BMW Announces Voluntary N54 Engine (HPFP) and X5 Recall

Php · 10-28-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gizmo335i

It's just impossible for me to believe that they can't figure this thing out. I think they're being lazy about it for a few reasons. One of them being that it's not an M along with it just being a 3 series. If this was an M3 or a 5 or 7 series and it affected some higher income people, you can bet your ass there'd be a quicker/better response to this issue.

But the majority of BMW's revenue/profit is made from the regular 3 series and not the M...even if it serves as the flagship model. They know that and they wouldn't wanna mess around with that image or reputation for their future's sake....ESPECIALLY the 3 series, which counts for like 40% of all BMW cars sold.

BTM · 10-28-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oleg

How do I find out what fuel pump was installed on my car?

If you're on your original pump it would be an 881, if it's been replaced your service invoice will list a part number

OnlyTruth · 10-28-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BTM

If you're on your original pump it would be an 881, if it's been replaced your service invoice will list a part number

The new one was installed this past July 2010, thanks will look for invoice.

sleepyx637 · 10-28-2010, 01:42 PM

Can someone who recently got the software update chime in about any effects? (lag, faster, etc). I have an appointment for next Thursday. Thanks.

OnlyTruth · 10-28-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyx637

Can someone who recently got the software update chime in about any effects? (lag, faster, etc). I have an appointment for next Thursday. Thanks.

I hear the fuel pump buzz when I unlock the car that's about it

str8nm · 10-28-2010, 02:00 PM

So, since the recall does not involve 2011, does that mean my 2011 335is is safe?

Kolyan2k · 10-28-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by str8nm

So, since the recall does not involve 2011, does that mean my 2011 335is is safe?

this recall is probably bs to clear the name in front of media and avoid law suites...i believe hpfp issue is still present and recall will not fix it. bmw had issues with hpfp for 4 years and right after the news coverage they issued a recall......scumbags

blimey · 10-28-2010, 02:19 PM

This is like the sub-frame problem on E46. My E46 is a 1999 and until now only has 70,000 miles. I had the sub-frame reinforced and found out anyway that it was starting to tear. I was unfortunately ineligible because I am running non OEM wheel size. Just pathetic BMW. I paid on my own which I labeled it as a yearly car expense.

And now this issue?!

Any marketing fools in BMW corporate knows that word of mouth is the most powerful form of advertising. I will reluctantly advise others on a BMW in the future. For me, the near future will consist of Audi or some cheap car.

TheRox · 10-28-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Php

But the majority of BMW's revenue/profit is made from the regular 3 series and not the M...even if it serves as the flagship model. They know that and they wouldn't wanna mess around with that image or reputation for their future's sake....ESPECIALLY the 3 series, which counts for like 40% of all BMW cars sold.

My understanding is that the 535 has the n54/55 engine and does fail

I've Also read that the 750i uses direct injection and it's fuel pump is prone to failure

The 740 uses the n55 engine too

galahad05 · 10-28-2010, 04:44 PM

I had the dreaded shaky idle + engine power down (half-engine symbol) a few weeks back. Took the car in.

They ended up replacing three injectors plus associated spark plugs, and updating the software.

The car now has much much smoother idle than before. And get this: I'm getting +4 MPG average from before the fix!
I used to get 20.x MPG, I now get 24.x MPG under the same conditions....
So there's that benefit, at least.

Jlomb436 · 10-28-2010, 04:56 PM

Just so everyone knows, I took my car in today because I made an appointment before the recall. SA told me he might hang on to the car to see what BMW wants to do, as he was told as of this moment they don't have clear instructions on what the process will be. But, my injectors we're just replaced as well.

Dubs335 · 10-28-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by captainaudio

I don't think it is acceptable either, but I wordered if there was a correlation.

CA

I heard from the techs at the dealer that it is realted to the ethanol in the gas.

Dubs335 · 10-28-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Php

Even if that was the case, it's still not really acceptable for the pump to fail just because of more aggressive driving (to a reasonable degree that is. I assume not everybody who experienced pump failures all raped their car). Especially on the 335, where these cars were purposely built for driving fun, and from a company that "the ultimate DRIVING machine" is their top priority.

I heard from the tech's that it is related to the ethanol in the gas

SCMike · 10-28-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubs335

I heard from the tech's that it is related to the ethanol in the gas

That's a good measure of the capabilities of the techs - B O G U S. I am embarrassed on their behalf.

BTM · 10-28-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubs335

I heard from the tech's that it is related to the ethanol in the gas

Nothing conclusive supporting this, with quite a lot refuting it (ie global failures)

BTM · 10-28-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SCMike

That's a good measure of the capabilities of the techs - B O G U S. I am embarrassed on their behalf.

