340i / 440i (B58) BMW M Performance Power and Sound Kit (MPPSK) Official Release

AudiA4 · 09-18-2016, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcarls

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

It's an expensive 30 HP. That's a fact. That's my only point.

p.s. I have MPE, so I'm pretty well versed on what it does and doesn't do.

p.p.s. I also have a nuclear fusion reactor, sooo....

So you spent $1,500 for zero HP with the MPE?

at least I'm getting 30.

No, I didn't spend anything on it...the guy I bought it from did.

cptcrunch · 09-18-2016, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

Dinantronics Sport. $300. 30 HP.

I'm sure you can find some rationale to spend ten times more. The fact remains, it is not a good value. In fact, it's likely the absolute MOST you can spend for that performance increase.

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

It could come with a nuclear fusion generator. The fact remains is that the $3,000 kit only adds 30 HP. Valid point about the B58...currently.

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

It's an expensive 30 HP. That's a fact. That's my only point.

p.s. I have MPE, so I'm pretty well versed on what it does and doesn't do.

p.p.s. I also have a nuclear fusion reactor, sooo....

The dinantronics sport is $300 for 30hp because there is no warranty on your drivetrain components, unlike the MPPSK. If your engine/transmission fails with the dinantronics sport installed, there is no warranty repair from dinan or bmw.

For a comparable system, here is the cost breakdown:
The MPE is ~$1200 and provides little improvement in HP. It is also an exhaust only with no mid pipe. Some vendors are charging $500-600 for the mid pipe (see AWE). Add the dinantronics sport and you have an approximate total of $2,100 to $2,200 plus installation costs of the exhaust system (unless you self installed).

The MPPSK kit is new and so far we are seeing prices around $3000 installed. For the extra $800, you have a BMW designed system with factory warranty that includes a cat-back exhaust and tune. You buy one upgrade instead of piecing together an exhaust, mid pipe and a tune that does not carry, and could void, a vehicle warranty. For my money, $800 is cheap for a factory system and oem warranty.

If you are going to compare the dinantronics sport power to the MPPSK, lets at least be fair about it

AudiA4 · 09-18-2016, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cptcrunch

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

Dinantronics Sport. $300. 30 HP.

I'm sure you can find some rationale to spend ten times more. The fact remains, it is not a good value. In fact, it's likely the absolute MOST you can spend for that performance increase.

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

It could come with a nuclear fusion generator. The fact remains is that the $3,000 kit only adds 30 HP. Valid point about the B58...currently.

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

It's an expensive 30 HP. That's a fact. That's my only point.

p.s. I have MPE, so I'm pretty well versed on what it does and doesn't do.

p.p.s. I also have a nuclear fusion reactor, sooo....

The dinantronics sport is $300 for 30hp because there is no warranty on your drivetrain components, unlike the MPPSK. If your engine/transmission fails with the dinantronics sport installed, there is no warranty repair from dinan or bmw.

For a comparable system, here is the cost breakdown:
The MPE is ~$1200 and provides little improvement in HP. It is also an exhaust only with no mid pipe. Some vendors are charging $500-600 for the mid pipe (see AWE). Add the dinantronics sport and you have an approximate total of $2,100 to $2,200 plus installation costs of the exhaust system (unless you self installed).

The MPPSK kit is new and so far we are seeing prices around $3000 installed. For the extra $800, you have a BMW designed system with factory warranty that includes a cat-back exhaust and tune. You buy one upgrade instead of piecing together an exhaust, mid pipe and a tune that does not carry, and could void, a vehicle warranty. For my money, $800 is cheap for a factory system and oem warranty.

If you are going to compare the dinantronics sport power to the MPPSK, lets at least be fair about it

I'm comparing 30HP to 30HP. I fully understand the difference. It's very simple.

donkey · 09-18-2016, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcarls

You r the smartest 335 owner on the boards.

true statement

I don't know, you might have outshined me with that one

Did you get offended by something I said? You shouldn't have.

CruzM3 · 09-18-2016, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

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Originally Posted by cptcrunch

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

Dinantronics Sport. $300. 30 HP.

