!

Also read through this thread in its entirety. Hard to believe this all began with a "I couldn't resist." Great work

Or 'That can't be done' or 'It won't work' also seem to be motivating statements.

hassmaschine · 03-28-2018, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Traveler

Have you come to a decision about this?

not yet, I have other commitments to finish first.

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Or 'That can't be done' or 'It won't work' also seem to be motivating statements.

also this thread illustrates how often I'm completely wrong. lol. Gotta make a mess to make sausage though..

Rickyshucks · 03-29-2018, 09:51 AM

I was driving to work after what seemed as a successful flash last night. I got the ok for both batch files and no codes.

However, driving it to work and notice a lack of power/hesitant acceleration with full throttle. It take long to get up to top speed and feels sluggish.

Any idea why? Adapting or maybe some mechanical/technical issue? All the steps where followed. Winkfp did crash at 80ish percent the first time but I loaded the rsa delete again and everything went smooth after that flash.

Thanks

Taskmaster · 03-29-2018, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickyshucks

I was driving to work after what seemed as a successful flash last night. I got the ok for both batch files and no codes.

However, driving it to work and notice a lack of power/hesitant acceleration with full throttle. It take long to get up to top speed and feels sluggish.

Any idea why? Adapting or maybe some mechanical/technical issue? All the steps where followed. Winkfp did crash at 80ish percent the first time but I loaded the rsa delete again and everything went smooth after that flash.

Thanks

Pull any pending codes and reset the adaptations.

hassmaschine · 03-29-2018, 11:16 AM

Yeah you probably need to reset adaptations. Beware if you reset all of them, it also clears the emissions monitors (so don't do it if you're going to get your car smogged tomorrow or something).

also, after you reset adaptations, there will likely be errors for the throttle etc. on first startup (and it can run roughly). You would then clear the error codes, and restart the car and it will be fine.

desertman123 · 03-29-2018, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Yeah you probably need to reset adaptations. Beware if you reset all of them, it also clears the emissions monitors (so don't do it if you're going to get your car smogged tomorrow or something).

also, after you reset adaptations, there will likely be errors for the throttle etc. on first startup (and it can run roughly). You would then clear the error codes, and restart the car and it will be fine.

Is the throttle adaptation reset where you hold the pedal down for like 30s even real?

hassmaschine · 03-29-2018, 01:21 PM

no idea, I always just did it in INPA.

you can do them individually as well, I just wanted people to know if you reset everything it also resets all your OBD monitors..

The-Traveler · 03-29-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Yeah you probably need to reset adaptations. Beware if you reset all of them, it also clears the emissions monitors (so don't do it if you're going to get your car smogged tomorrow or something).

also, after you reset adaptations, there will likely be errors for the throttle etc. on first startup (and it can run roughly). You would then clear the error codes, and restart the car and it will be fine.

After you clear out of Tatian and you can reset and calibrate the throttle by following that old procedure from the E46 six days. Get into the car put the KEYN put your foot to the floor turn it to position one so the car is on but not ignition wait 30 to 60 seconds I don't remember turn off the car take your foot off the gas and you're done

Rickyshucks · 03-30-2018, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Yeah you probably need to reset adaptations. Beware if you reset all of them, it also clears the emissions monitors (so don't do it if you're going to get your car smogged tomorrow or something).

also, after you reset adaptations, there will likely be errors for the throttle etc. on first startup (and it can run roughly). You would then clear the error codes, and restart the car and it will be fine.

I reset the adaptations this morning and cleared codes. These two errors keep appearing and the car is still driving sluggish. Le sigh. Any idea on diagnosing this?