Not that I confuse technicians with engineers (even they can't seem to be able to figure this one out), but don't let the opinion of a few lead you to make generalizations about them all. I've asked 2 techs what they thought and they were actually pretty educated about it - both mentioned the discrepancies about repeated failures in some cars with long lasting pumps in others as particularly confusing. Either way, with regard to this issue, it's not a tech's job to know what causes HPFP failures, just to properly install a new one in when BMW approves it

OnlyTruth · 10-29-2010, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TrackRat

IMO NHTSA needs to have and use the power to suspend all sales of vehicles known to have a safety defect - until the car maker can prove they have properly and permanently corrected the defect on 100% of the vehicles produced. Safety would then become a higher priority and not an after thought only forced by public exposure of the safety defect on national TV.

Totally agree, consumer is under-protected here

Tag · 10-29-2010, 02:11 AM

Bullshit Media Whitewash

I just filled out this form on ABC to contact Nightline and complain about how BMW is being dishonest about this recall regarding their investigative story.

Everyone should do the same so ABC can do a follow up story on this!

This is what I wrote...

Please select the subject for your message *
Complaint

Your Question or Comments (500 character limit)
BMW's high pressure fuel pump recall is a cover up. They are not replacing the fuel pumps for the majority of recalled cars, but rather applying a software “patch” in hopes of delaying the issue. BMW was already doing what is outlined in the recall prior to the ABC investigation. The recall is nothing more than semantics meant to appease the media. Please read this thread of angry BMW owners whose cars were part of the recall.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=447263

Feel free to copy/paste this when filling out the form.

crex · 10-29-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tag824

Bullshit Media Whitewash

I just filled out this form on ABC to contact Nightline and complain about how BMW is being dishonest about this recall regarding their investigative story.

Everyone should do the same so ABC can do a follow up story on this!

This is what I wrote...

Please select the subject for your message *
Complaint

Your Question or Comments (500 character limit)
BMW's high pressure fuel pump recall is a cover up. They are not replacing the fuel pumps for the majority of recalled cars, but rather applying a software “patch” in hopes of delaying the issue. BMW was already doing what is outlined in the recall prior to the ABC investigation. The recall is nothing more than semantics meant to appease the media. Please read this thread of angry BMW owners whose cars were part of the recall.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=447263

Feel free to copy/paste this when filling out the form.

wj4 · 10-29-2010, 08:29 AM

Yup, just another software fix it. I took my car into the dealership yesterday because it threw a SES light. MY SA said that there is a recall on my car and they would have to do a software update before anything else to see if it gets rid of the SES.

gizmo335i · 10-29-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wj4

Yup, just another software fix it. I took my car into the dealership yesterday because it threw a SES light. MY SA said that there is a recall on my car and they would have to do a software update before anything else to see if it gets rid of the SES.

So did you get the update? And if so, did it do anything?

ragingclue · 10-29-2010, 09:04 AM

I'm thinking the software "fix" is the software implementation some of us got a few months ago... I may be wrong about that though. Wasn't that the software that primed the pump? If so, it's not going to help very much. After just a few months with the new software on the "new" pump (they're still doling out 933's), my HPFP failed pretty badly.

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Jlomb436 Lieutenant 57 Rep 465 Posts Drives: 09 E90 Space Gray 335i Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California iTrader: (0)	Just so everyone knows, I took my car in today because I made an appointment before the recall. SA told me he might hang on to the car to see what BMW wants to do, as he was told as of this moment they don't have clear instructions on what the process will be. But, my injectors we're just replaced as well.
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Tag this is the way 19943 Rep 8,937 Posts Drives: N-1 starfighter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago iTrader: (3)	Bullshit Media Whitewash I just filled out this form on ABC to contact Nightline and complain about how BMW is being dishonest about this recall regarding their investigative story. Everyone should do the same so ABC can do a follow up story on this! This is what I wrote... Please select the subject for your message * Complaint Your Question or Comments (500 character limit) BMW's high pressure fuel pump recall is a cover up. They are not replacing the fuel pumps for the majority of recalled cars, but rather applying a software “patch” in hopes of delaying the issue. BMW was already doing what is outlined in the recall prior to the ABC investigation. The recall is nothing more than semantics meant to appease the media. Please read this thread of angry BMW owners whose cars were part of the recall. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=447263 Feel free to copy/paste this when filling out the form.
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wj4 Major General 353 Rep 7,719 Posts Drives: E90 manual 335i Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Burbank, CA iTrader: (8)	Yup, just another software fix it. I took my car into the dealership yesterday because it threw a SES light. MY SA said that there is a recall on my car and they would have to do a software update before anything else to see if it gets rid of the SES.
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ragingclue One cam is enough 136 Rep 6,801 Posts Drives: VF Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: mulletville iTrader: (1)	I'm thinking the software "fix" is the software implementation some of us got a few months ago... I may be wrong about that though. Wasn't that the software that primed the pump? If so, it's not going to help very much. After just a few months with the new software on the "new" pump (they're still doling out 933's), my HPFP failed pretty badly.
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