I'm sure you can find some rationale to spend ten times more. The fact remains, it is not a good value. In fact, it's likely the absolute MOST you can spend for that performance increase.

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

It could come with a nuclear fusion generator. The fact remains is that the $3,000 kit only adds 30 HP. Valid point about the B58...currently.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudiA4

It's an expensive 30 HP. That's a fact. That's my only point.

p.s. I have MPE, so I'm pretty well versed on what it does and doesn't do.

p.p.s. I also have a nuclear fusion reactor, sooo....

The dinantronics sport is $300 for 30hp because there is no warranty on your drivetrain components, unlike the MPPSK. If your engine/transmission fails with the dinantronics sport installed, there is no warranty repair from dinan or bmw.

For a comparable system, here is the cost breakdown:
The MPE is ~$1200 and provides little improvement in HP. It is also an exhaust only with no mid pipe. Some vendors are charging $500-600 for the mid pipe (see AWE). Add the dinantronics sport and you have an approximate total of $2,100 to $2,200 plus installation costs of the exhaust system (unless you self installed).

The MPPSK kit is new and so far we are seeing prices around $3000 installed. For the extra $800, you have a BMW designed system with factory warranty that includes a cat-back exhaust and tune. You buy one upgrade instead of piecing together an exhaust, mid pipe and a tune that does not carry, and could void, a vehicle warranty. For my money, $800 is cheap for a factory system and oem warranty.

If you are going to compare the dinantronics sport power to the MPPSK, lets at least be fair about it

I'm comparing 30HP to 30HP. I fully understand the difference. It's very simple.

That's not the only factor here. No one cares about the money to hp factor as that's not all there is to it. if you want to compare tunes then I would still take the ~30hp of the MPPSK because it's an actual flash tune which is better instead of a piggyback.

AudiA4 · 09-18-2016, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruz28/40

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

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Originally Posted by cptcrunch

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

Dinantronics Sport. $300. 30 HP.

I'm sure you can find some rationale to spend ten times more. The fact remains, it is not a good value. In fact, it's likely the absolute MOST you can spend for that performance increase.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudiA4

It could come with a nuclear fusion generator. The fact remains is that the $3,000 kit only adds 30 HP. Valid point about the B58...currently.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudiA4

It's an expensive 30 HP. That's a fact. That's my only point.

p.s. I have MPE, so I'm pretty well versed on what it does and doesn't do.

p.p.s. I also have a nuclear fusion reactor, sooo....

The dinantronics sport is $300 for 30hp because there is no warranty on your drivetrain components, unlike the MPPSK. If your engine/transmission fails with the dinantronics sport installed, there is no warranty repair from dinan or bmw.

For a comparable system, here is the cost breakdown:
The MPE is ~$1200 and provides little improvement in HP. It is also an exhaust only with no mid pipe. Some vendors are charging $500-600 for the mid pipe (see AWE). Add the dinantronics sport and you have an approximate total of $2,100 to $2,200 plus installation costs of the exhaust system (unless you self installed).

The MPPSK kit is new and so far we are seeing prices around $3000 installed. For the extra $800, you have a BMW designed system with factory warranty that includes a cat-back exhaust and tune. You buy one upgrade instead of piecing together an exhaust, mid pipe and a tune that does not carry, and could void, a vehicle warranty. For my money, $800 is cheap for a factory system and oem warranty.

If you are going to compare the dinantronics sport power to the MPPSK, lets at least be fair about it

I'm comparing 30HP to 30HP. I fully understand the difference. It's very simple.

That's not the only factor here. No one cares if about the money to hp factor as that's not the all there is to it. if you want to compare tunes then I would still take the ~30hp of the MPPSK because it's an actual flash tune which is better instead of a piggyback.

Agreed. There is added value to the BMW option. I'm not even saying I wouldn't do it if I were custom ordering a new 340. I was just pointing out that like most things BMW (or Apple, etc.), expect to pay a premium.

goj · 09-18-2016, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

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Originally Posted by Cruz28/40

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

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Originally Posted by cptcrunch

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

Dinantronics Sport. $300. 30 HP.

