[Terry335]

Originally Posted by jag007

I would like to see Shiv answer the question directly. This is interesting.

It's like one of those "chose your own adventures" books.

"Beyond the enclosure, the Interceptor and PROcede have common origins but differ substantially in terms of functionality and application support."

So, yes they are the same. Why is he hiding it? Maybe Haltech makes software that lets you adjust maps on your own? Maybe any Haltech dealer in the US can start buying-reselling these and he's afraid of the competition? I just don't see the logic for making it so hard to figure out...

[Sparky66]

Why the spanish inquisition about the who makes the ProCede parts.
Who gives a F@#K where it comes from - its' the programming and application use that counts. I can sell you two identical laptops - one guy can design a system to control robotics and automation while other is still learning what the "Start" button does

"It's not the tools that build a house, it's tradesman".
Enough of all this "Shiv" bashing, you certainly don't deserve his time or his respect.

Time out.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Why is he hiding it? Maybe Haltech makes software that lets you adjust maps on your own? Maybe any Haltech dealer in the US can start buying-reselling these and he's afraid of the competition? I just don't see the logic for making it so hard to figure out...

Looks like he answered it.

In any event, businesses often keep secrets from competitors. In the dog-eat-dog world of a highly competitive business, that's the rule and not the exception. If Shiv is really trying to keep a secret, I guess he can't tell even you.

[fanman]

I agree, so what ? If the functionality is substantially different hell you can say the Xede & Procede are "similar" but the functionality is "substantially different. (i.e. better.)" I don't understand Terry's play on words, or need to interrogate Shiv at every turn.

Frankly, it's pretty tiresome and I commend Shiv for his patience. It's been pretty obvious in the past few months that this kid has a grudge or vendetta against Vishnu Tuning for some reason. As such it seems every thread he becomes involved in becomes a pissing contest, and useless.

I have no skin in the game (yet). I know AA does fine work, but Vishnu Tuning is great too. Commend both, keep our eyes out for what they do, and stop bashing one side. Simple enough.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Looks like he answered it.

In any event, businesses often keep secrets from competitors. In the dog-eat-dog world of a highly competitive business, that's the rule and not the exception. If Shiv is really trying to keep a secret, I guess he can't tell even you.

I guess, but the forum is about the free exchange of ideas and information.

[PresaMat]

Terry335,
You went with AA. Thats cool everyone has a choice. Now that you have your own product what does it matter about others? I mean come on why not spend half the time you do in shivs buisness learning about what you have?

Also you seem to be calling out a lot of ProCEDE people. Ill probably be driving to California this summer. Why dont we line up? Prove how the XEDE will "kill the procede".

Mat

[Sparky66]

Originally Posted by Terry335

It's like one of those "chose your own adventures" books.

"Beyond the enclosure, the Interceptor and PROcede have common origins but differ substantially in terms of functionality and application support."

So, yes they are the same. Why is he hiding it? Maybe Haltech makes software that lets you adjust maps on your own? Maybe any Haltech dealer in the US can start buying-reselling these and he's afraid of the competition? I just don't see the logic for making it so hard to figure out...

For starters Haltech is a Sydney based company in Australia that do sell packages with relevant software but as such do not have any application or programming specifically for the BMW 355.
Secondly as stated previously mapping fuel charts is not a backyard operation and integrating all the different parameters and management systems tied to a twin turbo engine does take certain knowledge and experience. If you think the average joe will be able to programme his own piggyback ECU and risk destroying his 45k BMW ,you're a dreamer.

[DIRKD]

Shiv has not bashed anyone's product or anyone

I don't know what forum you have been reading.
His product is probably the best out there but his business ethic needs some work.

[Sparky66]

Originally Posted by DIRKD

I don't know what forum you have been reading.
His product is probably the best out there but his business ethic needs some work.

Please explain, in what way have his business ethics been substandard.
Could you educate us all on what secret he is hiding so we can form our own opinion. Maybe burn him at the stake -

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Sparky66

For starters Haltech is a Sydney based company in Australia that do sell packages with relevant software but as such do not have any application or programming specifically for the BMW 355.
Secondly as stated previously mapping fuel charts is not a backyard operation and integrating all the different parameters and management systems tied to a twin turbo engine does take certain knowledge and experience. If you think the average joe will be able to programme his own piggyback ECU and risk destroying his 45k BMW ,you're a dreamer.

Most people wouldn't do it on their own, but there are plenty of speed shops around the US that do this kind of thing. Just like the Xede, any shop can buy one and develop the maps. The Haltech box sells for around $750 so there is money to be made if a shop wants to do this.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Terry335

I guess, but the forum is about the free exchange of ideas and information.

Come on Terry, now you're just being silly.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke II

I am getting confused. I have a question for you Shiv to clear up some of the info on the board.

Are you using a Haltech Interceptor?

I asked that, and shiv replied.. "go ahead and buy one, it wont work"

Shiv will not disclose who made the PROcede for him... I tried this before, and got totally flamed, had all kinds of lies and attacks thrown at me... just for asking....
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55375 (sorry, I was in a bad mood that day, my fuel pump had recently died)

I just decided to give up, and figure the man has his right to privacy... its not worth the argument, my guess is that he now has an agreement with haltech for a special version exclusive to him, similar to how it was with the XEDE

[homerunball]

Originally Posted by Sparky66

Please explain, in what way have his business ethics been substandard.
Could you educate us all on what secret he is hiding so we can form our own opinion. Maybe burn him at the stake -

Reading through pages of this thread has shown nothing more than a bunch unsubstantiated fanboy rants as well as the ugly side of otherwise respectible businesses. (a lot of good stuff, good info, and learning too as always) This thread has also displayed the unprofessionalism of both companies; AA and Vishnu.

