[scheherazade]

Originally Posted by Overboost

Hey guys... Isnt this AWD motorsports' thread lol... just kidding... found it funny how u guys went on about beaters when the tread is about Billet turbo internals.

Lol

I think it was the "It's BMW, it has to be expensive" idea that was brought up earlier.

Although, IMO, AWD's kit is not that crazy priced.
Can I imagine it being less? Yes.
Can I imagine it being a LOT less? Not really.

Unless you "know a guy", you'll spend a lot of time getting it meaningfully cheaper.

-scheherazade

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Overboost

Hey guys... Isnt this AWD motorsports' thread lol... just kidding... found it funny how u guys went on about beaters when the tread is about Billet turbo internals.

Ahh that old news lol, that was yesterday. Thats why they have smiley faces with these..., . We are waiting for round 2 so we can see improved numbers. They are already solid, but the meth situation needs to be worked out as well as the new plugs. Should be interesting. Does anyone know when session 2 starts?

[scheherazade]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I dont know where you get work done on your car but even the local shops labor rates around me are 100 and hour. You think the can drop the old clutch and get the new one back in in 2.5 hrs?? Thats some quick work.

You're right.
It'll take longer on a 328.

(I just asked a mechanic friend that does mostly BMW/benz. He said he charges 8 hours for it).

I was thinking it would be like an in EVO, where it swaps out in a jiffy.
(especially the 5-speed, where it practically drops out)

-scheherazade

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by scheherazade

You're right.
It'll take longer on a 328.

(I just asked a mechanic friend that does mostly BMW/benz. He said he charges 8 hours for it).

I was thinking it would be like an in EVO, where it swaps out in a jiffy.
(especially the 5-speed, where it practically drops out)

-scheherazade

yup, it cost me nearly $1000. That was a lot when I was 17-18. Nearly killed all of my summer money that I was gonna spend on mods. I was pissed, lol and I sold that damn car 50k miles later, I spent 15000(including purchase) atleast, for the 2.5 years I owned the car. I could have bought a used m3 for that back then!

[itsbrokeagain]

Im interested in seeing the results for round two. billet wheel with forge wastegates sounds pretty trick. No more actuator issues.

I cant wait to get my hands on a set for install, and compare them to the EPL units.

[huyner328]

While this discussion on beater maintenance is quite exhilarating.... I would also like to see how all these turbo upgrades differ in builds between EPL, RB and AWD.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by huyner328

While this discussion on beater maintenance is quite exhilarating.... I would also like to see how all these turbo upgrades differ in builds between EPL, RB and AWD.

+1 for comparing all of the specs...size, cost, power...etc. Just like the tunes. I would actually chip in a couple dollars on paypal if a TRUELY educated person put this together.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Penn999

+1 for comparing all of the specs...size, cost, power...etc. Just like the tunes. I would actually chip in a couple dollars on paypal if a TRUELY educated person put this together.

EPL like ours is a stock frame billet wheel setup.. The RB is a larger frame turbo using older cast wheel technology.. Its a lot of work to do this testing but if someone was able to do it i would be all for it..

Mike

[VA757bmw]

Originally Posted by import36

i'm just happy to see more options come to the table....nice work AWD!

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

EPL like ours is a stock frame billet wheel setup.. The RB is a larger frame turbo using older cast wheel technology.. Its a lot of work to do this testing but if someone was able to do it i would be all for it..

Mike

I would think that it would be relatively easy to compile and organize the info. The hard part would be making sure that manipulation of numbers and baselines werent messed with to favor one over the other. that would be tricky....unbiased opions are hard to find today.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I would think that it would be relatively easy to compile and organize the info. The hard part would be making sure that manipulation of numbers and baselines werent messed with to favor one over the other. that would be tricky....unbiased opions are hard to find today.

Easy to install 3 different sets of turbos and pray for the same conditions on all 3 different test days is not easy.. this install alone is not easy... then finding time to get it all done back to back is tough as well..

Mike

[scheherazade]

You could do a "bring your best" test at a chosen dyno somewhere.

Eg. meet up in chicago or wherever is closest to all, and dyno at the same place on the same day.

But, I doubt people would want that.
Someone would be the clear "winner" (even if by 2hp), and everyone else would have a hard time after that.
Given more than two participants, odds are, you're NOT the one that will stand to benefit.

-scheherazade

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by scheherazade

You could do a "bring your best" test at a chosen dyno somewhere.