I'm sure you can find some rationale to spend ten times more. The fact remains, it is not a good value. In fact, it's likely the absolute MOST you can spend for that performance increase.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudiA4

It could come with a nuclear fusion generator. The fact remains is that the $3,000 kit only adds 30 HP. Valid point about the B58...currently.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudiA4

It's an expensive 30 HP. That's a fact. That's my only point.

p.s. I have MPE, so I'm pretty well versed on what it does and doesn't do.

p.p.s. I also have a nuclear fusion reactor, sooo....

The dinantronics sport is $300 for 30hp because there is no warranty on your drivetrain components, unlike the MPPSK. If your engine/transmission fails with the dinantronics sport installed, there is no warranty repair from dinan or bmw.

For a comparable system, here is the cost breakdown:
The MPE is ~$1200 and provides little improvement in HP. It is also an exhaust only with no mid pipe. Some vendors are charging $500-600 for the mid pipe (see AWE). Add the dinantronics sport and you have an approximate total of $2,100 to $2,200 plus installation costs of the exhaust system (unless you self installed).

The MPPSK kit is new and so far we are seeing prices around $3000 installed. For the extra $800, you have a BMW designed system with factory warranty that includes a cat-back exhaust and tune. You buy one upgrade instead of piecing together an exhaust, mid pipe and a tune that does not carry, and could void, a vehicle warranty. For my money, $800 is cheap for a factory system and oem warranty.

If you are going to compare the dinantronics sport power to the MPPSK, lets at least be fair about it

I'm comparing 30HP to 30HP. I fully understand the difference. It's very simple.

That's not the only factor here. No one cares if about the money to hp factor as that's not the all there is to it. if you want to compare tunes then I would still take the ~30hp of the MPPSK because it's an actual flash tune which is better instead of a piggyback.

Agreed. There is added value to the BMW option. I'm not even saying I wouldn't do it if I were custom ordering a new 340. I was just pointing out that like most things BMW (or Apple, etc.), expect to pay a premium.

Well the same goes for resale. A MPPSK car will be more desirable. An aftermarket tune takes away from the resale.

People pay for extra power and they pay for peace of mind with the OEM tune and exhaust. Especially with a brand new engine.

I won't be able to afford 3k aftermarket so I won't get it but if I had the money I would. One engine problem that could be attributed to an aftermarket tune, whether it be the cause or not and the difference is paid for. No use pissing on other people values because yours are different

dkirsch78 · 09-19-2016, 11:38 AM

I bit the bullet. Thursday morning appointment at my dealer to get it installed.

Went with Stainless tips bc I think that'll look better on my Mineral Grey M Sport than Carbon Fiber. Really looking forward to feeling the difference in power!

bjcarls · 09-19-2016, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by drive335

I don't know, you might have outshined me with that one

Did you get offended by something I said? You shouldn't have.

Not offended. You said it exactly. Over half on the board would wonder why I spent 62k on my wife's 340ix. I understand because I had that logic, then I aged, and now I have more money and buy what I want, decisions aren't always a hp/$ ratio, how much you can afford. It's enjoyment, ease, and lots of factors that people don't understand.

CruzM3 · 09-19-2016, 01:10 PM

Those that are buying the kit please post your review/impressions of it.

dkirsch78 · 09-19-2016, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruz28/40

Those that are buying the kit please post your review/impressions of it.

Will do!

TheObviousChild · 09-19-2016, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dkirsch78

I bit the bullet. Thursday morning appointment at my dealer to get it installed.

Went with Stainless tips bc I think that'll look better on my Mineral Grey M Sport than Carbon Fiber. Really looking forward to feeling the difference in power!

Mind sharing how much you agreed on out the door? I think this will be very useful for others approaching dealerships.

I was roughly quoted at a bit shy of $4,000, but someone else above is getting it for $2,900 out the door. Pretty huge difference.

cmplaya · 09-19-2016, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheObviousChild

Mind sharing how much you agreed on out the door? I think this will be very useful for others approaching dealerships.