(translated)
2FA3 - CODING IS MISSING
200 NO CODING IS PERFORMED AFTER PROGRAMMING
17 test conditions not yet met
34 error currently exists, yet not obd-debounced
48 Error does not cause the warning lamp to light up mil

2FA4 - wrong record
172 variants monitoring
17 test conditions not yet met
34 error currently exists, yet not obd-debounced
48 Error does not cause the warning lamp to light up mil
P3235 control unit monitoring safety function - error variant coding

rjahl · 03-30-2018, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickyshucks

I reset the adaptations this morning and cleared codes. These two errors keep appearing and the car is still driving sluggish. Le sigh. Any idea on diagnosing this?

(translated)
2FA3 - CODING IS MISSING
200 NO CODING IS PERFORMED AFTER PROGRAMMING
17 test conditions not yet met
34 error currently exists, yet not obd-debounced
48 Error does not cause the warning lamp to light up mil

2FA4 - wrong record
172 variants monitoring
17 test conditions not yet met
34 error currently exists, yet not obd-debounced
48 Error does not cause the warning lamp to light up mil
P3235 control unit monitoring safety function - error variant coding

Looks like he is running the wrong calibration file for his car.

hassmaschine · 03-30-2018, 10:17 AM

I'll have to look at his project, now I think about it I'm wondering if he somehow installed a 330i tune with the wrong powerclass.

edit: it was an error on my end - fixed now.

Rickyshucks · 03-30-2018, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

I'll have to look at his project, now I think about it I'm wondering if he somehow installed a 330i tune with the wrong powerclass.

edit: it was an error on my end - fixed now.

Indeed it has been fixed. Shout out to hass for the assistance on this. Felt like live support lol. Car is awake and running strong now!

bryanjb · 04-04-2018, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

thanks for the heads up!

no problem - wish i could contribute substantially.

in bimmerlabs, got my project in and DL'd the only file available, the RSA delete for MSV80. i've read this whole thread, but i cannot tell if that includes updates like 3IM, powerclass byte or anything else. i'm looking for a reason to flash, but i have a couple of dealer recalls, including PCV heater, and should probably hold off on installing the new manifold / DISA 3IM until that is done.

- shame I can't just have them put the new manifold in when they put it back together, but at least if it has a frail old PCV hose they will likely replace it then...

hassmaschine · 04-04-2018, 10:49 AM

No, dont flash it. You need a tune file or your car will be inoperable. The RSA delete just unlocks the DME, it is not a tune.

What car do you have? 328xi? I will have one up when I get back from vacation.

The Nightman · 04-04-2018, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanjb

but i have a couple of dealer recalls, including PCV heater, and should probably hold off on installing the new manifold / DISA 3IM until that is done.

- shame I can't just have them put the new manifold in when they put it back together, but at least if it has a frail old PCV hose they will likely replace it then...

I was thinking the same thing but from the documentation I've seen (see attached SIB), the dealer accesses the PCV heater valve by removing the alternator rather than the intake manifold.

PD330 · 04-07-2018, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PD330

Yes, its a N53B30, currently with single stage. But manifold of 330i will be used later.

New ZB# of the 325i would be 8619314 (8619315.0da and 7612455.0pa).

I THINK ZB# of 330i should be 8619316 (8619317.0da and also 7612455.0pa). But this is only what I found online somewhere, not sure if this is correct...I could just try to flash and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

You can flash it but it will run in limp mode.

I'll try in the next week to look at those files.

Hey, did you had time to have a look to the files?
I just compared the binaries and searched for offsets with 00 in 8619315.0da and 02 in 8619317.0da, as this must be values of powerclass byte.

Figured out that only the following 7 offsets are possible:
00043A14
0005B6C1
0005B6CF
0005B6D1
00065FB4
000660F1
00066194

Maybe this information helps you...

edit: Damn sorry, just seen that I switched zb and file names in my post before.
8619314 is 325i
8619316 is 330i

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hassmaschine Major General 3987 Rep 7,212 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	No, dont flash it. You need a tune file or your car will be inoperable. The RSA delete just unlocks the DME, it is not a tune. What car do you have? 328xi? I will have one up when I get back from vacation.
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