Eg. meet up in chicago or wherever is closest to all, and dyno at the same place on the same day.

But, I doubt people would want that.
Someone would be the clear "winner" (even if by 2hp), and everyone else would have a hard time after that.
Given more than two participants, odds are, you're NOT the one that will stand to benefit.

-scheherazade

Wouldnt bother me at all, im confident in my product.. Even it a different product that costs 1500 more makes more power great.. there is a product for everyones budget and goals.. Every car is different though so how would you plan to test accurately what is best with 3 different cars?? thats not the right way to test.. the only way to test is baseline 1 car on 1 dyno and install 3 turbos and tune each and hope the weather has changed by the time testing is done..

Mike

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Easy to install 3 different sets of turbos and pray for the same conditions on all 3 different test days is not easy.. this install alone is not easy... then finding time to get it all done back to back is tough as well..

Mike

Im not suggesting anyone do that. I am talking about compiling previous dynos and specs. With given mods, correction factor, dyno type, and a baseline. That wouldnt be hard as most of the info is already on the web. The cost would be really nice to compare as well. Im not saying it would be perfect, just as the tune comparison is not perfect, but it would be nice to reference before making probably the most expensive upgrade for our car.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

EPL like ours is a stock frame billet wheel setup.. The RB is a larger frame turbo using older cast wheel technology.. Its a lot of work to do this testing but if someone was able to do it i would be all for it..

Mike

So what you're saying is your setup will spool a bit faster but RB will provide a bit more power (CFM)

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by scheherazade

Sachs has one for $240.
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...2K7020601.html

Then spend a day of your weekend on it.
Or drop another $250 at a small neighborhood shop if you're too busy.

-scheherazade

$250 clutch installs? Yea RIGHT?! Where, sign me up.

[dzenno]

$350 here come up to Canada...it's REALLY easy once you've done it once..3hrs tops

[Slidewayz]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Wouldnt bother me at all, im confident in my product.. Even it a different product that costs 1500 more makes more power great.. there is a product for everyones budget and goals.. Every car is different though so how would you plan to test accurately what is best with 3 different cars?? thats not the right way to test.. the only way to test is baseline 1 car on 1 dyno and install 3 turbos and tune each and hope the weather has changed by the time testing is done..

Mike

Hey Mike, congrats on the great work you've done. Since I'm 3,000+ miles away from you, I guess I can't ask you to do this for me.

How long do you think it would take to swap out the turbos if you've got a good shop with the right tools and a lift?

Do you have to unbolt the engine mounts and jack up the engine to get to the turbos ?

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

$250 clutch installs? Yea RIGHT?! Where, sign me up.

this was a side topic accusation about my old 96 328is. not for this car, and he corrected himself a couple posts later.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by dzenno

$350 here come up to Canada...it's REALLY easy once you've done it once..3hrs tops

Cost me more money to get to canadia

Originally Posted by Penn999

this was a side topic accusation about my old 96 328is. not for this car, and he corrected himself a couple posts later.

My last car lasted 60K with a aftermarket supercharger and nitrous.

Im only at 15K on this car, so I should not have to worry about clutch anytime soon! Driver mod

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by scheherazade

You're right.
It'll take longer on a 328.

(I just asked a mechanic friend that does mostly BMW/benz. He said he charges 8 hours for it).

I was thinking it would be like an in EVO, where it swaps out in a jiffy.
(especially the 5-speed, where it practically drops out)

-scheherazade

Evo swaps out in a Jiffy?? LOL Thats 1 of the worst Transmissions jobs to have to do.. If your GOOD at it the job takes 5-6 hours in and out.. And thats after we have done 200-300 of them probably..

Mike

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by dzenno

So what you're saying is your setup will spool a bit faster but RB will provide a bit more power (CFM)

Our setup HAS to spool faster.. its billet wheel, Smaller inducer, Small shaft and lightweight rotating assembly all in stock housings.. The RB must produce more power but which will have the fatter powerband i honestly dont know at this point..

Let me give you a quick example from EXPERIENCE with stock frame turbos.. a T3 GT35r turbo evo making 500whp will gets its ass whipped by a 450whp Stock appearing turbo evo.. ALL DAY EVERY DAY.. This is our same goal with the 335.. You cant turn 9k RPM with the 335.. So the goal is to have the FATTEST powerband you can from 4-7k RPM.. Well see how it goes when we complete testing..

Mike