I was roughly quoted at a bit shy of $4,000, but someone else above is getting it for $2,900 out the door. Pretty huge difference.

are you leasing? i see you changing cars every 3 years exactly

dkirsch78 · 09-19-2016, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheObviousChild

Mind sharing how much you agreed on out the door? I think this will be very useful for others approaching dealerships.

I was roughly quoted at a bit shy of $4,000, but someone else above is getting it for $2,900 out the door. Pretty huge difference.

$3670, of which $310 is sales tax. Thank you, Chicago.

TheObviousChild · 09-19-2016, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cmplaya

are you leasing? i see you changing cars every 3 years exactly

Ha, yeah. There was a pattern there for a while, but I broke it with this last one and bought. That said, I'm willing to invest in a mod like this, but $4,000 is hard to justify. If I can keep it closer to $3,000, that just sits better.

Big Nodge · 09-19-2016, 07:33 PM

Keep in mind zero tax on my quote for $2900 installed. Live free or die.

My dealer also agreed to do it for 1 hr labor at $138. I pointed out that the BMW install guide says 1hr for the exhaust with the labor charge for the programming extra, to avoid surprises and because I'm honest. They said they'd do it for 1 hr and figure out the rest on their end.

Goody4 · 09-19-2016, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheObviousChild

Mind sharing how much you agreed on out the door? I think this will be very useful for others approaching dealerships.

$2600 kit
$ 450 CF exhaust tips
$244 (8% sales tax)
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$3294

NOTE: Bottom price does NOT include my dealer's installation charge nor programming charge.

I can update this post September 28, the day I get it installed, to reflect the total "damages".

Just to reiterate, If you're doing this as a Port Installed Accessory, the cost of installation is ZERO!

AustinTrkJunkie · 09-19-2016, 09:19 PM

Does anyone know the impact of this being tied to your VIN? I'm a big believer in upgrading, using, and then removing parts and selling them when I part with the car(which happens every 1-2 years). Done this with everything from intakes and exhaust to coilovers and sway bars on previous cars. But if this is hard-coded to your VIN and can't be reused/sold to another 340 owner, it's a total non-starter for me.

What I'm referencing is part of the OP that talks about the red-envelope and 10-attempts before the code is locked. It's not made clear if that is something another owner/future buyer could reuse or only the original buyer. Anyone know for certain?

dkirsch78 · 09-19-2016, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Nodge

Keep in mind zero tax on my quote for $2900 installed. Live free or die.

My dealer also agreed to do it for 1 hr labor at $138. I pointed out that the BMW install guide says 1hr for the exhaust with the labor charge for the programming extra, to avoid surprises and because I'm honest. They said they'd do it for 1 hr and figure out the rest on their end.

Do you have a link to the install guide by chance?

Hachima · 09-19-2016, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinTrkJunkie

Does anyone know the impact of this being tied to your VIN? I'm a big believer in upgrading, using, and then removing parts and selling them when I part with the car(which happens every 1-2 years). Done this with everything from intakes and exhaust to coilovers and sway bars on previous cars. But if this is hard-coded to your VIN and can't be reused/sold to another 340 owner, it's a total non-starter for me.

What I'm referencing is part of the OP that talks about the red-envelope and 10-attempts before the code is locked. It's not made clear if that is something another owner/future buyer could reuse or only the original buyer. Anyone know for certain?

Its not transferable and I think if it even gets reflashed they have to get Germany to re-upgrade it. A question I've had is if there is a way to get a printout to confirm that the new mapping is actually still there. I'd be afraid of a tech reflashing the ECU for other reasons and wiping out the new mapping.

Big Nodge · 09-20-2016, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dkirsch78

Do you have a link to the install guide by chance?

I don't have a link, I got it from the guys at getbmwparts.com. You could contact them, or if someone wants to host it somewhere for the board I could email it.

dkirsch78 · 09-20-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Nodge

I don't have a link, I got it from the guys at getbmwparts.com. You could contact them, or if someone wants to host it somewhere for the board I could email it.

I just realized it says it on the front page of this post in the details of this kit. Thanks though. I emailed my dealership inquiring about that because my cost is still based on 3.5 hours. Programming of the ECU can't possibly take 2.5 hours, right?

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