Not everyone on this forum is a mid 20's horsepower freak that will go along with companies "bashing" on other companies. If a laymen cannot come to a reasonable understanding of your product from your posts, then you have not done your job (if financial success is one of your goals). Also, anytime a respectable organization denounces another without impartial and publicly published evidence, it is speculation and shows poorly in your business ethics.

Also, even if you have to answer the same question 10 times, you should in a patient non condescending way. These useless smily faces and "read post #???" comments do not coincide with professional and personable customer service. Also, any self respecting company will not take sides in a public discussion; especially against even 1 potential customer. This shows that your organization is selective in quality when providing your services and also your customer service is dependant on factors outside of the purchase agreement.

One more thing about the fanboy rants. They are useless!!! If you have Procede, please provide objective comments about your experience and stop acting like you have some sort of vested interest in Vishnu. With all due respect, saying Shiv is a "top notch guy" and "he knows his shit" and the like is absolutely useless. It will not waver a customer one way or the other.

Lets keep the discussion to what it can do, how it does it better and compare features objectively.

[Jean@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

I asked that, and shiv replied.. "go ahead and buy one, it wont work"

Shiv will not disclose who made the PROcede for him... I tried this before, and got totally flamed, had all kinds of lies and attacks thrown at me... just for asking...

__________________________________________________ ___________________

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I'm confused as well.

Why does that matter?

Seriously... why dont you purchase both and see if they are the same

-shiv

Question:

Originally Posted by LOK11atXEDE

I don’t propose to know what Vishnu’s primary requirements are. The Vishnu PROcede is, unless I'm very, very mistaken (and I have been doing this for more than a few years now) a Haltech Interceptor.

Answer:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Incorrect. But that's cool.

Regards,
shiv

Question:

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

http://www.haltech.com/interceptor.htm
sells for ~ $845 USD

Answer:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It wont work on the 335i. I encourage you to try it.

Then this:

[Sparky66]

Originally Posted by homerunball

Reading through pages of this thread has shown nothing more than a bunch unsubstantiated fanboy rants as well as the ugly side of otherwise respectible businesses. (a lot of good stuff, good info, and learning too as always) This thread has also displayed the unprofessionalism of both companies; AA and Vishnu.

Not everyone on this forum is a mid 20's horsepower freak that will go along with companies "bashing" on other companies. If a laymen cannot come to a reasonable understanding of your product from your posts, then you have not done your job (if financial success is one of your goals). Also, anytime a respectable organization denounces another without impartial and publicly published evidence, it is speculation and shows poorly in your business ethics.

Also, even if you have to answer the same question 10 times, you should in a patient non condescending way. These useless smily faces and "read post #???" comments do not coincide with professional and personable customer service. Also, any self respecting company will not take sides in a public discussion; especially against even 1 potential customer. This shows that your organization is selective in quality when providing your services and also your customer service is dependant on factors outside of the purchase agreement.

One more thing about the fanboy rants. They are useless!!! If you have Procede, please provide objective comments about your experience and stop acting like you have some sort of vested interest in Vishnu. With all due respect, saying Shiv is a "top notch guy" and "he knows his shit" and the like is absolutely useless. It will not waver a customer one way or the other.

Lets keep the discussion to what it can do, how it does it better and compare features objectively.

I'm don't have any vested interest in either party neither am I a "mid 20's horsepower freak or Fanboy"- just stating the facts.
If Vishnu takes a firm stance and position to protect its' business dealings, why should they have to disclose who their supplier is, let alone how they programs their ECU's. Maybe Shiv should give us his pin to his bank accounts- now that would help. He has tried to answer as many questions as possible in numerous threads and has many happy customers to boot, pre 355 and pro.
To be honest ,under the circumstances, he has handled the barrage of crap that has been hurled his way in a very eloquent manner - but certain parties arrogantly persist in asking questions that he doesn't feel compelled to answer. Is it that hard for some people fathom.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke II

Then this:

Once a liar, always a liar.
Shiv for lying.

for your work.

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Once a liar, always a liar.
Shiv for lying.

for your work.

I'm sure shiv can't reply right now, he's too busy getting all his procede orders shipped. Apparently AA has a little more time on their hands.

[tek818]

Terry: so why did you buy the AA xede package rather than a blank xede unit?

[ArmyBimmerDude]

If AA is really so great, then why have they spent so much time attacking Shiv? And where did all of these AA Xede fanboys come from?

Shiv's been here since day 1. Where was Active Autowerke back then? Come on hypocrites, where were they? Waiting for someone to do all the work so they could take it and resell it under their name. They seem 2nd rate to me and should have a store on ebay instead of being a vendor on this forum.

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Once a liar, always a liar.
Shiv for lying.

Take a PC laptop and a PC desktop and open MS Word or Excel: you will have exactly the same screenshot, with two very different hardwares.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by AB Tek 818

Terry: so why did you buy the AA xede package rather than a blank xede unit?

Because for all his talk about buying a blank unit and putting software/tuning map on it, he lacks the knowledge and skill to actually do that.

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Because for all his talk about buying a blank unit and putting software/tuning map on it, he lacks the knowledge and skill to actually do that.

Actually, he is more into "borrowing" software/tuning maps.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58131